Cover-up of Comet ISON information continues - why?

reply to post by eriktheawful


That was an excellent post and a great example!. Nice work.

reply to post by charlyv


Just like how NASA cant explain the comet with the six tails?

reply to post by goou111


What doom ?? It seems you are the one falling for things, again.

They broadcast doom on the media about all of those ones, and yet this one here, which is by FAR the most interesting ever to grace our solar system, is getting the bare minimum treatment.

THE ONLY reason it is not getting a total blackout is because we will see it with our naked eyes, but other than that it is HIGHLY buried.

Every agency out there, would NORMALLY be going haywire over this , but not this time with the strangest acting body ever observed in our solar system in modern history?

The same controllers who ALWAYS hide the real cool stuff are at work again, making it incredibly hard for us all.

reply to post by eriktheawful


Gotta love the believers of the "this is the best we can do" theories that are ever abounding this planet.

If what you say is true, they are beyond inept.

They are truly useless.

And certainly a small child would design multiple capabilities like that exist in say, my smartphone.

Give me a break dude.

And please do not try to tell us that you or anyone else in the public actually knows what equipment exists, where it is and how it all works.

Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by charlyv

 

Just like how NASA cant explain the comet with the six tails?

Oh, but they can,Kinda... It is a fractured asteroid with locked up water. How it fractured, and the nature of why it is showing itself this way is still up for analysis. The solar plasma from past CME's may have something to do with it, but the spectra shows water vapor crystals and other gasses typical to comets.

Nothing like this has ever been observed before, and we got to see it when they first did, so you are not going to get a detailed and specific answer until they finish their analysis, along with most other astrophysicists in the world.

reply to post by ParasuvO

What he said and displayed was scientifically spot-on. In order to have an opinion on it, back up why you think that what was presented is NOT true.

Interesting discussion, lots of different viewpoints represented here. Now, let's introduce another ISON element - this is from Whitley Strieber's site:

ISON AND CROP CIRCLES

www.unknowncountry.com...

Looks like some crop circle makers thought ISON was significant. The speculations about what all the different crop circle interpretations add up to are listed at the end: the comet may break into pieces while going around the sun; it may slow down due to interactions with the sun and its orbit may become elliptical instead of hyperbolic; ISON's appearance may simply be a signal for some other major event like gravity waves coming from the galactic center; or ISON may be something other than a comet.

Now, is any of this possible? I don't know, really...has *any* crop circle actually predicted anything accurately?? Still, I found it interesting and worth discussion here.

As for my personal observations about ISON? Being a follower of SuspiciousObservers on U-Tube (who I think is on the level), I think the only real potential for some effects upon Earth is possible electrical interaction with the Sun; mainly, that during the passage of the comet around the Sun there could be a massive CME induced. Even then, it would most likely not be in the direction of the Earth.

One other thing I have only seen mentioned briefly here, though, is the potential for there to be some organic life present in the dust of the comet which we will encounter in January. Comets have been linked to such occurrences in the past:

RED RAIN IN INDIA

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Personally, I believe these two scenarios are the most likely to happen...and yet, the chances of either thing occurring still seem impossibly remote to me.

It basically boils down to this:

MSM is in the business to sell news. Even though many of us rarely pay for news to access MSM websites, they still get paid by advertisers, etc.

That means they need to attract readers. How to do that? Why by having sensational news to put out.

When C/2012 S1 was first discovered, all the speculation about it being brighter than the moon, etc, was sensational news to be sold by the MSM. That speculation would attract readers. But even if the predictions of ISON being as bright as the moon, etc, etc, had panned out, there is no way in the world the MSM was going to spend over a year peddling that news. It does not capture the attention of the average Joe on the street. Doesn't mater how much some of us may find any tid bit of news about ISON interesting, we are in a vast minority.

Government Shutdowns, Chemical Attacks in Syria, American Embassies being attacked, ObamaCare.....THOSE are the news articles that sell news.

Not that ISON is green looking. Not that ISON looked strange in a Hubble image. John Doe on the street could really care less about C/2012 S1. He's more worried about how he just got a letter in the mail about his health insurance being cancelled. He's more interested in how a Government Shutdown is going to affect him.

He's no worried about a comet, because comets come and go, not really affecting anything, except maybe there is a pretty picture on the news of it.

Now, if ISON were headed dangerously close to Earth, then yes, MSM would be screaming their heads off (fear sells news).

As for NASA/JPL keeping quiet: not much for them to say on C/2012 S1. It looks like it's not going to be the sensational thing that it was origianlly predicted. They just went through a government shutdown, and as it is have a very small budget to work with as it is. Exactly what makes ISON a priority?

Nothing, that's what.

NASA/JPL and other space agencies have much more interesting and ambitious projects. That's where they concentrate on, and leave the passing of C/2012 S1 to observatonal astronomers (Universities, observatories, etc) and amateur astronomers.

Anyone that feels it should be more of a priority: great for you! Please donate a few millions dollars to help with doing science in deep space please!

C/2012 S1 ISON will head to the sun.....IF it survives it's sundive, then we might get a show (but no where as good as the one originally predicted.). I'll be able to take some pretty pictures with my camera and through my telescope here at home.

Then it will slowly fade away and disappear from our skies and that will be pretty much the end of that.

All the "doom sayers", all the "fear mongers" , and all the people trying to sensationalize ISON (through fear, worry, "OMG! Dig yer bunkers!") are going to be sadly disappointed (about on par with 2012, Y2K and Nibiru) over next few months.

Until they find a new comet to scream about.....

reply to post by eriktheawful


erik, So why is it that you keep on showing all these other close ups of Comets or Asteroids in every single C/ 2012 S1 (ISON) thread? Where are the close up images of ISON from last summer, Spring and Winter?

Did NASA'S Comet Hunting Deep Impact Probe not capture anything prior to September 20th 2013, cause ISON was discovered back on September 21st 2012? I mean, Do you really believe such nonsense if that is in fact the case? Someone is lying to the herds.

Nasa's Deep Impact Comet Hunting Probe is Dead in Space

Hopefully you understand that I respect your posts inside ATS Space Exploration, cause I really do. However with that being said, where are the images of ISON that they surely would have captured since it was discovered last year on September 21st 2012? Are you kidding me, absolutely nothing concerning ISON?

Ok then, Let's here why not now? ~$heopleNation

reply to post by charlyv

charlyv
If you stay away from the fringe websites and dubious discussion boards on pseudo-astronomy, and stick with NASA/JPL, Space.com, and interviews with bonafide astrophysicists and astronomers.... You will find that ISON is just a normal comet that is probably not going to be the "Comet of the Century" like originally speculated.

It is going to pass real close to the Sun, as comets go, at perihelion. After that, it will brighten up, but the real experts are now saying it will be visible with the naked eye, but certainly not as bright as expected.

It is really the public that causes the MSM to catch fire on a comet, and the public is not seeing it, for the most part.
There will be more than enough coverage and spectacular images once the general public actually starts noticing it in the sky, but people are disappointed right now, and the real demand for updates has vastly diminished. Give it some time.

edit on 10-11-2013 by charlyv because: spelling , where caught

Good post. I follow news about ISON because I often visit NASA/JPL, Space.com etc. I noticed a drop off in stories about ISON from those sources and very little mention in the main news. I know that ISON is not a 'normal' comet because respected sites such as Bruce Gary's have discussed numerous oddities about ISON. These have generally received no mention on the NASA etc sites. That became a little annoying, because anomalies are interesting.

I happened to have the opportunity to watch NHK evening news a while back and there was a lengthy story about ISON, as I describe above. Yet nothing, absolutely zilch on western news channels so far as I am aware. During the same two day period there were numerous stories instead about that solar eclipse. Corporate TV channels tend to run their stories in tandem, they draw from the same info wells and are driven largely by the same interests to preserve the status quo etc. So why was there not a similar interest in the west at least in ISON during the same period, when it passed Mars?

Some posters have pointed out interest will be there when something happens, like when we get to see the tail with our very own eyes. Yes that is true. One of the prime functions of TV news is to provide info that calms the masses, without necessarily explaining to them anything substantial at all.

I appreciate your position and your post. There has been more than enough rantings because I dared accuse MSM of a coverup. It isn't like they don't cover news up now is it? I have already mentioned the ongoing catastrophe of Fukushima Dai-ichi. Several posters think that even a discussion of ISON constitutes 'doom porn', well the same could be said about any discussion of recent developments in Syria. What, we should here at ATS limit our discussion to subjects like Aliens and the afterlife, and leave out discussions about anything that might threaten the status quo?

My position is there appears to be a blanket thrown over any information coming out about ISON, a comet with definite anomalies - not imaginary - but evidence supported oddities. This is a news story that isn't and I am asking why? That is it. Interesting how persistent and hysterical many of the posters who ridicule this topic are becoming on this thread. Glad I inserted the warning on the first page - see the orange. There you go people. Remember the inversion theory.

I just want to ask this question to all of the good folks here on ATS................

Does anyone here but me find it peculiar that C/ 2012 S1 (ISON) was first discovered on September 21st 2012, and then NASA's Deep Impact Comet Hunting Probe supposedly all of sudden dies on September 20th 2013 of this year, which is one year later? I mean really, come on now?

Read Between The Lies people. ~$heopleNation

You do know that the US shutdown did not affect the space agencies in other countries right?

You do know other countries exist yeah?

reply to post by SheopleNation


I know what you're saying. Remember how WISE running out of coolant was proof that Elenin was going to kill us all? Then we all died.

reply to post by SheopleNation


You understand how big space is, yes? And you understand that not every probe or space craft that NASA or other countries have out in space, are somehow always close to some new object that is discovered, yes?

let me give you and example:

Let us roll the Earth out flat, and say that the surface area of the Earth is a scale model of our solar system.

Now, let us say that you are the Deep Impact spacecraft, and I send you to San Diego, California to take a picture of a building there (the building will be 9P/Temple, the comet that DI was sent to). Once you are done there, I'm going to send you to New York City to study comet Hartley. Your speed? you must walk, because that is as fast as you can go, and you have to cover that 3,000 miles on foot.

Once there, sometime later, astronomers discover a new comet.......and it's over in China, headed towards you.

Obviously, even if you could walk on water, how long would it take you to walk from NYC to, oh say, half way across the Pacific ocean?

How about instead, we plan to send you a shorter distance, but on a course that will intercept that comet? Makes more sense right? But we'll have to wait until the time is right for you to get there based upon your speed and the comet's speed. But after we waited, something is wrong with you (you broke your leg or something, etc), so now we can't send you like we wanted too.

Still, we'll use our camera to take a picture. Your camera that was designed for close up work, not hooked up to a huge telescope. What kind of picture will you get when you try to take a picture of something from 3,000 miles away?

Now do you understand why I post what I do? It's like too many people just can not seem to wrap their heads around the vast distances of space, or understand the limitations of what cameras, telescopes and telephoto lenses can do (not saying you don't).

If a person says to me: "Why can't they just aim a space probe with it's camera at ISON and take a really good picture of it?"
My response would be: take your camera outside and take a picture of the moon.

The moon is just over 2000 miles wide, and only 250,000 miles away. Yet if you step outside with a 35mm camera with a 50mm lens, and snap a picture, you're going to see just a white dot in your picture. In order to get a better picture, you need to zoom in, and if you want to see really good detail, you'd better have a 210mm lens or better. That's because a 2000 mile wide object, 250,000 miles away, only covers 1/2 a degree in the sky, which is 180 degrees from horizon to horizon.

now, try to image a something only 3 miles wide, and make it tens of millions of miles away.

For some reason, way too many people here on ATS just can not seem to wrap their heads around that, and think instead, that a probe like DI should of been able to snap pictures with as much detail as the LROC does of the moon.......from tens of millions of miles away.

That's why I keep posting it: because people on here just don't seem to understand how optics work (or how big space is, and how small things in space are).

reply to post by Varhaard


I find it interesting that u talk about the possibility of microbe life on, in the ice of ison, because another rumor has it that this has happened in the past before on earth when a comet like this passes by and releases these microbes or whatever in the air, then people start to get sick. I wonder if true and has it happened every time comets go by or just when we go thru it's debris field? The other rumor was that this ison may cause the sun to flare up again towards earth and cause a blackout. We have been lucky so far as to a direct hit of suns blasts. Question, when power went out and fried the electrical grid system way back, was there ever a comet that was spotted crossing the sky?

reply to post by 0bserver1

0bserver1
If this comet would be dangerous we never had heard of its existence in the first place I guess.
Just like the one hitting Russia this January.

The real threat also described in this thread is fukashima that's a real silent kill shot if yiu ask me..

edit on 0b11America/ChicagoSun, 10 Nov 2013 17:56:11 -0600vAmerica/ChicagoSun, 10 Nov 2013 17:56:11 -06001 by 0bserver1 because: (no reason given)

We heard about it from observers in Russia. Cosmological entities such as comets are largely outside the control of humankind me thinks. We hear about them when someone sees them and provides the evidence they exist. Only then do we usually see TPTB providing us with the information through MSM and government agencies THEY want us to know - shape out perceptions to fit the status quo. The main reason is to enable our economic system to keep on keeping on, for us to continue grazing through supermarket aisle and checkouts online and downtown.

That was a meteor in Russia. We certainly don't want no comet bowling down on us. And I am not suggesting anything like that is going to happen BTW.

The relationship between the cover-up of Fukushima and ISON that I am suggesting is nothing directly to do with any kill shot. It is simply an outcome of the need of the elites in each country to keep us calm and spending our money. That is all. The potential risk we face by not having access to what I surmise is much more information than we are getting is that yes we will not be prepared for the consequences of not taking action (what ever action available to us) when we had the chance. It is in the best interests of the elites to preserve the status quo, it is not in our interest at all. Are you paying attention to what is happening to the capitalist system? The global economy has been in a tailspin, since 2008 and the GFC. The global financial system is bust. And yet, the ruling elite (the 1% at the top of the wealth pyramid) have never made so much profit then they have in the last ten years, EVER! The only reason they are able to maintain their parasitic privileged position is to stay on the backs of all of us. The only reason we are all suffering this massive economic collapse with loss of jobs and ever more draconian austerity measures is because they, the elite, can no long profit from us making things, now they must extract profit directly from us by taking a way each and every individual right we have, including our right to work. They do not want Eqyptian style revolutions breaking out everywhere, and they certainly do not want us not showing up to work tomorrow because we have realised that they do not care about us at all - and that is why the catastrophe that is Fukushima is allowed to go on and on and on. And why ISON is being covered up.

ISON may not be a direct harbinger of doom from out of space - I am most definitely not saying it is. What I am saying is that there is a cover up of ISON. It may well be to do with the evidence it can give all of us that our current view of a comets as gas, ice, dust and rock is redundant. That explanation has been around since the 1930s! I am saying look to the ELectric Universe Theory. See the video I posted in the OP. Watch what happens when ISON passes Mercury. We may see a similar electrical interaction as that observed by many to have taken place when it passed Mars. Then of course it will pass us and that is relevant to for the same reason.

Electricity may be available to all of us from all around us. In other words ISON may show us that energy may indeed be free. That would undermine the present economic system. Can you see the kind of connection between a coverup of Fukushima and ISON that I am suggesting?

Rave over. Back to comets.

Maybe N.A.S.A deep impact got penetrated by ison and the satelight couldn't handle it and then got short circut.Who knows
what all happened out there. Sounds like a crime scene anyways. Maybe the sat. got impacted itself and lost com. Maybe it got fried due to the electrical disturbance of penetration. Or maybe it just stopped working due to malfunction. Maybe N.A.S.A just shut it off.

reply to post by ParasuvO


I just starred you. One for each post.

You got it!!!

Two thumbs up.

reply to post by theclarificator55555


No followup/answer to my legitimate question?

To TallOne: Recently NASA discovered an "unique" not ever seen "asteroid" with 6 tails. I just wonder if this could be part also of Ison electric interaction. To clarify my view I need at least to know if this 6 tail object is near the comet Ison path or no, first. Does you have any data that point me on that direction? Thanks.

Here is a curious question. Why would they name the sat DEEP IMPACT? Unless they thought it would hit somthing, so they sent out a probe to take a closer looksee. I would like to know what happened to it just before the blackout.