There Are Two Types Of Christians, Which One Are You?

HanzHenry
to me, a real Christian, is someone who does not participate in evil.

Bank tellers, munitions factory worker, etc.. not something a true Christian would do.

Imagine trying to explain how personally profiting off of evil was ok because "gotta feed the family"

So munitions are evil? A bullet is a tool and in an of itself is neutral like any weapon. It can be used for either good or evil. The bullet that was used to kill commit a murder could just as easily have been used to fill the cooking pot.

Would a hammer maker be evil since people have used hammer to club people to death? Somehow, I doubt it.

So when we get into the question of what constitutes good and evil, it can get very subjective. One person's good can be another's evil.

Now, clearly there are some things that are always evil or sinful. "Thou shalt not murder ..." but I don't recall Christ getting into a great amount of depth beyond that.

EnochWasRight
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Go back further to Barnabas The two Spirits are outlined. All of us possess the traits of mixed seed and we each have our Esau to overcome.

See this Thread: Symbolism in the Show Lost

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I went as far back as Peter and Paul, and Barnabas was at the same time they were

So you are saying you belong to Barnabas? LOL

Ok so you believe in God, just the way that Barnabas taught about God. But what does it do for you today? Can you tell me the practical application of the Barnabas verses?

Christianity should be practical in all areas of our lives.

Sometime I do not understand why we would want to place everything into boxes?
I'm a Christian and baptized a few years ago , but to my astonishment I had to choose what Christian religion to follow..

But I'm battling why I would reject any other religion that believes in God and peace with each other like Protestants catholics Muslim Buddha and what other religions there are.. If they represents peace and stability among humans I will praise that because we are human all of us here are and I don't want to place good people in boxes I guess...

ketsuko

HanzHenry
to me, a real Christian, is someone who does not participate in evil.

Bank tellers, munitions factory worker, etc.. not something a true Christian would do.

Imagine trying to explain how personally profiting off of evil was ok because "gotta feed the family"

So munitions are evil? A bullet is a tool and in an of itself is neutral like any weapon. It can be used for either good or evil. The bullet that was used to kill commit a murder could just as easily have been used to fill the cooking pot.

Would a hammer maker be evil since people have used hammer to club people to death? Somehow, I doubt it.

So when we get into the question of what constitutes good and evil, it can get very subjective. One person's good can be another's evil.

Now, clearly there are some things that are always evil or sinful. "Thou shalt not murder ..." but I don't recall Christ getting into a great amount of depth beyond that.

I would go a step further and Mention Christ told his followers to carry swords, at a time that would of been illegal for them to do under roman rule.

Whats the modern sword.

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I don't have a problem with it either.

I think the big problem is the Christianity is a faith that believes in salvation through belief. Most other religions, excepting Islam perhaps, seem to be religions that focus on salvation through works. What this means is that most others believe that you can earn your way into Heaven through good works here on Earth, but we, and muslims, believe that the only way is through belief first and all else second.

You can see where this would breed resentment in others. It even breeds resentment between sects where there is disagreement on the "proper" way to believe.

benrl

ketsuko

HanzHenry
to me, a real Christian, is someone who does not participate in evil.

Bank tellers, munitions factory worker, etc.. not something a true Christian would do.

Imagine trying to explain how personally profiting off of evil was ok because "gotta feed the family"

So munitions are evil? A bullet is a tool and in an of itself is neutral like any weapon. It can be used for either good or evil. The bullet that was used to kill commit a murder could just as easily have been used to fill the cooking pot.

Would a hammer maker be evil since people have used hammer to club people to death? Somehow, I doubt it.

So when we get into the question of what constitutes good and evil, it can get very subjective. One person's good can be another's evil.

Now, clearly there are some things that are always evil or sinful. "Thou shalt not murder ..." but I don't recall Christ getting into a great amount of depth beyond that.

I would go a step further and Mention Christ told his followers to carry swords, at a time that would of been illegal for them to do under roman rule.

Whats the modern sword.

yep, Christians and weapons for killing gotta love it! the irony! completely lost on you 2!

so, how many people did Jesus kill? I am sure he had to be one tough dude right? I mean there are Dozens of stories where jesus chose to kill someone over not doing such.
Which guy that Jesus killed do you think deserved it most, Yep the disciples were all known as hitmen weren't they?

benrl

ketsuko

HanzHenry
to me, a real Christian, is someone who does not participate in evil.

Bank tellers, munitions factory worker, etc.. not something a true Christian would do.

Imagine trying to explain how personally profiting off of evil was ok because "gotta feed the family"

So munitions are evil? A bullet is a tool and in an of itself is neutral like any weapon. It can be used for either good or evil. The bullet that was used to kill commit a murder could just as easily have been used to fill the cooking pot.

Would a hammer maker be evil since people have used hammer to club people to death? Somehow, I doubt it.

So when we get into the question of what constitutes good and evil, it can get very subjective. One person's good can be another's evil.

Now, clearly there are some things that are always evil or sinful. "Thou shalt not murder ..." but I don't recall Christ getting into a great amount of depth beyond that.

I would go a step further and Mention Christ told his followers to carry swords, at a time that would of been illegal for them to do under roman rule.

Whats the modern sword.

I think those swords are not physical, because everyone who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. And Peter did grab the sword and cut the soldier's ear off, to which Jesus told him to drop it then healed the soldier's ear. So it isn't about a real sword. And none of the disciples took up swords the rest of their lives. I don't see it as a natural sword, because the word of God would be that sword.

HanzHenry

benrl

ketsuko

HanzHenry
to me, a real Christian, is someone who does not participate in evil.

Bank tellers, munitions factory worker, etc.. not something a true Christian would do.

Imagine trying to explain how personally profiting off of evil was ok because "gotta feed the family"

So munitions are evil? A bullet is a tool and in an of itself is neutral like any weapon. It can be used for either good or evil. The bullet that was used to kill commit a murder could just as easily have been used to fill the cooking pot.

Would a hammer maker be evil since people have used hammer to club people to death? Somehow, I doubt it.

So when we get into the question of what constitutes good and evil, it can get very subjective. One person's good can be another's evil.

Now, clearly there are some things that are always evil or sinful. "Thou shalt not murder ..." but I don't recall Christ getting into a great amount of depth beyond that.

I would go a step further and Mention Christ told his followers to carry swords, at a time that would of been illegal for them to do under roman rule.

Whats the modern sword.

yep, Christians and weapons for killing gotta love it! the irony! completely lost on you 2!

so, how many people did Jesus kill? I am sure he had to be one tough dude right? I mean there are Dozens of stories where jesus chose to kill someone over not doing such.
Which guy that Jesus killed do you think deserved it most, Yep the disciples were all known as hitmen weren't they?

The word assassin comes from hashish...those Arabs used to get those guys trippin' and gave them swords to kill people with....

Wait, they can't drink or use tobacco but they can use hashish and smoke from hookahs? What's up with that?

HanzHenry


yep, Christians and weapons for killing gotta love it! the irony! completely lost on you 2!

so, how many people did Jesus kill? I am sure he had to be one tough dude right? I mean there are Dozens of stories where jesus chose to kill someone over not doing such.
Which guy that Jesus killed do you think deserved it most, Yep the disciples were all known as hitmen weren't they?

You are being rather silly and Juvenile, self defence is not opposed in the bible, Why do you think peter even had a sword in Jesus Presence?

Jesus stopped him because it had to happen, he had to be taken, not because defence of self is wrong...

Also I think you are forgetting who Jesus came for, he didn't come for the Righteous, he came for the lost, he called Prostitutes and Tax collectors to him, Centurions, Murderers.

The most anger Jesus ever had, where for the self righteous who refused to recognize their own flaws and insisted on pointing out the wrongs of people like prostitutes and tax collectors.

You know the Fred Phelps of the world, those so angry about the sin they forget the sinner.


ETA: And you will forgive me for not taking theological advice from someone who views being a bank teller as a damnable offence.

HanzHenry

benrl

ketsuko

HanzHenry
to me, a real Christian, is someone who does not participate in evil.

Bank tellers, munitions factory worker, etc.. not something a true Christian would do.

Imagine trying to explain how personally profiting off of evil was ok because "gotta feed the family"

So munitions are evil? A bullet is a tool and in an of itself is neutral like any weapon. It can be used for either good or evil. The bullet that was used to kill commit a murder could just as easily have been used to fill the cooking pot.

Would a hammer maker be evil since people have used hammer to club people to death? Somehow, I doubt it.

So when we get into the question of what constitutes good and evil, it can get very subjective. One person's good can be another's evil.

Now, clearly there are some things that are always evil or sinful. "Thou shalt not murder ..." but I don't recall Christ getting into a great amount of depth beyond that.

I would go a step further and Mention Christ told his followers to carry swords, at a time that would of been illegal for them to do under roman rule.

Whats the modern sword.

yep, Christians and weapons for killing gotta love it! the irony! completely lost on you 2!

so, how many people did Jesus kill? I am sure he had to be one tough dude right? I mean there are Dozens of stories where jesus chose to kill someone over not doing such.
Which guy that Jesus killed do you think deserved it most, Yep the disciples were all known as hitmen weren't they?

He didn't. But he warned us that we would be in trouble and need to defend ourselves.

Luke 22:36 Jesus is preparing the disciples for His departure. He is telling them that they will need to provide for themselves and even protect themselves. Up to that time, everything they had needed had been provided. But, after the crucifixion and ascension, they would again be "on their own." They would need to work, provide for their families, and, if need be, protect their own; hence, the mention of the sword. Of course, the Bible teaches that Christians are to be peaceful, loving, and forgiving; however, it also teaches that we are not required to sit idly by when persecuted unrighteously.

ketsuko

Luke 22:36 Jesus is preparing the disciples for His departure. He is telling them that they will need to provide for themselves and even protect themselves. Up to that time, everything they had needed had been provided. But, after the crucifixion and ascension, they would again be "on their own." They would need to work, provide for their families, and, if need be, protect their own; hence, the mention of the sword. Of course, the Bible teaches that Christians are to be peaceful, loving, and forgiving; however, it also teaches that we are not required to sit idly by when persecuted unrighteously.

Correct,

Single most miss understood topic in Christianity, A christian has a right to defend them self, but not an obligation.

Defense is not a sin.

benrl

HanzHenry


yep, Christians and weapons for killing gotta love it! the irony! completely lost on you 2!

so, how many people did Jesus kill? I am sure he had to be one tough dude right? I mean there are Dozens of stories where jesus chose to kill someone over not doing such.
Which guy that Jesus killed do you think deserved it most, Yep the disciples were all known as hitmen weren't they?

You are being rather silly and Juvenile, self defence is not opposed in the bible, Why do you think peter even had a sword in Jesus Presence?

Jesus stopped him because it had to happen, he had to be taken, not because defence of self is wrong...

Also I think you are forgetting who Jesus came for, he didn't come for the Righteous, he came for the lost, he called Prostitutes and Tax collectors to him, Centurions, Murderers.

The most anger Jesus ever had, where for the self righteous who refused to recognize their own flaws and insisted on pointing out the wrongs of people like prostitutes and tax collectors.

You know the Fred Phelps of the world, those so angry about the sin they forget the sinner.

Peter wasn't defending himself though. Defense of family is always right, but you have to remember that this same Peter had slept all evening as Jesus asked them three times to pray with Him, and then said he would go all the way with Christ, but Jesus told him the rooster would crow and reveal that Peter would deny him three times. Peter denied three times, the rooster crowed and Peter wept bitterly.

It's not about using the sword to defend in his case, but are we willing to deny Christ in the face of opposition?

WarminIndy


Peter wasn't defending himself though. Defense of family is always right, but you have to remember that this same Peter had slept all evening as Jesus asked them three times to pray with Him, and then said he would go all the way with Christ, but Jesus told him the rooster would crow and reveal that Peter would deny him three times. Peter denied three times, the rooster crowed and Peter wept bitterly.

It's not about using the sword to defend in his case, but are we willing to deny Christ in the face of opposition?

Yea, So at no point is defense a "sin".

It is a personal call, Im not gun ho saying kill everyone.

I am saying on that day, when you are faced between taking a life, and having you and your family harmed, a Christian can stand in his faith, and defend himself.

reply to post by WarminIndy


Think a lot about this because in the times I think may be coming, many of us could be faced with this decision.

reply to post by WarminIndy

I went as far back as Peter and Paul, and Barnabas was at the same time they were

So you are saying you belong to Barnabas? LOL

Ok so you believe in God, just the way that Barnabas taught about God. But what does it do for you today? Can you tell me the practical application of the Barnabas verses?

Christianity should be practical in all areas of our lives.

Threads covering 13 chapters of the book so far. Feel free to read. Also, Barnabas was the one that lost the casting of lots in Acts 1. See my first thread in the series.

ketsuko
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Think a lot about this because in the times I think may be coming, many of us could be faced with this decision.

When you have children to protect then it becomes so much more important. I don't have children and live alone so it is me by myself. All my knowledge ends with me.

But I can defend others and their children. Right now, we do have words and laws, but tomorrow may be different. It really is a tough call.

Children should be protected at all times. I would not stop anyone who had to defend their children.

I wouldn't know what to claim, I don't label myself as any of them. But I do feel and believe in this white energy that flows through me and everyone. I am no type of religious, but I do like to come in to these forums to read people's views and am open enough to read some bible passages posters post to learn like a child and take what makes sense to me or not. I'll just never understand why some "christians" damn people to hell if they don't follow. Is that what God really want? For people to burn for not following a certain club? I don't attend church but in my heart I truly believe that white energy (God) has always and will always be with me.

Well said

reply to post by WarminIndy


Great thread. I hate to break things down into binary terms but, when I meet a Christian, I can usually quickly determine if I would consider them a "bad" or "good" Christian by one simple distinction.

Do they let Jesus define and guide them or do they use the bible to justify their already-established beliefs. That test alone is what makes me comfortably say that many non-Christians follow Jesus much more faithfully than many self-identified Christians.

The worst kind to me are the ones who let a completely separate non-religious ideology co-opt their religion and allow them to make others believe the two are inseparable. They are also the type to connect and cement other ideologies to "Satan". For example, "capitalism" equals "Jesus" and "Socialism" equals "Satan"... even if it makes no sense.

The Christians I meet who I feel are actually decent representatives of their god are normally all over the map politically and don't cherry-pick the bible to make their bigotry justified. The good ones come in liberal packages, conservative packages, and in all shapes and sizes with a wide variety of personal economic views. If Jesus didn't address it, these people form their own opinion and own that opinion instead of finding ways to make their opinions seem like religion.

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First of all, this is brilliant! I couldn't agree more with this statement.

All Christians would jump in now and say they are the God-given ones, those who believe God instituted their religion and that's the path they follow. But if this should save a few Christians, let's see how to fix this mess. Removing Calvinism (John Calvin) and his ideas of Predestination, TULIP, Effectual Call and General Call, can we get back to Jesus?

John Calvin was an ex catholic priest and he was a false prophet. I can't help but wonder how many people have gone to hell because of the TULIP.

Anyway, I do not really like the label that claiming a specific denomination puts on people, but if I had to label myself I would say that I am an independent fundamental Baptist. Now I do realize that the IFB gets a lot of negative publicity, mostly because of the wackos over at Westboro. Westboro is SUPER Calvinist, which is their main problem. Anyway, back to me... I claim Baptist because Baptists did not form out of the Protestant Reformation, which to me is very important, because other brands of Christianity (Methodist, Lutheran, etc) are nothing more than "Catholic Light".

I personally believe that the modern Bible "translations" (NIV, ESV, etc...) have played a major role in forming the new version of false Christianity that exists today, and that is very unfortunate.