19 year old young lady shot in back of head after seeking help after a car crash

reply to post by Silverado292


Yeah the facts are this, according to you."the person she may have been" You know the one where you had to make a point of telling everyone someone could have been off to the side waiting to ambush the guy..

reply to post by TKDRL


Yeah her state of midn was the only one that mattered in this situation., not the shooter.

So basically you guys are saying..this person was drunk or high...so she deserved to be shot.

Why is it you right wingers only seem to have facts about blacks that show the bad side of them. You never bring up the shooters past or possible behavior, that is if they are white. One exception was Zimmerman...because there you had to choose the lesser of two evils...in that case Hispanic vs black.

You people made Martin to be this big bad villain up to good...yet totally disregarded Zimmerman past.

Here you people come again...creating a bad image of the victim, totally disregarding the shooter's possible past. Cops shoot dead a white kid in Canada..you guys were all over the cops...saying the kid had an excuse...he was possibly intoxicated or had issues, his past was not brought up once.

See the problem.

reply to post by Onslaught2996


Take it easy with the assumptions.
Whats with the right wing and tossing out the racist crap all about?

reply to post by Onslaught2996


What is this you guys crap, you want to address me, then address me. Nice job assuming I am a "right winger" first of all. Second of all, thanks for trying to put words in my mouth.

If she was high and drunk, left the scene of the accident twice, shows some erratic behavior IMO. Seems it is certainly possible she was still acting erratic when she was on the dude's porch. Other than that, I have no clue what happened. Neither do you.

I have no "facts about blacks", I don't judge people by race, I judge people by their individual actions etc. I bet you also assumed along with me being a "right winger", that I must be white too?

I don't need to create a bad image of her, she did a bangup job of that herself. Drunk driving, crashing into a parked car, leaving the scene of the accident twice when 911 was called for her. Not a very good image at all. It's too bad the cops didn't find her, then she might be alive facing jail for DUI instead of ending up on some dude's porch getting shot.

Not even gonna touch the cop incident, comparing penises and pineapples there.

Onslaught2996
reply to post by TKDRL

 

Yeah her state of midn was the only one that mattered in this situation., not the shooter.

So basically you guys are saying..this person was drunk or high...so she deserved to be shot.

Why is it you right wingers only seem to have facts about blacks that show the bad side of them. You never bring up the shooters past or possible behavior, that is if they are white. One exception was Zimmerman...because there you had to choose the lesser of two evils...in that case Hispanic vs black.

You people made Martin to be this big bad villain up to good...yet totally disregarded Zimmerman past.

Here you people come again...creating a bad image of the victim, totally disregarding the shooter's possible past. Cops shoot dead a white kid in Canada..you guys were all over the cops...saying the kid had an excuse...he was possibly intoxicated or had issues, his past was not brought up once.

See the problem.

Your saint travon was a punk Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Zimmerman Defended a Homeless Black man, In 2010 race-related beating case, George Zimmerman pushed to discipline same officers who investigated Trayvon Martin shooting Read more: dailycaller.com... zIc

Zimmerman also mentored many Black teens.

How does your foot taste??

reply to post by Onslaught2996


Also I'm neither a Democrap or a Republican't.

Silverado292

You're saint travon was a punk Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

So let me know how any of this mattered on the night of his murder?

Did Zimmerman have all this information?

It has never been proven that Martin was up to no good that night, just a kid going to the store.His past had nothing to do with what happened that night...as far as Zimmerman knew..he was a good kid with scholarship options to the best schools.

It has also come to light that Zimmerman has a penchant for violence. Possible assault of his wife, also not enough evidence to charge...because of the camera glitching or something. His past also has violence in it but was conveniently left out.

George Zimmerman's Criminal History Includes Alleged Violence and Temper (Audio and New Documents)

Onslaught2996

Silverado292

You're saint travon was a punk Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

So let me know how any of this mattered on the night of his murder?

Did Zimmerman have all this information?

It has never been proven that Martin was up to good that night, just a kid going to the store.His past had nothing to do with what happened that night...as far as Zimmerman knew..he was a good kid with scholarship options to the best schools.

It has also come to light that Zimmerman has a penchant for violence. Possible assault of his wife, also not enough evidence to charge...because of the camera glitching or something. His past also has violence in it but was conveniently left out.

George Zimmerman's Criminal History Includes Alleged Violence and Temper (Audio and New Documents)

edit on 15-11-2013 by Onslaught2996 because: (no reason given)

If Zimmerman did commit a felonious assault against a cop he should have never had a gun in the first place.

TKDRL
... comparing penises and pineapples there.

Wait a sec ... I thought some dude busted a cap in some drunk woman's 'melon.' Now, I get the phallic reference to a firearm being used, but a pineapple ... ? I missed that correlation.

Now I've gotta back up three pages in a thread about an event covered by Huff'n'PuffPo and see what it was where I lost continuity. I'll edit in a bit.

ETA: It's getting clearer ... Typical race-driven anti-gun thingy that may provide Obamarama some fodder to distract Amerka with while his free hand fishes around in our pockets for any remaining loose change??? Still thinking ...


ETA2: Nothing personal TKDRL ... I was merely amused by your quoted P&P reference. I am NOT picking sides in whatever else may be going on in page 7.

I can't believe some of the bickering going on in this thread....


Seriously, this is Detroit. Do any of you have any idea just what kind of **it hole this place is? Crime occurs at insane levels. Living in and around Detroit is the same as living in and around a war zone. Debating law in this area is a pointless act cause the normal rules of society really do not apply.

If anything, everyone should be taking notes. If you live in a metro area, this could be in your city next as the dollar continues to decline, business continue to pack up and leave and times keep getting tougher.

reply to post by Snarl


Yeah it was meant to be a joke kinda. Comparing apples to oranges wouldn't quite illustrate the absurd differences in the two cases

She was drunk, left twice when help was called for her. She didn't want help, any help that night would come with handcuffs for DUI or DWI and leaving the scene after the first 911 call. The only way it makes any sense is if she either knew the shooter, or knew one of his close neighbors. She was looking for a place to crash and sleep it off is my best guess, if there is any sense at all to what she was doing.

If she knew one of the neighbors we probably would have heard about it by now. How she was just looking for a friend that lived close, was just confused is all.

Dearborn Heights man was arraigned Friday with second-degree murder, manslaughter and possession of a firearm in a felony in the shooting death of 19-year-old Detroiter Renisha McBride.


More things pointing to an unnecessary death. From the article he fired the shotgun from behind a locked screen door. Don't think the Castle will help him. Bad judgement from everyone involved and it led to the death of someone.

We will see how this plays out in court.......

reply to post by pavil

Should be interesting, if it makes it to trial. Might not still. I will be honest, if I was a juror, prosecutor would have a really hard time to make me sympathetic enough to vote guilty after I heard she was a seriously drunk driver involved in an accident. If it were up to me, drunk drivers would lose their license totally for five years. No work permit, no nothing. Also they would be publicly caned, one lash for every offense they are caught. You can tell I just love drunk drivers, eh?

Also interesting the MSM was claiming that he didn't even bother calling 911 at all, now we hear that was another lie they were caught in.

reply to post by TKDRL


If you listened to the Prosecutors news conference, she gave the impression that the time he made the call was interesting, perhaps not immediately after the event.

Gonna be hard not to go to trial, doesn't seem to be signs of break in, nor struggle. More details will come out with the trial, I am sure.

IMO, being drunk on someone's front porch doesn't warrant death. If there was no evidence of attempted break in then this man made a major mistake.

I'm actually surprised ATS hasn't blown up with this story, today. I figured I'd at least find a new thread, now that this guy has been charged in relation to this incident.

Prosecutors charged a white suburban Detroit homeowner with second-degree murder on Friday, after he killed a young black woman with a shotgun blast to the face when she knocked on his door in the middle of the night seeking help after a car crash....

The previously unidentified suspect, airport employee Theodore Wafer, 54, also faces manslaughter and firearms possession charges in the November 2 death of the woman, Renisha McBride, 19. He called 911 to report the incident and later told police that the shooting was accidental.

www.reuters.com...



Figured this one would spark a debate. I'm quite curious to hear what many here think of this.

TKDRL
reply to post by pavil

 

Should be interesting, if it makes it to trial. Might not still. I will be honest, if I was a juror, prosecutor would have a really hard time to make me sympathetic enough to vote guilty after I heard she was a seriously drunk driver involved in an accident. If it were up to me, drunk drivers would lose their license totally for five years. No work permit, no nothing. Also they would be publicly caned, one lash for every offense they are caught. You can tell I just love drunk drivers, eh?

Also interesting the MSM was claiming that he didn't even bother calling 911 at all, now we hear that was another lie they were caught in.

edit on Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:06:42 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

You realize that's not how court cases are supposed to be decided, right? You can't just say "not guilty" because you feel that this person "got what was coming to them" because you don't approve of drunk driving. That's not how it works, at all. I don't approve of drunk driving, either. But that doesn't mean that someone should just be able to murder you with impunity because of it.

The only way I could see that having any bearing on the case, whatsoever, is if the defense could make a convincing case that this homeowner was somehow more in fear of his life, and thus acted in self defense because of her intoxicated state, specifically. But that's a very hard argument to make. Have you ever been in a really bad car wreck? I've been in a couple. And though I was 100% sober, I assure you, that between hitting your head good and hard, and all the shock and adrenaline, you would not necessarily be acting 100% like your normal old self, anyway.


But you can't just acquit someone of a murder charge simply because you didn't like the victim, or didn't approve of something they did. That's not only illegal, it's completely immoral, and I find it a bit sad that you can't see that.

reply to post by iwilliam


The prosecution will probably be trying to paint the picture, that is was just a poor girl out there looking for help after an accident. The fact she left twice when help was called for her, and was also very drunk when shot(hours after she crashed because she was drunk in the first place), would make that story impossible to swallow. The default is innocent, the prosecution has to convince of guilt. We don't know what happened, she could have been threatening the guy, then made a sudden stumble toward the door startling him. She put herself in that situation by leaving the scene, then ending up knocking or pounding on a door, who knows what else. Hard to drudge up any sympathy.

Yes I have been in car accidents before, no I wasn't drunk. No I wasn't acting stupid after.

We don't know what happened, she could have been threatening the guy, then made a sudden stumble toward the door startling him.

The man was behind a locked door. Stumbling on a porch near the door isn't a good enough reason to be killed. But that's just me, other people may feel startled by stumble is a reason for deadly force.