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Yes, it is a misquote when it is taken as literal, when it is spiritual,
windword
reply to post by EnochWasRight
What are you going on about!? The bulk of the OP is about Sharia Law. Last time I checked that was a Muslim thing. And, oh yeah, by the way, there are Christians that have been guilty of the same harshness as Sharia.
Do you think all Christians are saints beyond repoach? Do think that Christians that want to kill gays don't exist? Do you think that there are no Christians in power positions aiming to bring on Armegeddon?
windword
reply to post by EnochWasRight
What are you going on about!? The bulk of the OP is about Sharia Law. Last time I checked that was a Muslim thing. And, oh yeah, by the way, there are Christians that have been guilty of the same harshness as Sharia.
Do you think all Christians are saints beyond repoach? Do think that Christians that want to kill gays don't exist? Do you think that there are no Christians in power positions aiming to bring on Armegeddon?
windword
reply to post by WarminIndy
Yes, it is a misquote when it is taken as literal, when it is spiritual,
Aye! There's the rub! When do we take the Bible literally and when do we take it metaphorically?
Going back to my original post, and the reason I posted it, Christianity has had "jihads" based on New Testament scripture, that's a fact. Religion has never been for creating peace. Religion serves the purpose of controlling the masses.
If you take the Bible in totality, instead of individual verses, then you would see the totality of the Bible is a book of moral guidance and that it does teach moral lessons we are to learn by.
OK, if the Bible is to be taken literal in every chapter, then it should be literal on every page, that would only make sense. And if the Bible is to be taken metaphorically, then all of it should be.
But since the Bible is designed to present us with real people with real human flaws, that we are to learn by their actions, then it is literal and metaphorical in that sense.
windword
reply to post by WarminIndy
You're confusing religion with your personal faith. Religion is an invention by man to control men.
If you take the Bible in totality, instead of individual verses, then you would see the totality of the Bible is a book of moral guidance and that it does teach moral lessons we are to learn by.
I would disagree with that statement. What morality does the Bible teach?
OK, if the Bible is to be taken literal in every chapter, then it should be literal on every page, that would only make sense. And if the Bible is to be taken metaphorically, then all of it should be.
That's the problem. People are still thinking that it's acceptable to stone adulterers and kill infidels. Some Christians take some things literal, like homesexual abonimation, but see Jesus telling people to sell their belongings and give the proceeds to the poor as metaphorical, for example.
But since the Bible is designed to present us with real people with real human flaws, that we are to learn by their actions, then it is literal and metaphorical in that sense.
What are we supposed to learn from Abraham? The murder of Jesus? From story of John the Baptist? Elijah? Peter?
Please refer to my thread about the origins of religion. Christianity didn't start religion and I don't think we should fight that out on this thread. Just go read it, I think you missed it.
The murder of Jesus, as I am a Christian, I don't think we want to get into the argument about the purpose of Jesus coming here, but the Bible gives over 456 prophecies about Jesus' birth, life, death, resurrection, ascension and returning. These are found in the OT.
What are we supposed to learn from Abraham? Don't go making babies and causing domestic strife, it never turns out well. The kids fight, the women fight, no one is happy. Just wait on God for God to do what He said He promised He would. If we do things on our own, sometimes we mess it up royally.
windword
reply to post by WarminIndy
Please refer to my thread about the origins of religion. Christianity didn't start religion and I don't think we should fight that out on this thread. Just go read it, I think you missed it.
This thread isn't about the origin of religion. It's about the corruption of and the corrupted influence it has on society and on humanity. Christianity isn't immune to such usury.
The murder of Jesus, as I am a Christian, I don't think we want to get into the argument about the purpose of Jesus coming here, but the Bible gives over 456 prophecies about Jesus' birth, life, death, resurrection, ascension and returning. These are found in the OT.
Two words. Reverse Enineering.
Not to mention many stretches of the imagination and tweeking of the scriptures.
What are we supposed to learn from Abraham? Don't go making babies and causing domestic strife, it never turns out well. The kids fight, the women fight, no one is happy. Just wait on God for God to do what He said He promised He would. If we do things on our own, sometimes we mess it up royally.
So basically, what you're saying is that, the morality that the Bible teaches is to listen to the voices inside ones head that say "this is God" and do what those voices tell you to do. Anything else is immoral. Is that right?
edit on 7-11-2013 by windword because: (no reason given)
Yes, this is a thread about Islam and how Islam is corrupted, which I will add from my perspective is not an Abrahamic faith, simply one that has hijacked a lot of other systems.
You would have to place me in the same boat when you make the statements against Christianity, therefore,as a Christian, I must be like Muslims, Jews and Zoroastrians, as those are all monotheistic religions. So therefore, if I am like all of those, then I must hold to stoning people and burning them at the stake.
Have I presented that mentality in any post?
Are you fighting jihad against me, my faith or my religion?
windword
reply to post by WarminIndy
Yes, this is a thread about Islam and how Islam is corrupted, which I will add from my perspective is not an Abrahamic faith, simply one that has hijacked a lot of other systems.
One could imply the same about Christianity.
You would have to place me in the same boat when you make the statements against Christianity, therefore,as a Christian, I must be like Muslims, Jews and Zoroastrians, as those are all monotheistic religions. So therefore, if I am like all of those, then I must hold to stoning people and burning them at the stake.
Have I presented that mentality in any post?
Should I place you in that boat?
Do you want to see gays corralled, jailed or worse, put to death? Do you think that birth control should be illegal and women who choose NOT to get/be pregnant should be imprisoned or worse?
Do you think that church/Bible doctrine should dictate our laws? Should the 10 Commandments be displayed in courthouses?
Should creationism be taught on equal footing to evolution? Is science an atheistic religion?
Do you secretly or outwardly hope for the destruction of planet earth? Do you pray for Armegeddon?
Are you fighting jihad against me, my faith or my religion?
You're taking this pretty personally. Maybe you're the one fighting a jihad. I'm just saying that religion, including Christianity, doesn't have a goal of peace. Christianity is not concerned with world peace.
Religion was created by men to control men (people).
AbleEndangered
I would argue or concur that Shariah Law is the Exact same as Mosaic Law. Moses...
Do you feel the same way against African Americans? If not, why? Is it okay to be prejudice against all Christians, but not against all African Americans or even all whites? Where do you make the distinction between hatred and simply calling out those who choose to steal, kill and destroy? Many Americans are Fat. Are you fat because you are an American?
If you don't mind, I have downloaded a copy of Sharia law, called Ftiq, it is jurisprudence of Islamic law and will use that to quote from on my posts. People don't want to do this, but it is necessary to know what they are thinking.
We can compare side by side if we wish, it might be beneficial to do so.