Watch as Self-Described ‘Normal’ Muslims Show Support for Stoning Adulterers and Other ‘Punish

reply to post by maddy21


You do realize that the US would take the rest of the world with them if they tried that right? Seriously if MAD i s still not a factor in your minds the worlds IQ has seriously dropped in the past decade. Yeah they may compare the US to nazi germany but we have superior firepower and are not afraid to drag the rest of the world down as well. No insult intended to anyone,but its a fact.

tom.farnhill
reply to post by Carreau

 

christians and the islamic people all state that their god is the only god .
so if this is true then they are talking about the same god , are they not ? .
so why are these people so bent on converting each other to their version of faith.

could it be that these religions were never designed to agree with each other, but to keep them isolated and in keeping this isolation and distrust, our eyes and ears are closed to the bigger picture of whats really going on on our planet.

And though the whole of the answer is laid out right in front of the readership ... the hatred marches right on past in ignorance.

reply to post by paraphi


I wonder myself also, but we will never get an answer to that because most male dominated religions where the god happens to be male does the same thing to women.

Deep inside I think it has to do with the ability of the female body to carry life while the male can not.

But that is another thread and another topic.

Can anyone help me to understand why this group, Islam Net is holding it's "peace conference" (read: Dog & Pony Show) in English?

The official languages in Norway are the Norwegian Language as well as Nynorsk and Bokmål. Yet they are all able to express their extremism together in English. You know, the Sunni are known for adopting the language of the country that they are residing in?

I am smelling a rat and as though my chain is being tugged. Anyone else?

Why there are no Buddist extremists, fundamentalists?
Seems to me all the violence, wars, tortures, misery and suffering (stone the sinner or burn the witch) comes from the same Abrahamic dogmas
Christians, Jews, Muslims.
No wonder why 2/3 of the world believe those dogmas, they were probably forced to believe in the fisrt place and establishment came later after a few generations with much superstitious mambo jumbo and fear mongering to the naive people of those times....
So much sadness and misery....

reply to post by Bybyots


Quite. But lets take them at face value when they describe themselves as "average" Muslims.

Did you hear the one about David Duke being a racial-realist?

They came from countries where they were poor like church mice and now they are preaching hate and religious nonsenses in most prosperous countries in the world. Norway authorities should ban these gatherings and expel all of them back to their beloved countries.

You see here is the problem, people expect the moderates to be nice Muslims, they are NOT!

As known my inlaws are Muslims and I have a very good knowledge of their way despite not being religious at all.

There are 3 types of Muslim...

The Normal Muslim like my inlaws, moved here in 1950 from Guyana, Islam is their faith but its not their life, they go to the Mosque on Fridays but there's no OTT behaviour. They are fully integrated members of the neighbourhood, socialise with all and despise the extremists.

Now I'll skip to the radicals, the bad boys of the religions, they follow man made rules and not the book, all this stoning etc is heralded by the Wuhabists, they continue to follow items made up for men by men and utterly detest other non conforming Muslims let alone US.

And slap in the middle are the worst kind, the Moderates, moderates to the most are Radicals in disguise, often Politicians who preach peace but when they return to Pakistan etc preach hatred against us. These people use the little law in Islam to deliberately lie in protection of their faith.

Sadly these are the people you see in the video, the second they use Sunni you know they are divisive Radicals pretending to be moderate, they create divisions in the Muslim ranks to organise conflict.

Also sadly these are the very people our governments deal with, utterly Radical Muslims pretending to be moderate.

What really hurts Normal Muslims is that in many cases (not my inlaws) they fled their country to get away from the Radical way, they just want a quiet life like you and me but have become persecuted by both the influx of radical Muslims from other very Radical countries and the British public who mistakenly lump them with he radicals because they are Muslims. I just wish these normal Muslims would be 10,000 times more public in their condemnation of the radical way, maybe people would see the difference then.

reply to post by Dr1Akula

Why there are no Buddist extremists, fundamentalists?

There are,


world.time.com...

tothetenthpower
reply to post by Carreau

 

Well if extremist and normal muslims share the same beliefs then what is the difference?

So 1500 is a good number to use as a litmus test for how one Billion people feel?



~Tenth

1,500 is more than an adequate sample size for a population of 1,570,000,000 at 95% confidence with a +/- 3% error.

Dr1Akula
Why there are no Buddist extremists, fundamentalists?

There are Buddist extremists. Try looking up Ashin Wirathu.

Extremists exist in all religions. However, Islam seems to be rooted in the Middle Ages where debate and progress in religious doctrine seems hobbled. Most religions have developed with the time, but not Islam.

Going back to the OP. The point is that in mainstream Christianity has moved on and normal Christians are no longer fixated on inflicting violence on women, gays and heretics. The Cartoons of Muhammad show my point, because if they were cartoons of Jesus Christ not an eyebrow would have been raised.

In the main, Islam is not complementary to 21st century living, especially if you are a woman, gay or have a view about (er) religion. Prove me wrong.

Regards

The guys in the video are like the groups Hiz but tahrir and Al Muhajiroun (Think Anjem Choudary).. They are what governments would call 'non violent extremists'. They beleive in overthrowing democracy and creating a world wide islamic state, but through non violent means. They regard western countries as Dar al amn (House of Safety), and are forbidden to commit acts of violence in them. They're not representative of the muslim communities living in the west!

reply to post by Carreau


What a disgusting, vile, irrational group of people. Almost as bad as the christians and jews--those they loathe so deeply.

They all need to be put down. The Human race cannot tolerate such a caustic entanglement of stupidity and arrogance.


"Islam is the truth." hahahaha. Idiots.

Yes of course they will raise their hands in agreement, the sheikh knows exactly what he is doing and what to expect (he is betting on the ignorance of his audience), it's like asking a Christian, if you believe in the bible raise your hand and surely he/she will…

Let me suppose another scenario

The sheikh for example tells the audience: Quran has actually never mentioned stoning as a banishment for adultery, there is not a single verse in Quran says that (this is a fact by the way), but there are 2 – 3 stories mention that Mohammad did it once or twice but the authenticity of these stories can be argued because simply they are not Quran, but I myself "the sheikh" choose to dismiss Quran and believe the stories, those of you who agree with me raise your hands, how many hands will the sheikh get? None maybe?

Note: this stoning banishment for adultery is an issue sheikhs rarely bring up and always try to avoid because it leads to Quran being fabricated by the companions of Mohammad.

But no the sheikh would die rather than telling his audience any truths, Money Money Money, anybody wonder why those sheikhs are very active in Europe, ask the Wahhabi Saudi regime and their big money.

...and these are the same people who want nuclear weapons?

LOL

I'm sorry, but when your civilization believes it to be fine to bury someone up to their neck in the sand, then proceed to hit them with rocks until they die, you are extremely untrustable with nuclear power.


These folks are living in biblical times still, their punishment methods are nothing less than savage and barbaric, and for what?

For their stupid invisible man in the clouds.

I will make it blatantly clear I dislike any group of people whom acts this way. This is NOT a peaceful society, it is an oppressive and idiotic way of life.

People don't need to be brutally murdered for crimes like adultery. Yes, I believe it is a horrible crime and SOME form of punishment should be applied, but not stoning someone to death. The segregation of men and women, the persecution of homosexuals, the lack of free speech; There is no freedom in this, only indoctrination and brainwashing of an entire society through religious means.


This is some of the dumbest stuff happening on the world.

reply to post by Vortiki


Those people helped bring Europe, when they were burning people alive, out of the dark ages.

The stoning is a law that comes out of the Jewish old testament.

THERE IS NOT ONE VERSE IN THE QURAN THAT SUPPORTS STONING TO DEATH

ketsuko
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Fred Phelps thinks he's a lawyer trying to find ways to get money by being outrageous and trying to provoke people to do things so he can sue them. He's totally cynical.

The most damning thing about most of the Islamic community is that in poll after poll, they express a high degree of support for the people who do these things. If it was a religion of peace, you would think those results would be different.

And when they refer to the religion of peace, they refer often to the time after the entire world is conquered to be put under Islam and it's the only game in town.

The whole basis of Islam being a religion of peace is - once it's taken over the whole world then there will be peace ie: when everyone submits to it.

It would be funny if it wasn't so scary.

reply to post by Vortiki


I've seen a couple of videos of the stoning of adulterers, women and men both.

The whole village basically involved in murdering their own, whether son or daughter, brother, sister, aunt, uncle - the whole town was in on it.

Why not instead simply force the pair to leave town never to return and eject them or ban them from the society - why murder them and make everyone complicit in that murder?

It was the most horrific and the saddest thing I've EVER seen. It brings tears to my eyes even now just recounting it.

It was an outrage and a disgrace, against man and God, and "Islam" whatever that is.

If only the original enlightened Mecca part of Islam were to trump the latter, violent, war lording Medina part, with the beheadings, stonings, etc., then it would be ok, but they've got it the other way around and that's the problem with Islam.

Points:

Many of you folks are all victims of the media bios against Islam.

I wonder if any of you know a single Muslim.

I know thousands!

And they are as ignorant, wise, good or bad as anyone.

If this western society wasn’t secular, and they fought wars for centuries to get here, you better believe they would have more religious nuts

More Charles Manson’s

Jim Jones'

And Dave Quraish’

And they still do
Look at the Christians that kill abortion doctors. Let their babies die rather than have Medical treatment
Burn the devil out of their children they think possessed
It happens ALL THE TIME
It’s just not a Zionist orientated press willing to vilify ALL Muslims for the actions of a few

They fundamentalist Christians and Jews also don't cater to gays and many others who aren’t of their faith and they think are in “sin”

It’s ONLY the secular tradition that keeps them in line.

Otherwise you would hear as much mayhem from them as you do from Muslims

Also, you have to consider there are almost 2 billion Muslims in the world.

Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world. They are a very peaceful country relatively.
And Turkey, Americas ally, is getting along fine they are 99 percent Muslim

Where there is political strife in Muslim countries you are going to have radicals produced.

Read your history when Europe was burning people alive it was Islam that held the torch of civilization not the backward Europeans.

Things have changed..true and Islam is going through what Europe went through it's own religion versus secular philosophy.

Ask yourself this question

Where were these crazy Muslims before all these political challenges in the Middle East, like the creation of Israel and the war against Russia in Afghanistan?

Reagan had the fundamentalists in the White House!

Things like that always produce radicals.

The KKK was produced out of the racial strife in America and the civil war.

Hitler was produced out of the ashes of WWI

All this is not to defend those barbaric savages who commit crimes against people because of religion.

They should be condemned and fought at every turn

But for people to vilify ALL Muslims for the deeds of a few is the height of ignorance and folly.

Willtell
reply to post by Vortiki

 

Those people helped bring Europe, when they were burning people alive, out of the dark ages.

The stoning is a law that comes out of the Jewish old testament.

THERE IS NOT ONE VERSE IN THE QURAN THAT SUPPORTS STONING TO DEATH

Then why aren't jews stoning people? why is it only the islamic? Lol, you argument bears no traction with me.