Active Shooter in Garden State Plaza Mall, New Jersey

reply to post by JackofBlades


Very good theory! Here's another question that needs an explanation. If this young man is like most everyone else his age, why is it his last entry on his twitter page is from February 14, 2012? There must have been more recent tweets than what's on at this link. twitter.com...

I have doubts if this is really even his page! If it his page, are we to believe he made no tweets since February 14, 2012? It's more likely there were and they have been removed by someone!

Mikeultra
Very good theory! Here's another question that needs an explanation. If this young man is like most everyone else his age, why is it his last entry on his twitter page is from February 14, 2012? There must have been more recent tweets than what's on at this link. twitter.com...

Or like many people I know that use Twitter the novelty of posting wears off and they use it as a way to gather info vs updates about what color their hair is .. so they stop posting..

i have gone weeks at a time between Tweets. I know plenty of people that have gone months at a time between them. I know people that posted 30 things in the first 10 minutes of being on Twitter then have not -posted anything in over a year.

For you to say that anything has to be a certain way on FB, Twitter, G+, Instagram, insert some other social media here is removing the user element from it.

Mikeultra
I have doubts if this is really even his page!

I agree. The whole thing is very defamatory. Like the "drug-addict" angle, when his friends indicated he didn't use drugs more than anyone else.

Mikeultra

Can you explain why there was not one ambulance called to the Paramus Mall, not one fire truck, the only things there were police! Compare that response to LAX, where there was every piece of equipment you can imagine.

Remember there were hundreds of people locked inside the mall. Wouldn't it have been wise to have ambulances there if the possibility exists for casualties? I watched the chopper live feed that night, and there were zero ambulances there! Find me a video or photo from that night showing a single ambulance, prove me wrong!

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reply to post by opethPA


Well you'll have to understand that my opinions on this are coming out the way they are because I don't have all that Facebook, My Space, Twitter, etc, etc. I'm not "NORMAL" O.K. ! Anyway this guy Shoop, his twitter page has stuff written on there that I don't think looks legit. Graphic stuff that I don't believe a 20 year old guy would be putting on the web for the whole world to read! Isn't it easy for just about anyone to create one of these pages? Someone told me just a few days ago on here that about the Paul Ciancia Facebook page that had a photo from an Oxford University professor named James Vicary! So there is my logic on that line of interrogation Mr. OpethPA sir!

lernmore

Mikeultra

Can you explain why there was not one ambulance called to the Paramus Mall, not one fire truck, the only things there were police! Compare that response to LAX, where there was every piece of equipment you can imagine.

Remember there were hundreds of people locked inside the mall. Wouldn't it have been wise to have ambulances there if the possibility exists for casualties? I watched the chopper live feed that night, and there were zero ambulances there! Find me a video or photo from that night showing a single ambulance, prove me wrong!

Like this?

edit on 6-11-2013 by lernmore because: (no reason given)

Where the hell did you get that photo? Please provide the source! I saw nothing of the sort on the night of the shooting. That photo is a typical HSEEP exercise set-up. If that was at Paramus, it convinces me even more it's a false flag. What are you worried about? NSA? Screw them!

What did you do with the bigger photo you had on here a few minutes ago? Worried someone would discover it wasn't at Paramus Mall?

reply to post by Mikeultra


have someone check him for AID'S.
if he was in the Porn ind. around that time,, there was a shortage of porn stars due to the AIDS,,spreading within the industry.
If he was told,, he sorry looks like aids,,,
maybe his suppressed message/suicide note was about that?

its possable.being that young, with everything too live for, too just blow his own head off.?

reply to post by Mikeultra


unfortunately,,EVERYONE,, gets too practice there training at these events as well.
what if it was a biological attack?
would u say why were they not there as well?
or were they?
i hope so,, why not? its paid for,, and its training?
p.s that u too all of the VOLUNTER's ,,who go free of charge,,, cause its your neighbourhood.
stay safe.

reply to post by BobAthome


That sounds reasonable.If it is the cops should just say so. That way I can concentrate on the their last LAX drama. Is that Ciancia guy dead yet?

reply to post by SpaDe_


This is called cherry picking courtesy of your corporate media.

Go check out statistics for the amount of people killed a day in Chicago or any other inner city, does it not seem to odd to you that these are not covered by the media?

How about the innocents killed from drone strikes? Talk about the world going mad, there's not a pin drop of outrage when it comes to massacring third world countries or when people consistently shoot each other up, but when stories like these break even looses their mind.

The world went mad long ago and we will not make it better by scoffing at it and being cynical, we need to progressively better ourselves and each other so we can bring about something better, because this madness is unacceptable.

Seems the brother Kevin Shoop might be in trouble over the weapon used. He got in a fight with his brother over it not long ago and the police seized it. The judge dropped charges on Kevin for assault and told him to secure the weapon when the courts gave it back to him. They now are saying the weapon was not secure and that is how it was used in the mall video camera shootings. I guess that is what you would call this. Maybe mass video camera shooting?

www.nj.com...

And who exactly is Thomas “BlackBox Pulse” Lanza in his google + followers?
plus.google.com...

reply to post by lernmore


OK, I compared a Google Earth view with the photo you provided and it looks like a match. I still don't like the red, yellow, and green triage tarps. It's exactly like the set at LAX. This reeks of a HSEEP drill/exercise gone live.


There was no video or photos that I saw until you posted that one.

They stated that they were there that night on the scanner feeds. The tarps are SOP for these types of events now and I think in this case it was lucky they were not needed. I truly think he showed up and lost his nerve. That to me shows that he was not crazy and just confused. or....

There were still reports of multiple shooters. I mean, how to you mistake 2 people for holding a gun. I may not remember what they are wearing but I would know if there were 'TWO' people with weapons. Maybe the second shooter bailed and then this kid got scared and hid?

reply to post by matafuchs


This article says his brother went to the mall to try and stop him when he found a note. I wonder when his brother got there?

www.northjersey.com...

"He was at the mall at 9 o'clock looking for his brother."

Can you explain why there was not one ambulance called to the Paramus Mall, not one fire truck, the only things there were police! Compare that response to LAX, where there was every piece of equipment you can imagine.

reply to post by Mikeultra


Were you there?

Do you know that there are several covered parking decks around the mall...?

Plenty of room to standby

Ever here of staging......? The units are staged nearby, ready to respond, but out of the way......

Since shooter came in from Nordstrom, logical place to stage would have been Ikea parking lot next to Garden
State Plaza.

firefight

Can you explain why there was not one ambulance called to the Paramus Mall, not one fire truck, the only things there were police! Compare that response to LAX, where there was every piece of equipment you can imagine.

reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Were you there?

Do you know that there are several covered parking decks around the mall...?

Plenty of room to standby

Ever here of staging......? The units are staged nearby, ready to respond, but out of the way......

Since shooter came in from Nordstrom, logical place to stage would have been Ikea parking lot next to Garden
State Plaza.

No, I wasn't there. Were you there? You're saying it would be logical to stage ambulances out of the way? Why then was the scene at Lax totally clogged with fire engines and ambulances stacked 4 deep? The photo that some-
one posted aways back looks like it's in the southern-most parking lot. Yet this article says they staged in the western parking lot out of sight.

"The mall quickly was surrounded by police cars from Paramus and neighboring communities, grouping mainly in the area around the Nordstrom department store. Ambulances gathered at the west side of the mall, poised for mass casualties that never materialized." - See more at: www.northjersey.com...

And most importantly I have not seen the source for that photo. It could have been taken at any time. Show me a source where that photo was published in an article!

reply to post by Mikeultra


The colored tarps are standard procedure in a mass casualty event. Nothing fishy about them whatsoever, nor is it fishy that they use the same procedures in training exercises that that do in live events...that is, afterall, what they are training for.

matafuchs
They stated that they were there that night on the scanner feeds. The tarps are SOP for these types of events now and I think in this case it was lucky they were not needed. I truly think he showed up and lost his nerve. That to me shows that he was not crazy and just confused. or....

There were still reports of multiple shooters. I mean, how to you mistake 2 people for holding a gun. I may not remember what they are wearing but I would know if there were 'TWO' people with weapons. Maybe the second shooter bailed and then this kid got scared and hid?

Thats what really sticks out to me in this, and really, all the other events.

How is it possible that there are ALWAYS reports of multiple shooters, only to have it turn out to be one?


If theres any type of shady business going on with these shootings, THAT is the key factor.

captaintyinknots

matafuchs
They stated that they were there that night on the scanner feeds. The tarps are SOP for these types of events now and I think in this case it was lucky they were not needed. I truly think he showed up and lost his nerve. That to me shows that he was not crazy and just confused. or....

There were still reports of multiple shooters. I mean, how to you mistake 2 people for holding a gun. I may not remember what they are wearing but I would know if there were 'TWO' people with weapons. Maybe the second shooter bailed and then this kid got scared and hid?

Thats what really sticks out to me in this, and really, all the other events.

How is it possible that there are ALWAYS reports of multiple shooters, only to have it turn out to be one?


If theres any type of shady business going on with these shootings, THAT is the key factor.

How about the fact that it was an FBI SWAT unit that "found" Shoop. That's suspicious.

reply to post by Mikeultra


Why is that suspicious? Thats what they were there to do.