Reparations or War

Found this interesting and thought i would share with the ATS'er
Quicky on how germany paid reparations to the world


Treaty of Versailles 1919.

The Treaty of Versailles (French: Traité de Versailles) was one of the peace treaties at the end of World War I. It ended the state of war between Germany and the Allied Powers. It was signed on 28 June 1919, exactly five years after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. The other Central Powers on the German side of World War I were dealt with in

The main points of the Treaty..

1.The Allied and Associated Governments affirm and Germany accepts the responsibility of Germany and her allies for causing all the loss and damage to which the Allied and Associated Governments and their nationals have been subjected as a consequence of the war imposed upon them by the aggression of Germany and her allies.

2.Germany had to pay £6,600 million for the damage done during the war.(This number is said to be a lot more).

3. Germany was forbidden to have submarines or an air force. She could have a navy of only six battleships, and an Army of just 100,000 men. In addition, Germany was not allowed to place any troops in the Rhineland, the strip of land, 50 miles wide, next to France.

4.Germany lost Territory in Europe, Germany’s colonies were given to Britain and France.

And

The Rhineland area was to be kept free of German military personnel and weapons. AND germany was forbidden to join the League of Nations or unite with Austria.



WW2 Potsdam Conference

The Potsdam Conference was held at Cecilienhof, the home of Crown Prince Wilhelm Hohenzollern, in Potsdam, occupied Germany, from 17 July to 2 August 1945. (In some older documents it is also referred to as the Berlin Conference of the Three Heads of Government of the USSR, USA and UK.

So more rule's for Germany

1. First thing on the list Setting up of a tribunal to try senior Nazi leaders for war crimes at the Nuremberg Trials.

2: Democratization of Germany, and the elimination of all Nazi influence in Germany, known as de-Nazification. Well we all know that didn't happen.

3: East Prussia, including the city of Konigsberg, to become part of Russia; Polish border to be moved about 200 miles west to the Oder-Neisse line.

So if you want to go to war with somebody perpear for Reparations.
After reading about this i found germany was let off lightly.With what they did that is.

Crime doesn't pay...or in this case is does.

The Treaty of Versailles was one of the worst miscalculation the USA/France and Uk ever did.

Fact is World War 1 was everyone fault. We all were to blame, there was no good side or bad side.

Punnishing Germany to such a extent garrenteed a hard core right wing nut job would rise to power. The Treaty of Versailles lead to Germany being turned into a third world poverty striken hell whole. If I was German I would have been damed pissed at being forced to live in humiliating squaler at the whims of the UK/France and USA, I would want my nation restored and revenge. And thats what Hitler promised.

If there was no Treaty of Versailles there most likley would have been no Hitler.


As for getting off lighter after world war 2? Well with 7 million dead and haveing to live with the humiliation of letting the haulcaust happen? I think that pretty damed punishment enough, the shame still lingers on the German people. Another Treaty of Versailles would have just garenteed another Hitler arising and another big war.

reply to post by crazyewok


You're completely wrong on WWI being "everyone's fault." WWI is, in fact, one of the only wars where the exact person responsible can be pointed out: Gavrilo Princip. Once he shot the Austrian Archduke, the rest was just an out of control spiral based on alliances.

ShadeWolf
reply to post by crazyewok

 

You're completely wrong on WWI being "everyone's fault." WWI is, in fact, one of the only wars where the exact person responsible can be pointed out: Gavrilo Princip. Once he shot the Austrian Archduke, the rest was just an out of control spiral based on alliances.

No world war 1 was set in stone the assination or the Archduke just helped give a reason.

The fact is Europe wanted a war. Germany wanted to test out its new power and the UK hadnt had a good war since the Crimea and seemed to long for a "glorius" war Ala the Napolionic wars, something to put the worlds growing nationlism into action and forge its next generation of young men. People actually seemed to want one, expected one, this was time were Europes pasttime was fighting each other. People honnestly thought it would be some simple afair like the last wars. It was only when SHTF and the real horrors of all the new tec surfaced the it was to late to stop.

Fact is if the Arch Duke hadnt been shot some other reason would have surfaced.

reply to post by crazyewok

The Treaty of Versailles lead to Germany being turned into a third world poverty striken hell whole.

I remember the infamous pictures and stories showing people using wheelbarrows full of almost worthless "cash" just to buy a loaf of bread.

Regardless of the reasons for the economic disaster and public morale being in the toilet, the conditions there were more than ripe for the rise of a leader like Hitler and his version of the Nazi party.

I think/hope the world has learned from that and has gotten better at dancing along the fine-edged blade that comes with dealing fairly and commensurately with a post-war losing country.

It seems we've done a little better since the post WWI fiasco. Some better than others...

crazyewok
The Treaty of Versailles was one of the worst miscalculation the USA/France and Uk ever did.

Fact is World War 1 was everyone fault. We all were to blame, there was no good side or bad side.

Punnishing Germany to such a extent garrenteed a hard core right wing nut job would rise to power. The Treaty of Versailles lead to Germany being turned into a third world poverty striken hell whole. If I was German I would have been damed pissed at being forced to live in humiliating squaler at the whims of the UK/France and USA, I would want my nation restored and revenge. And thats what Hitler promised.

If there was no Treaty of Versailles there most likley would have been no Hitler.


As for getting off lighter after world war 2? Well with 7 million dead and haveing to live with the humiliation of letting the haulcaust happen? I think that pretty damed punishment enough, the shame still lingers on the German people. Another Treaty of Versailles would have just garenteed another Hitler arising and another big war.

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The US never ratified the treaty of Versailles and ended up sighning a seperate peace with Germany in 1921. Since the US was outside the League of Nations and the treaty of Versailles they did a lot to try and lift the reperations and restrictions against Germany. Of course we would later learn that neither the French nor the UK had the will to enforce the treaty anway leading to them being behind the curve ball in WW2.

Talk about the treaty of Versailles, and I start thinking about Italian economics minister Padoan!

The treaty of Versailles was not a reparations treaty. It was a provocation treaty, specifically designed by European ruling elites to wreck the German economy, in order to later allow Hitler's rise to power. In other words, after failing political objective with WW1, european ruling elites, have created the proper conditions to actually lead to WW2 and they did it on purpose.

Now, is Padoan actually doing the same against Italy? Destroy its economy to allow for the rise of a nazi-like dictatorship that according to EU's ruling elites would launch wars all across the Mediterranean sea, a bit like Venice started the crusades to save Venetian and Papal ruling elites.

originally posted by: MrSpad

crazyewok
The Treaty of Versailles was one of the worst miscalculation the USA/France and Uk ever did.

Fact is World War 1 was everyone fault. We all were to blame, there was no good side or bad side.

Punnishing Germany to such a extent garrenteed a hard core right wing nut job would rise to power. The Treaty of Versailles lead to Germany being turned into a third world poverty striken hell whole. If I was German I would have been damed pissed at being forced to live in humiliating squaler at the whims of the UK/France and USA, I would want my nation restored and revenge. And thats what Hitler promised.

If there was no Treaty of Versailles there most likley would have been no Hitler.


As for getting off lighter after world war 2? Well with 7 million dead and haveing to live with the humiliation of letting the haulcaust happen? I think that pretty damed punishment enough, the shame still lingers on the German people. Another Treaty of Versailles would have just garenteed another Hitler arising and another big war.

The US never ratified the treaty of Versailles and ended up sighning a seperate peace with Germany in 1921..

As a result of which is any sparkling wine can referred to as champagne in the US but not the UK.

My favourite useless fact. I need to get out more.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MrSpad


The US never ratified the treaty of Versailles and ended up sighning a seperate peace with Germany in 1921..

As a result of which is any sparkling wine can referred to as champagne in the US but not the UK.

My favourite useless fact. I need to get out more.

I always wondered why they bothered to say "French Chamagne" in movies and suchlike.

I shall be sure to order by brand if I ever win it big in Vegas

a reply to: crazyewok

The scars of WWII are still fresh and pink throughout Europe. The UK appears to have weathered its horrors the best (respect for the hard British nose and stiff British lip), but the scars in mainland Europe stand out starkly. The pacifist nature of Europe stands in sharp contrast to the more hawkish US and to a lesser degree UK population. Germanys wide eyed embracing of refugees....trying to correct the mistakes of their past.

Its interesting to consider, anyway.

a reply to: coolcatt

It could be said that between the Treaty of Versailles and the economic misery that came with it and the Great Depression, it created conditions that allowed the Reich to rise to power in Germany which in the end created a far worse monster for the world to deal with.

prezi.com...

The German government was right wing all through World War I and didn't like the conditions of the treaty, so they did not support the Weimar Republic. The financial conditions imposed on the country by the treaty also created hardship and hyperinflation, so the people were pretty well guaranteed to not support the Republic either.

Between all that misery, the stage was set for an internal political revolution promising to end the way things were, and it is a lesson the world should learn that the Nazis (indeed, fascists all over Europe were making their play alongside the Communists who were their main competitors -- hence, left/right in Europe) were the group to do it in Germany. They tapped into populist and nationalist sentiments created by the harsh conditions of the treaty and an government imposed by it and never supported by the country as a whole.