Pentagon training manual: white males have unfair advantages

As a southern white christian, I agree that we still have an advantage in society. It's less open than in the past, but it still exists. The only place in Texas where people are truly color blind when it comes to race is football.

This goes part and parcel with the taxpayer funded racial sensitivity training they were going to do in Wisconsin that was going to have students wear white guilt bracelets.

Does that remind anyone of anything?

When all the wheels come off society's wagon, they will need scapegoats, and we're being set up for the blame.

Gotta get myself into that "black male club" before it starts being attacked.

Wait a minute, all these clubs center around males? Where are the female clubs? Every race needs a female club now.

Okay, let's all stop identifying ourselves as people and start identifying with our genders and races. It seems to be what we're supposed to be doing since all these programs are in place to make sure we compartmentalize ourselves as much as possible.

Because nothing teaches people to get along and judge others on character and actions like the government sanctioned bureaucratic machine dividing them all into race and gender groups.

thisguyrighthere
Gotta get myself into that "black male club" before it starts being attacked.

Wait a minute, all these clubs center around males? Where are the female clubs? Every race needs a female club now.

Okay, let's all stop identifying ourselves as people and start identifying with our genders and races. It seems to be what we're supposed to be doing since all these programs are in place to make sure we compartmentalize ourselves as much as possible.

Because nothing teaches people to get along and judge others on character and actions like the government sanctioned bureaucratic machine dividing them all into race and gender groups.

It's sad, but we are caving. We're getting my husband DNA tested this spring so he can actually prove his Native American heritage beyond just his adoption packet. We see the writing on the wall, and figure at least it might cover him and our son if need be. And you have no idea how much it kills me to have to write that.

reply to post by wulff


I just don't understand this.

1 I'm in the Army. We have MANY leaders of color.

PSGs, 1SGs, Company commanders, battalion SGMs and commanders, down to the squad leaders. The notion that somehow one group has an advantage over the other in the military is stupid and insulting. You get what you put in. You want to be promoted? Study up for the promotion board, get a good PT test score, do your army and civilian education requirements, set yourself apart from your peers and get some awards, stay out of trouble.

That's all it takes. Period. I have NEVER seen anyone who is following that formula not move ahead. We don't have the luxury of disobeying lawful orders because we don't like the black or hispanic guy. You disobey lawful orders and they will take your pay, give you extra duty, they will take your rank, or simply kick you out of the Army. In most extreme cases they will jail you.

There is NO room in the military for racist garbage. One provable case of an equal opportunity violation and they will boot you out and take all the pay and benefits they can from you.

Kaploink
As a southern white christian, I agree that we still have an advantage in society. It's less open than in the past, but it still exists. The only place in Texas where people are truly color blind when it comes to race is football.

And that's crap, too.

My husband works at the freakin' UN (well not really, but in terms of employee origin, it might as well be - Chinese, Indian, German, Israeli, South American of various nationalities, American of various ethnicities, you name it ... the company itself is German). He does hiring and firing for his department. All he cares about when he sees your resume and your interview is whether or not you can do the job.

So, if he doesn't have any people of color, it isn't because he wouldn't hire them based on race; it's because they aren't applying and getting their resumes through to his desk. How many people of color go into STEM professions and make it?

Having been in the inner city and taught for three years there, I can tell you that precious few of those kids will ever get out of school with anything approaching a good education, but it isn't the fault of white America. You have to look at their culture. They live like perpetual victims. "I can't because The Man is keeping me down!" That's bull. They won't try and blame it on others. Those who do get on just fine, but that's precious few.

If it was all chalked up to racism, none of the blacks who immigrate in from the Caribbean and Africa would succeed and many do.

so whats on the chopping block next,,ban on good parenting,, because it gives an un-fair advantage??

reply to post by projectvxn

Yah, but did you notice in the title page top left corner its from The Tuskegee Airmen? That was the first black fighter squadron in the US in WWII. This document was directed at them in a surely more rascist atmosphere than today. It was designed primarily to help the pilots (who were officers) to deal with those issues which invariably arose in the predominantly white officer leadership of that era.

Top left of page

There was really no need though. They were as qualified as others in the combat arena. They never lost a bomber due to German fighters that they escorted and were often requested for escort duty once word of this spread.

They also conducted more successful raids on ground targets in more operations, theaters and for longer than any of their white counterparts. Much of the gun camera footage from WWII was from their target runs.

I guess they had something to prove.

BobAthome
so whats on the chopping block next,,ban on good parenting,, because it gives an un-fair advantage??

Yes! Thank you. Those kids who had parents (plural) who cared were the ones on their way out. Those kids who had an extremely dedicated mother (very, very rare to see one dedicated father) were the next most likely to be walking to right line. The rest were almost certainly lost.

Do you know how very few fit the first two categories as opposed to the last one?

And it wasn't an ethnicity thing. I worked at a school that had about 30 different languages represented in it. So I saw a lot of kids in those categories of all backgrounds. The common denominator was culture - parents and parent involvement and whether or not there was a taking of responsibility for personal success or failure.

OMG ... I can't believe the politically correct drivel I'm seeing in this thread. How many of you white male DoD employees have ever filed an EO complaint when YOU were discriminated against?

That's right ... probably not one of you ... because you probably can't!!

White males cannot be discriminated against ... unless that discrimination is based directly on their age. That's it, the only exception, no other ... and you've gotta be over forty even. Some female gets in your face ... prepare to tough it out, dude. Some black guy walks up on you and tells you he despises your white you-know-what, suck it up!

White males have unfair advantages??? White males are at an extreme DISadvantage I'm afraid. You 'think' discrimination doesn't happen? You oughta hear the most senior leaders laugh and giggle about it when it happens and it happens all the time ... some people are just blissfully aware.

And as for all the lovey-dovey talk about combat ... yeah ... when someone's shooting at ya, I got that. But, you don't get shot at everyday and everyone eventually rotates back to real life where the problems DO exist. Anyone need to be reminded of the Soldier who lost his life to fellow soldiers up in the Fort Lewis area? Yeah ... lost his LIFE ... to discrimination. You can elevate the term discrimination to racism if you like, but if you maintain your perspective and your military bearing, you'll get my point.

!! Ignorance Denied !!
Snarl

reply to post by intrptr


No, I hadn't noticed that and thank you for pointing it out.

KeliOnyx
reply to post by Logarock

 

It is reality, even if you don't want to admit it. The fact is you don't feel as if your family has been particularly privileged. But the other fact is you simply do not know with any degree of certainty what all was factored into your son's application being accepted. All you know is that he worked very hard and did get in. But you simply do not know whether or not a person of a different ethnic background that worked just as hard didn't get in because they were ethnically different.

Just because the view from your particular fish bowl says otherwise doesn't make it a matter to ignore.

Is the current system we use to achieve that goal perfect? No it isn't, and that largely stems from people that like you that do not feel particularly privileged refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem and therefore do not work to find better more equitable solutions.

You need to address the reality, in the aforementioned manual, that white economic stratification is not addressed at all there.....or anywhere unless some lib is blowing smoke up the white Appellation Mountain azz. The statements made are very general to whites as a homogenous economic and race group. The fact is when the white race in this country is approached with consideration of demographics and economic stratification, the result doesn't serve the purposes of the diatribe.

As well "Christianity" is tossed into the mix, namely white christians. The issue and point is a NON SEQUITOR considering that as a group, more blacks claim christian affiliation than whites. In the end it shouldn't be hard to see the gratuitous pejorative that "christianity" is being used as here.

And we don't live in a fish bowl. My son went to an elementary and high school that were 50/50 black/white. In Jr High he attended an alternative school that was 95% black. As a family we lived in a neighborhood that was 98% black. He dates black girls.

Anyway, the information contained in the above manual is something one would expect coming out of the mouth of 1970ish liberal race hater or self loather. These folks are way behind the times. The thing is the race ticket took them so far back in its day and they just cant let it go now. Whoever wrote this, anyone that supports it and perhaps yourself included are nothing but anachronisms from a by gone era, neo-race/sex anachronims, probably anti christian as well.

reply to post by KeliOnyx


"ike you that do not feel particularly privileged refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem"

privileged:3. Law
a. Protected by a legally recognized right against disclosure: privileged information.
b. Protected by a legally recognized right against a lawsuit for libel or slander.

in other words,,"a legally recognized right",,so this is a problem,,in your opinion?

and "privileged" is a universal,,value,,ie: applies to all humanity.

wulff
reply to post by Ameilia

 

That is what I get out of this, mainly "it's okay to treat white people poorly, but you have to watch everything you say or do to other races (non-Caucasian)!"

I am seeing something much worse here. They are saying that "white christian culture" produces fundamentally flawed leaders for the military. They are ascribing to whites across the board a fundamental illegitimacy based on very poor insinuations about the average white mans concept of "privilege".

reply to post by wulff


The ol' Divide and conquer psyop is being played well by the Department of Derangement.

They want you to get mad and defensive thats the trick. They really don't care either way. Look at the CIA's support of dictators and terrorists groups. "The Luciferians That Be" have been playing both sides of racism for centuries.

Panic2k11
reply to post by pointr97

 

We do not judge on race or color or creed, but whether you are a slug.

While this is intrinsically false whatever you consciously accept it or not, I get your point, but we, humans are attracted toward the similar and despise the different, this is hardwired in us and has served us good or we wouldn't be here today it still is a two edged sword and racism and group-think is one of the consequences...

We even have a hard time in discriminate individual faces of distant races, we also fail to identify emotional overtones in their expression. We can even find objectionable smells, air differences (even the lack of it) and body shapes, this without including cultural stupidity to the mixture.

I just wish that people stopped being so sensitive and politically correct and fully addressed the issues and the work required to overcome differences. In a few decades there will not be anymore extreme racial traits and a few decades later one will be hard pressed to find a distinction in skin color, even the beautiful reed aired ones will be gone in just a few generations...

That's not true at all. Indigenous tribal africans have been where they are for two thousand years.
To say they will not be in 80 is kidding yourself. Also believing that every color we have right now will not have tried and true hold outs is about as kidding yourself as well..

intrptr
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Yah, but did you notice in the title page top left corner its from The Tuskegee Airmen? That was the first black fighter squadron in the US in WWII. This document was directed at them in a surely more rascist atmosphere than today. It was designed primarily to help the pilots (who were officers) to deal with those issues which invariably arose in the predominantly white officer leadership of that era.

Top left of page

There was really no need though. They were as qualified as others in the combat arena. They never lost a bomber due to German fighters that they escorted and were often requested for escort duty once word of this spread.

They also conducted more successful raids on ground targets in more operations, theaters and for longer than any of their white counterparts. Much of the gun camera footage from WWII was from their target runs.

I guess they had something to prove.

i'm not sure if i understand your post. are you implying that,The Tuskegee Airmen are still a active unit?
i'm pretty sure they are not, although there was a 332d AEW activated during the war in iraq, which was deactivated in 2012, that unit was seen as a descendant of the WWII unit.

and as far as this being written for them, (if i'm understanding you post) it wasn't.
the "The Tuskegee Airmen" your talking about in the top left corner is a address.
it is a common practice, to name streets and buildings after units or individuals on military installations. such as as in this case.

here is a shot of the cover. the left hand corner is a address, and on the right is the date it was published.

DEOMI - Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute

these are the people that published the document.

White people are not white they are peach.

Black people are not black they are shades of brown.

Bugs Bunny is a grey hare and eats a orange carrot.

This is silly.

pointr97
I actually find that insulting.....I grew up in a small town of Oklahoma, very homogeneous.....My first real experience with a black male was my first roommate at West Point....He is to this day one of my dearest friends and we would take a bullet for each other. My class are now LTCs, and again, this is not what the Army Thinks. We do not judge on race or color or creed, but whether you are a slug.

That's the army - it has always led the way on integration. Now the Air Force, the army's reciprocal organization, is turning into a fundamentalist christian thang (don't quite know what to call it)..

See the documentary "Constantine's Sword". ScuttleButt is that it's getting better but...

BobAthome
reply to post by KeliOnyx

 

"ike you that do not feel particularly privileged refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem"

privileged:3. Law
a. Protected by a legally recognized right against disclosure: privileged information.
b. Protected by a legally recognized right against a lawsuit for libel or slander.

in other words,,"a legally recognized right",,so this is a problem,,in your opinion?

and "privileged" is a universal,,value,,ie: applies to all humanity.

That is ONE definition for the word Privileged and as noted in your quote, without source I might add, the THIRD defintion of the word.

Very poor form.