Massive amounts of methane spewing from the Arctic

Anyone ever read Under A Green Sky? www.amazon.com...

Scary stuff and this is just the beginning. No good news here, I'm afraid.

tymothymichel
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

you all are smoking some serious stuff out there. I've seen and heard all the doom sayers starting from stuff written over 2 thousand years ago and yet....here we all are...still here. Go relax, have a sandwich, watch an old episode of seifeld or something. Eventually our species will die off but it ain't gonna be tomorrow, and it'll probably be the same way all the rest of them went. Next you'll be writing that the dinosaurs smoked too many cigars and died of fast food consumption...or blow back radiation from their nuke plants. Take a pill.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

JonnyMnemonic

webedoomed
reply to post by jjkenobi

 

It's worse than that. He doesn't know that fires and explosions happen all the time. Him and this other chump look for events happening within the nation, and try to erroneously tie them into this theory, completely disregarding the fact that thousands of said events happen yearly nationwide, every year, for many decades now.

The methane issue is real, but it has yet to truly erupt. The guy doesn't even realize that it's normal for CH4 concentrations to rise the higher the latitude, and confuses a 1700 rating for spikes that are 1950-2100. It's still 1700 in most parts of the word, most of the time.

Not trying to downplay the methane releases, but also trying to combat misinformation.

So why is it that Britain says underground fires and explosions tripled from 2011 to 2012? Oh, you didn't know that? Hah, well, you're not very informed. Did you know insurers are dropping recycling facilities and raising rates hugely for those still willing to take the risk, because fires at recycling facilities are escalating tremendously? Didn't know that? Then you're not very informed. Did you know that the explosions and fires in vehicles have gotten so terrible in Vietnam that their government is having a special meeting just about that? Didn't know that? Well, obviously you're just, like, asleep, totally uninformed. Might wanna wake up before you don't ever wake up again.

Car explosions are happening in Vietnam because the fuel suppliers are using sub-standard fuel and not checking the octane ratings:

www.thanhniennews.com...

Underground explosions in London are happening because the electricity companies aren't maintaining their infra-structure (deja vu Railtrack):

www.bbc.co.uk...

Hi, i found an article from 2009 : Scientists say they have evidence that the powerful greenhouse gas methane is escaping from the Arctic sea-bed.



webcache.googleusercontent.com...:news.bbc.co.uk...

Sorry if the link doe'snt work im not sure how to do it properly.

Rezlooper

tymothymichel
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

you all are smoking some serious stuff out there. I've seen and heard all the doom sayers starting from stuff written over 2 thousand years ago and yet....here we all are...still here. Go relax, have a sandwich, watch an old episode of seifeld or something. Eventually our species will die off but it ain't gonna be tomorrow, and it'll probably be the same way all the rest of them went. Next you'll be writing that the dinosaurs smoked too many cigars and died of fast food consumption...or blow back radiation from their nuke plants. Take a pill.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

I talk about trends starting now, that I estimate won't take full effect
for hundreds of years, yet showing a glimmer of intelligence is
characterized as being a 'chicken little' and draws low-quality
strawman attacks as a response. *shakes head*

Time to bring just a little bit of sanity to this absolutely absurd thread:

Fires have decreased dramatically over the decades!!

National Fire Protection Association

Guess what?! There's a vehicle fire every 96 seconds in the US... that's a lot!! .. however, there are over 300 million people in the US. WTH did you expect??

Look at the last data point from 2011. A full year after the first reports of methane releases in the arctic. over 187k fires in the US that year. That's over 500 a day! Yet the chumps in this thread are freaked for a dozen or so that's reported, which he compiles links for and tries to freak people out with. Drama queen!!

JonnyMnemonic

superman2012
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

Not discounting your idea whatsoever (in fact I find myself nodding while reading) just saying with the "noticing" of buses, it may just be that you are looking for it.

My bday is 7/27. I notice the time 7:27 at least once or twice every few days. Along with my testing at the water plants I go to the pH of the water is frequently 7.27 the iron has been .727 the manganese have been the same. I also drive right by highway 727.

Not saying it is nothing, but it might just be that you are noticing them because you are noticing them.

I was looking for bus fires two years ago too. There are way more now. You know who REALLY noticed them? Bus drivers. They were threatening to strike in coastal Perth because so many buses were going up in flames. That could kill them, so that was understandable. Same thing on the island of Malta and many other places. You can read through the monthly fire logs and see the escalation. I'm not looking any harder for bus fires now than I was two years ago either.

This will get more obvious once more children are incinerated. There've been SOME children incinerated in buses already, but apparently, for people to wake up, they need to see a LOT of children being incinerated. Kind of a shame, that, especially for the kids who end up burning to death, and their parents.

I don't think anyone wants ANY children dead. *eyeroll*
Is there any evidence that this gas is causing the fires while leaving everything else in its wake fine? You would think with such a large concentration of methane, it wouldn't just follow buses around. Maybe it's just me though and I missed the study where methane was attracted to buses. Especially buses with children on them.
Feel free to set me on the right path though. With sources of course.

JonnyMnemonic
Six more buses have burned in the last two days, incidentally, plus two more started smoking. And two passenger planes have made emergency landings in the last two days too, because of smoke in the cockpit. Working on those updates now. Hard to keep up these days! Two years ago it was much easier, since there just weren't nearly as many semi/bus/boat fires or homes exploding. Oh yeah, several more homes have exploded and burned too, at least four in the last two days. (But maybe more, still going through the data.)

So were the planes grounded because of methane or H2S in your mind?

Methane has been spewing into the ocean at points all over the planet since there has been a planet. Why am I supposed to think that all of a sudden it's responsible for every unexplainable and inhospitable situation known to man?

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Obviously because buses in Perth are catching fire and manholes in England are doing the same.

What other conclusion can there be!?

elysiumfire
KrzYma:

Scary. So, how much time left till the start of dying?

Well, we are seeing mass die-offs in the animal kingdom, more in recent years I believe. Certainly marine life has been affected, and birds. There have been human deaths from gas escapes in villages in Africa, but not from methane gas, but from toxic hydrogen sulphide gas seeping up out of the ground and suffocating the people of the village.

If you think of the planet as a sealed room full of oxygen, but the floor is cracked and methane is seeping into the room and floating up to the ceiling, where it spreads out. Some of the methane is oxidised by the oxygen so we end up with 3 main gases in the room, and traces of others: oxygen, methane, and carbon dioxide. The methane is still seeping into the room, but the oxygen is not being replenished, so in time, pretty fast in this scenario, one would soon find it difficult to breathe, and eventually one would fall unconscious and suffocate.

Now apply this scenario to planet-scale...it is going to take years, but bear in mind that we only breathe oxygen, all other gases tend to be detrimental to our health and consciousness. Planet-wide, oxygen is being replenished, and as long as oxygen holds sway against the other gases, we can survive. The thing is, we have reduced the oxygen replenishment mechanisms on the planet. The seas acting as sinks for carbon dioxide are saturated, which is why we are seeing slight temperature variations around the globe. What we don't want is methane to be released into the atmosphere. It is a far stronger greenhouse gas, and takes oxygen out of the atmosphere leaving carbon dioxide.

Of course there are other gases, but we can't breathe them. The imperilment lies in the ratio of oxygen to other gases, particularly methane and carbon dioxide. Our life environment is just one layer in various layers of the atmosphere. From sea level to around 8000 metres, very much like a sealed room, only planet-size. The time it would take for methane to become the dominant atmospheric gas could take up to 2000 years, but extinctions of oxygen-breathing life forms would probably start occurring long before that.

What has been causing mass bird deaths? Did they fly into a dense methane bubble in the atmosphere, become unconscious and drop to the ground? Similar occurrences of large shoals of fish and marine mammal deaths, can we attribute these deaths to methane and carbon dioxide causes? If it becomes evidential that we can, then I would say we're in trouble. One would expect to see marine and flying animals suffer first as oxygen begins to lose its dominant ratio.

If we are only seeing methane release in the northern hemisphere, that alone would be a clue to man's direct influence, as the northern hemisphere has been the dominant industrial polluter. If methane release is occurring globally, then the cause may be more natural, with man's influence adding only slightly. Whatever is driving the release is not good, let's hope it abates.

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Now factor in how fast we are deforesting the planet. Whether we like it or not we get most of our air from trees. In the amazon alone man cuts thousands of acres a day let alone in a year. Nature helps us. Few know Louisiana has some of the largest forest in America, but one hurricane killed a large amount. This scenario happens around the globe, so yes we are not helping by purposely clear cutting thousands of acres. It would not be so bad if they replanted, but in much of the world they don't.

This is a resource we literally can't live without. In the amazon it is cut mostly to farm but then it is not done correctly and it the soil is made barren and the farmer moves on to cut more trees down. In one acre of rain forest may hold the cure to cancers and is lost forever. Happens everyday.

Honestly, methane is the least of our worries. But, we could use the free energy. It burns relatively clean and is much cheaper than oil. But the oil companies and the one percent won't tell you that.

The Bot

A film people should be forced to watch by law: Chasing Ice (2012)

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More and more red waters being reported around the world. Here is the latest story out of the Netherlands where a normally pristine river has turned red. The most likely cause...bacteria and algae blooms. It's hard to deny that there has been a great increase in these algae blooms, red tides and red waters all over the world and many of these are also the cause of some of the fish die-offs. The warming climate is the suspect in these cases.

In an important paper published in 2008, Stephanie Moore, an expert on toxic algae with NOAA, highlighted the concerns in the scientific community about how ocean acidification, the ugly step-child of climate change, could contribute to the rise of toxic algal species:

“A more acidic environment would favor, among others, the dinoflagellates – the group of phytoplankton to which most harmful algae belong,” Moore wrote.

Trainer, a co-author on the paper, suggests we may be entering a “dinoflagellate regime.”

River turns red in the Netherlands

I myself saw red waters for the first time this summer in Phillips, WI, way up in the northwoods. I took the family to go swimming at the beach on their popular lake and the entire lake was red. I swam in it anyways as there were a few others. I asked a local resident about it and he said it was from Tannin, from the local logging operations. I'm not sure if I buy that though because I've grown up on the north woods lakes and I've never seen anything like it. Tannin usually comes from decaying wood and stained lakes from it usually resemble a color more of a tea color to black coffee, not a bright red as I saw this lake. That's usually from an algae bloom. I'm not an expert on the issue, and obviously it's not getting any news coverage so the local DNR probably said it's not a health concern and that it's definitely Tannin.

Anyways, regardless of the cause, the waters were red and it was fascinating.

Here are a few other reports of red waters that gained worldwide attention this past year.

There have been other recent incidents of water turning red, one happening in Australia of last year, except this time it was on a beach: The crimson tide: Tourists in Australia flee as Bondi Beach turns into the 'Red Sea' because of rare algae bloom.

Last year residents in China close to the Yangtze river woke up to a big surprise when the huge river had turned into a sea of red: Yangtze River Turns Red and Turns Up a Mystery.

Last year, a river in Beirut also turned red, alarming residents: Beirut river turns blood red

Explosive growth of bacteria may be affecting a lot more than just red waters as I wrote a thread about it under the dangerous gas theory;

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are various types of microbes that eat methane. They live deep underground and they live 30,000 feet into the air. Basically, they are everywhere and they feed off methane hydrates.

The theory goes something like this. The more methane increases it becomes a feeding frenzy for the microbes. What happens when these microbes have more than enough to eat? They multiply. As methane release increases, there is naturally going to be a rapid increase in the microbes that feed.

Through the evolution of bacteria over millions of years you can expect that other species of bacteria can also experience growth. As one species of bacteria rapidly increases, others will follow. I propose in this theory that as the microbes continuously feed on the increased methane hydrates, other bacteria are following the lead, thus, literally thousands of species of bacteria and viruses are experiencing phenomenal growth all over the planet.

Rezlooper

tymothymichel
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

you all are smoking some serious stuff out there. I've seen and heard all the doom sayers starting from stuff written over 2 thousand years ago and yet....here we all are...still here. Go relax, have a sandwich, watch an old episode of seifeld or something. Eventually our species will die off but it ain't gonna be tomorrow, and it'll probably be the same way all the rest of them went. Next you'll be writing that the dinosaurs smoked too many cigars and died of fast food consumption...or blow back radiation from their nuke plants. Take a pill.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

I hope he's right and you are wrong, too.

But, math says he is not.

Every type of pseudo-ELE has happened before and will again. And, the more people you have on the planet (doubled since the 70s, and will again before 2025) the more damage that will be done and the easier the human-caused forms will be to occur.

Nevermind, the ways in which MAN can end things (disease/pandemic (antibiotics), nuclear exchange, resource control, weather control gone-arry and/or climate change not brought under control, etc)...

...but, think about the COSMIC events that happen all the time (relatively speaking), that we have no control over (CME, meteor/asteroid strike, super-volcano eruption, earthquake, etc) that WILL happen again and again.

2,000 years is nothing on the 200,000 plus that man has roamed the planet. But, we have evolved more in the last 5 than the last 20, the last 20 than the last 50, the last 50 than the last 500, and so on - a LOT of damage to be done at this stage of our development as a civilization.

Either way, log off ATS every once and awhile and make sure you're enjoying yourself as much as possible (this is a good rule, no matter) :-)

reply to post by JonnyMnemonic


Excellent post. I suspect your incisive correlations are absolutely correct.

You have provided such a distinguished service to awakening minds.