CDC - We've Reached The End of Antibiotics

crimvelvet
Since lemon Juice and vinegar have a pH of around 2 you can make a solution of tap water and lemon juice or vinegar that is about pH 4.

If nothing else, you can use lemon juice to get bleach off your hands. It works in a split second. No more bleach stink.

crimvelvet
reply to post by Bedlam

 

If you want something easier on wound beds, we used to use silvadene

Yes, My vet makes up the stuff for us. Also once healing starts apply Vitamin E (Direct from the capsules) on the scap to minimize scaring.

Also for animals apply NOTHING but water if you think the wound needs stitching.

We used to use some sort of polysorbate wound detergent, it doesn't hurt at all, but it gets dirt out pretty well. I can't recall the name.

I read that adding silver made the anti biotics work 1000 times better. Then there are silver plasters and band aids. So I shall continue taking my colloidal silver when ever its required. So you can laugh all you want an call me a blue man, but I dont care. Better than taking those not so good Anti biotics.

I very rarely go to a doctor but a few years ago I got a pimple on my rear end. I kept it clean and put neosporin on it but it got bigger anyway. I thought it will go away but it didn't. It kept growing. Finally I couldn't sit down, my daughters insisted I go to a doctor. I went to a emergency care place where my daughter worked. They took one look and sent me to a hospital.

The hospital admitted me and started antibiotics. They wouldn't work, they kept trying but nothing was working. They told me they had one last thing to try, the nuclear bomb of antibiotics. It worked and they saved my leg.

Point is, I have really never taken antibiotics more than a couple times in my life. I think it's not if you go to the doctor too much, it's if everyone else does.

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That's a curious thing for the CDC to come out and say...very doomish.

It's strange because they are fully aware, along with the DoD, DARPA, the Navy and others, that research has come up with mimicking animal reactions to infections, something called 'defensis' attacks cells that contain no colesterol. Our cells all contain it, so are left alone - bacteria and fungi don't have this, and so these defensis things attack and kill them by perforating their cell membranes, curing the infection.

Lab studies have shown that this approach, rather than the traditional antibiotic one, is much faster, more efficient, without any side effects to the person and has the added advantage of the bacteria and fungi cannot mutate or adapt to avoid being targetted and killed by them...so no worries about resistence crop up.

There's a thread on here about it right now (think it's Bedlam's thread).

Animal trials have finished, and all is going very well. Human trials have just started i believe, and the results are expected to be very promising.

So really...unless the CDC meant antibiotics are finished because we are on the verge of having something MUCH better at our dispposal, they are trying to frighten people, for some weird reason.

Bedlam
We used to use some sort of polysorbate wound detergent, it doesn't hurt at all, but it gets dirt out pretty well. I can't recall the name.

Ah. Found it. What you want is 'Shur-clens', it's good for man or beast. It's a wound detergent. No antiseptics or antibacterials, no irritation, no stinging, just a good cleaner. You can shoot it right into the wound and scrub. Gets out dried blood and dirt like magic.

MysterX
It's strange because they are fully aware, along with the DoD, DARPA, the Navy and others, that research has come up with mimicking animal reactions to infections, something called 'defensis' attacks cells that contain no colesterol. Our cells all contain it, so are left alone - bacteria and fungi don't have this, and so these defensis things attack and kill them by perforating their cell membranes, curing the infection.

That's what Tajlakz and myself were discussing - brilacidin is the first version that's coming out, it's going to be a topical like neosporin and, I think, a mouthwash for chemotherapy sores. Once that's out they'll be resuming testing on the IV version.

There was a delay while the originator of the idea got too greedy, tried to come out with an unrelated coagulant drug that had issues, faked the data on that one, and got put out of business. The antibiotic line, which was never at issue, was purchased by Cellceutix for a song. Cellceutix is a bit past the midway of FDA testing on topical Brilacidin, AFAIK.

All I needed to see...

Srinivasan added that pharmaceutical companies are at least partially to blame for this problem, saying that they have neglected the development of new and more sophisticated antibiotics that could keep up with bacterial resistance because ‘there’s not much money to be made’ in this field.

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Yes, doctors do tend to over-prescribe antibiotics, and yes, then tend to do it more often as of late. To a degree, this is one of the many "blow back" scenarios of managed health care. Take the example of a urinary tract infection . With a waiting room full of people, your doctor may do a fast urine analysis in-house, then write you a script. He/she gets a fixed-fee for that. My wife just went to the doctor in pain for said infection, only to find out the prescribed antibiotic wasn't having any effect, and was actually making it worse (after a week). The doctor's office called her back to inform her that the lab results (they always send out to the lab as a backup) indicated she needed something stronger. Total time start to finish: 3 weeks. She is a strong healthy woman, so imagine this scenario with an elderly person, or infant.

So I'll blame the health insurance providers/lobby, who encourage revolving-door analysis by doctors whose hands are tied. This scenario will grow exponentially with Obamacare.

bigwig22

FlyersFan

beezzer
I blame the hand-sanitizers. Those home anti-bacterial soaps. They create a perfect environment to make resistant bacteria.

We use them. If I go shopping or to the movies or whatever, I pull it out and use it.
People are germy messes ... and I have issues with fighting germs due to my health situation.
We have dial (antibacterial) and Dawn dish soap (antibacterial) and goopy hand sanitizer in my
car and purse (antibacterial) ....

Then, it's all because people like you that are sooo affraid of germs and such that we are in a situation like that. We live in symbiose with them, we need those bacteries. Some of them helps us fight against more dangerous ones (the ones we actually need antibiotics for). Like my mother was saying back in the days : You must suck on some rocks to become strong. (meaning not being a germs freak and living as it comes).

Peace out and don't forget to sanitize your hands and tell all the people around you that the germs are out to get them!! Be very affraid!! Btw, release the cracken already!!

edit on 28-10-2013 by bigwig22 because: typo

Yep. These germaphobes don't realize that they are actually making things worse by sterilizing themselves every 20 minutes. Not only does it give the bacteria a chance to evolve and become more immune to their obsessive-compulsive intervention, but it also makes their immune system weaker over time. One step forwards two steps back. When the bacteria gets stronger it will harm other people too.

I hate seeing those parents who berate their kids about touching things and playing in the muck. "Don't pet cats around the neighborhood! - Don't play in the mud! - Don't pick up things you find on the street!"

When those kids get older they will be one of those unhealthy little nerds who has an allergic reaction to everything and catches a virus at the drop of a hat. We all knew at least one of those kids. Every classroom had a Milhouse, and I'm willing to bet their parents were OCD about germs in most cases.

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You're right on the money, only the IV version is what is being used against ABSSSI. As far as I know, the oral rinse for mucositis is the only topical formulation to be tested in the near term.

"Cellceutix’s biologists believe that there could be a ‘treasure chest’ of drugs waiting to be developed for several disease indications that may never have been thought of by PolyMedix." - PR from 10/21/13

I'm thinking a much higher tax bracket is in my future

Tajlakz
reply to post by Bedlam

 

You're right on the money, only the IV version is what is being used against ABSSSI. As far as I know, the oral rinse for mucositis is the only topical formulation to be tested in the near term.

"Cellceutix’s biologists believe that there could be a ‘treasure chest’ of drugs waiting to be developed for several disease indications that may never have been thought of by PolyMedix." - PR from 10/21/13

I'm thinking a much higher tax bracket is in my future

Ah - last I had heard of it Polymedix was looking at topical wound goop for ABSSSI. The IV version is much better, because I think it's going to be the holy grail of systemic infections.

Treasure chest, indeed.

Pardon?
Hand-sanitisers are generally alcohol based so it would be impossible for bacteria to become resistant to that.

You are talking about two different things here, sure alcohol kills germs but viral infections are caused by viruses in the body, antibiotics are engineered to kill viruses. and viruses aren't germs so alcohol has no effect!

wulff

Pardon?
Hand-sanitisers are generally alcohol based so it would be impossible for bacteria to become resistant to that.

You are talking about two different things here, sure alcohol kills germs but viral infections are caused by viruses in the body, antibiotics are engineered to kill viruses. and viruses aren't germs so alcohol has no effect!

edit on 30-10-2013 by wulff because: (no reason given)

Antibiotics, AKA antibacterials, kill bacteria, not viruses. A "germ" generally refers to a pathogenic microorganism, which could be a bacterium, virus, or something else like a fungi or eukaryotic parasite. Viruses are not considered to be "alive" in the scientific sense because they can't reproduce on their own without a host cell, but alcohol can be used to inactivate some viruses.

I investigated this a few years back and it has been leaking out all over the place. This is the first time I have heard of a high ranking official saying it though. Don't worry, drinking some prepared clay will work. Turmeric still works. Thyme works to a certain extent and so does oregano. Even activated charcoal can work on some. Hold onto a sparkplug wire on the lawnmower, that will kill a lot of microbes. Vitamin C may work, but I haven't researched that because I know that I can't tolerate vitamin C in high doses well. I can tolerate apple cider vinegar better.

Remember though, we need a variety of microbes to fight for us in our digestive system, they keep the populations of bad microbes down. Killing them off takes away our armies and makes our immune system overreact sometimes and this causes problems. Eat good natural foods and keep your energy level up, a weak body has a hard time fighting these things. Overbuilding your immune system is just as bad as having it to weak.

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Surely this cant apply to everyone? I am very pro germ, my grandfather has always told me that being that bit unclean, eating stuff that isnt necessarily clean and not taking pharmaceutical drugs will lead to a building and strengthening of the immune system. He has lived like this for his whole life and does not have any problems nor ever has been to a doctor.

If i take one pain killer a year, then i am already above my average. I eat out of date food regularly. I live in an unsanitary enviroment. And yet i NEVER get ill. My aunt, uncle, cousins ect will constantly take pain killers ect to cover up pain and treat illness, and so they are always picking up bugs.

So what i am saying is surely my body is not so used to antibiotics and i my children will be the same. But my cousins ect will have children that will be much more antibiotic resistant?

Is this how it works?

On a side note, how crazy is this? The first antibiotic was discovered in 1888. 125 years later and this is happening! I wonder if out bodys will continue to grow resistant to other things.

iksose7
So what i am saying is surely my body is not so used to antibiotics and i my children will be the same. But my cousins ect will have children that will be much more antibiotic resistant?

Is this how it works?

No. YOU are not resistant to antibiotics, the bacteria are.

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As Bedlam says iksose7, your resistance ramains the same, the bateria becomes more resistant as it mutates to evade the effects of the antibiotics.

So called 'Superbugs' are thought to be the result of massive overuse of antibiotics in farming and general healthcare over the last half century, these are bacteria that have become immune to almost all known antibiotics through repeated generations of mutation.

Gold and silver and copper remain quite effective against them though.

MysterX
Gold and silver and copper remain quite effective against them though.

I've heard of colloidal silver. But how do you get gold and copper??

RedCairo

MysterX
Gold and silver and copper remain quite effective against them though.

I've heard of colloidal silver. But how do you get gold and copper??

Nanoparticle gold coatings, solid copper door handles, push buttons, Gold plated instruments etc.

There are ways and means.

You can also make colloidal gold in the same way you make colloidal silver.

The thing is, gold is a fantastic anti-viral and antibacterial..but it is inert in the body if the particle size is too large. Bringing the particle size down using colloidal gold or silver allows the particles to be effective against viruses and bacteria.