The Biblical Account of the Creation - Debunked

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Time dilation can account for the 6 days of creation. It just falls to which perspective, or time frame, the creation story is told from.

Check out Gerald Schroeder's theory for one such possible explanation:

reply to post by Shadow Herder

we must admit that men have erred in their method of interpreting it.

Hit the nail on the head.

The Bible is not in error but the way we understand it.

Perfect example is the use of the word "DAY" in creation - as in Gen 1.

This NOT a literal 24 hr day nor a 1000 day period nor a 1000 year "day" period but as you correctly pointed it out - a "epoch".

Even in our time the word "day" will mean in different way depending in context.

Full Definition of EPOCH 1 a : an event or a time marked by an event that begins a new period or development b : a memorable event or date 2 a : an extended period of time usually characterized by a distinctive development or by a memorable series of events b : a division of geologic time less than a period and greater than an age 3 : an instant of time or a date selected as a point of reference (as in astronomy) See epoch defined for English-language learners » See epoch defined for kids »

www.merriam-webster.com...

Shadow Herder
Are we therefore to conclude that the Bible is a mere tissue of errors? No; but we must admit that men have erred in their method of interpreting it.

I think that the Bible book thingy makes a lot more sense after we apply the verses of the Bible to the verses of the Bible. "Judge not lest thee be judged." ... and the Bible does judge, and passes judgment on what is right and what is wrong. So, apply the standards the book judges by to the book that is judging. Use the scientific method to approach this hypothesis and theory, it holds up.

A cipher is a key to unlocking a code or encryption. Some have lost the cipher.

"Lose Cipher" can be "Lucifer".

Reversing words also reveals truisms about the source word.

They were NUDE in the garden of EDUN where MAN was created to NAMe things in said garden. Language and religion have intermingled over many generations to incorporate a certain amount of ... (arguably) ..dare I say "magic" into the etymology of words.

reply to post by swordwords


The flat world theory, could it be related to holographic universe?

peace.

reply to post by ILikeStars


I doubt Those words are some secret code or cipher

The bible was written waay before the english language existed.

reply to post by edmc^2


So if it wasnt a day and was actually an epoch/age, why wouldn't it just say that? The word existed back then.

It seems everytime the bible is proven wrong bible-believers just say it was metaphorical, how convenient. ..

Oannes
Those "days" were much,much longer than you think. Think millions if not billions of years. The Sumerians tell the same story with greater detail. The Bible is watered down and edited.

This is exactly one of the answers that made me expand my mind past the religous ideologies. Every single one of them.

There is always a "cop-out" answer for every single contradiction.

It seems that ancient man did'nt know what a day was. He really meant a billion years, or was it days.... But didn't know what a billion was. But they were so smart that they knew "god" created everything.

One thing they did know for sure was how to make their scripture so vague and dilluted that it could be interpreted differently by each and every person that read it.

Religion has been given thousands of years to make our lives better.

Tell me, how has that turned out?

It's time to move on from primitive thinking.

liejunkie01

It's time to move on from primitive thinking.

Onward with the technological age! Let's build space shuttles and find alien life so we can go wage war against them and take their precious resources!!! WOOOHOOOOO WHO'S WITH ME!?

A2D

Agree2Disagree

liejunkie01

It's time to move on from primitive thinking.

Onward with the technological age! Let's build space shuttles and find alien life so we can go wage war against them and take their precious resources!!! WOOOHOOOOO WHO'S WITH ME!?

A2D

If you got all of that out of my one sentence then wow.

Greed is corrupting technology.

I for one am all for bringing our troops home and spending the money to pave some roads.

We don't need to war over resources, but for some reason it happens that way, possibly because of primitive thinking.

How many religous wars have been fought throughout history? How many people have died in the name of god? How many victors thought/think god is on their side?

reply to post by liejunkie01


These aren't "religious" wars...these are power wars...It's all about that power...Look beyond the label and see the real motivation brother.

A2D

reply to post by arpgme


Religion has influenced language(s), then.

Science has proven the bible account of the creation of Earth and humans is just dead wrong.
The Adam and Eve story, which the Hebrews ripped off from the Summerians and changed,
is nothing more than one of many creation myths which have been debunked.

The story is scientifically impossible.

People clinging to their religious indoctrination of the creation myth need to learn how
to accept the truth of the situation ... that their religions are just flat out wrong on this.
They have been proven to be false. Deal with it. (and try not to have a hissy-fit and
scream at the scientists who have proven you wrong ... that's immature and ignorant)

End of discussion.

Op, how many of these same topic threads are you starting today? I guess I will copy and paste my reply in your OTHER thread on this exact same creation topic:

Most people end up thinking the bible and those who believe in it are stupid because they are just wrong about the bible, and ignorant Christians actually believe this stuff, so it's like, "See, they said it too, and they're stupid!"

First, you are not translating from the original language regarding the age of the earth. Genesis 1:1-2 does not say the Earth was created from nothing 6000 years ago. It says the Earth became without form and made void as in it was destroyed much as when a nasty hurricane devastates and area and nothing is left in it's wake.

If you read a story like that do you think suddenly there is a void of nothingness or that what was once there on the surface is gone? Well, that is exactly what the bible says, and Peter even speaks of the Age that was, this age, and the age that is to come. It's called an Aeon in Greek, and it refers to a time of existence where things change. The OT speaks of that age as well when the sons of God dwelled together before the fall of Lucifer and then God destroyed that time otherwise called Tuhu va Buhu in Hebrew.

Regarding Noah's flood, it does not say the entire world was flooded, but the earth which is "eretz" in Hebrew and can be viewed as dirt, region, city, or world. There is ancient Chinese record of a great flood that went to the top of Mt. Ararat, and in Genesis 6 we knew the reason for the flood was to wipe out the influx of the Nephilim who were offspring of angels and daughters of men, and that of Noah's race, only his family was left with a pure gene pool which if they had been infested as the other Adamic children, then the promise of the Messiah through that line would have been destroyed, and thus Noah and his family had to be saved, and the Geber /Nephilim had to be removed though some still were around after that and thus David killed Goliath. There are are other stories of giants like Og of Bashan.

Jesus said it would be just like the days of Noah when he returns, and we shall see these hybrid problem again. I think this explains much of the "alien" stories of hybrids.

I often wonder if people are just out to prove the bible wrong or are they really looking for truth? I do expect to get backlash from both God haters and Christians because they don't want to examine the original words of the bible, but like their traditions.

Maybe the Mods can merge these two thread:

Diversity in Races Disproves Literal Translation of Bibile

Which you posted : posted on Oct, 25 2013 @ 10:39 AM 20 minutes after this thread.

DustbowlDebutante

I was raised in a Missionary Baptist church here in the bible belt. When I was about 7 years old, I was absolutely wild about dinosaurs and treasured my National Geographic magazines and archeology books. One Sunday, after the service, I asked the preacher, "Why aren't there any dinosaurs in the bible?" to which he replied, "Because dinosaurs aren't real. They are pretend. There is no such thing as dinosaurs and never has been."

And this is why I really dislike illiterate bible teachers and preachers. The book of Job clearly has a dinosaur talked about, and whether or not they have even lived up to recent times based on some astonishing video footage and old artifacts depicting dinosaurs as if the people knew what they looked like is not my concern. My concern is that children are curious not stupid and as they get older they hopefully become more curious and even less ignorant.

Children are taught so many lies in many churches and it is no wonder when they get older their faith is destroyed because we all hate liars, even if your preacher did not know he was lying, he was wrong and parroting a doctrine to support his view of God and the world.

What animal in our knowledge had a tail like a cedar tree? I can think of only one sort and that would be that great big wonderful dinosaur. My children's favorite was Little foot. Your preacher was wrong.

juniperberry


I'm sorry, but I in no way remember any of this being in the bible. Is it apocryphal? Is this found in other books not held in the bible? Can you please provide your sources, or is it merely speculation?

Thanks

It's in the Hebrew in Genesis, and Ezekiel talks about the rebellion. Also you can read the book of Enoch which talks a lot about the rebellion.

FlyersFan
Science has proven the bible account of the creation of Earth and humans is just dead wrong.
The Adam and Eve story, which the Hebrews ripped off from the Sumerians and changed,
is nothing more than one of many creation myths which have been debunked.

You have to consider the age of the bible and the people who lived in those times. Also that the bible was not written in english. It has been translated and re written to be palpable. King James had it rewritten to his liking. There are stories that Shakespeare or Bacon played a hand.

Stories were told in such ways to make it more like a nursery rhyme as it makes it easier to remember and pass on for thousands of years. One need to just read ancient Indian lore. You would be a moron if you were to take it literally. www.ilhawaii.net...

What is interesting about that link I gave you is that the stories being told in the west have also been told in the east. But again, would you take any of those stories literaly? and if not, can you fathom the knowledge they are sharing with us?

People clinging to their religious indoctrination of the creation myth need to learn how
to accept the truth of the situation ... that their religions are just flat out wrong on this.
They have been proven to be false. Deal with it. (and try not to have a hissy-fit and
scream at the scientists who have proven you wrong ... that's immature and ignorant)

Not true. The story of the flood is an ancient story about how the earth did flood. Yes it did. Again if you were to read the bible and take it literally you will miss the point. Here are flood stories from around the whole world. www.talkorigins.org...

Modern science, in accordance with the Mosaic record, proves that man was the last in the order of creation of living beings. But Moses puts the universal deluge at the year of the world 1654, while geology seems to show that the great diluvian cataclysm occurred before the appearance of man, because, up to the present time, the primitive strata contain no traces of his presence, nor of that of the animals contemporaneous with him.

But this point is far from being decided. Various recent discoveries suggest the possibility of our being destined to ascertain that the antiquity of the human race is much greater than has been hitherto supposed; and should this greater antiquity become a matter of certainty, it would prove that the letter of the Bible, in regard to the date assigned by it to the creation of man, as in regard to so many other matters, can only be understood in an allegorical sense.

That the geological deluge is not that of Noah is evident from the lapse of time required for the formation of the fossiliferous strata; and, if traces should eventually be discovered of the existence of the human race before the geological deluge, it would be evident either that Adam was not the first man, or that his creation dates back from a period indefinitely remote. There is no arguing against fact; and the antiquity of the human race, if proved by geological discovery, would have to be admitted, just as has been done in regard to the movement of the earth and the six days of the creation.

arpgme
reply to post by ILikeStars

 

I doubt Those words are some secret code or cipher

The bible was written waay before the english language existed.

It's already been proven that codes were used in the Bible. For instance, the Atbash Cipher was utilized.

reply to post by FlyersFan



Yup. I'd agree with that! The Bible is a creation of man and not a 'God' creation. You can tell that by the vast amount of errors in it. The people who wrote it didn't know enough about the world to get it right.

E.g. In the Bible it states the world is flat. If the Bible was written based on the word of God then surely they would have said the world was round. The Sumerians knew this. Why wouldn't the great Jesus and God know this?

The Bible claims there are 4 legged insects. Eh?

How about the story of Jonah who lived for 3 days in the belly of a whale? lol

The bible incorrectly states that rabbits (hares) chew their cud. Hmmm ok.

There are lots of errors and lot's of BS in the Bible especially regarding the Creation Of Mankind. The Timeline in the Bible is just soooo wrong. Guess the Romans who wrote it were too drunk at the time!

reply to post by Shadow Herder

The Bible also tells us that the world was created in six days, and fixes the epoch of this creation at about 4000 years before the Christian era. Previously to that period the earth did not exist. At that period it was produced out of nothing. Such is the formal declaration of the sacred text, yet science, positive, inexorable steps in with proof to the contrary.

I don't believe a word the Bible says just to be clear. The world is atleast 10 billion years old. Man is believed to be 100,000 - 150,000 years old. Now to get to your statement that the earth was created out of nothing. Before the universe existed, there was nothing...so where did the universe come from? If a God created it, where did God come from? A universe cannot just form out of nothing, something had to start it.

Unless we are all God, bound to the laws of science and wanted to experience life. Then space and time would only be an illusion...just the way the mind puts everything together. The great observers. That would mean only God exists.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


You and just about everyone else that has commented on this thread is a fool. Have you ever actually read the Bible? If you have, then you or anyone else wouldn't make idiotic statements like that. It sounds to me like you're just regurgitating the same ol ridiculous remarks only an atheist or an illiterate would make. If you could look for yourself you would know that the bible explains everything and then some! The fossil grave yards, giant insects, the folly of evolution, the Grand Canyon, the mid Atlantic ridge that wraps around the world like a seam from a baseball. 2nd law of thermodynamics, variation, who we are, where we are going when we die, how we got here, when the uni-verse (means single spoken scentence) came from, and so much more. The bible said "The fool has said in his heart there is no God." You've got to be the biggest fool if you believe in random chance and blind luck. Romans 1:20-21 NKJV. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.