Police shoot 13 year old carrying fake rifle.

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This thread is not about interpersonal conflict between members, but the shooting of a child carrying a replica firearm. Please post on topic.

Thank you.

JayinAR
Funnily enough I am lime that 1% who doesn't give a DAMN what you think.
And I don't care who you are
I am "that dude" who is a "homegrown terrorist". Believe it or not but I am dead damn serious

edit on 23-10-2013 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)

This is how scared I am..... Surprised you didn't follow that up with some lame Expect Us threat..
What's funny is I actually agreed with most of what you said.

Dav1d
It's informative to notice how this story is changing, originally reported as,

This afternoon at 3:00PM, two Sonoma County Deputies were patrolling in the area of Mooreland Ave. and West Robles Ave., Santa Rosa. At that time they observed a male subject walking with what appeared to be some type of a rifle. They immediately called for an emergency response from other deputies and officers that were in the area. The two deputies repeatedly ordered the subject to drop the rifle and at some point immediately thereafter, the deputies fired several rounds from their handguns at the subject striking him several times. The subject fell to the ground and landed on top of the rifle he was carrying.

Source: local.nixle.com...

Does anyone else wonder why an event that occour at 3:00pm has an image of a gun taken clearly many hours later.... Did it take time for the cops to find an AK-47?

And the latest is the cops now claim the child pointed the gun at them....

When a citizen is questioned and doesn't tell a consistent story what happens?

Oh-oh, they messed up.

He landed on top of the rifle? Guess he had it at port arms, parallel to his body, for that to happen. If he'd have been pointing it at them it would have landed in front of him.

Maverick7

Dav1d
It's informative to notice how this story is changing, originally reported as,

This afternoon at 3:00PM, two Sonoma County Deputies were patrolling in the area of Mooreland Ave. and West Robles Ave., Santa Rosa. At that time they observed a male subject walking with what appeared to be some type of a rifle. They immediately called for an emergency response from other deputies and officers that were in the area. The two deputies repeatedly ordered the subject to drop the rifle and at some point immediately thereafter, the deputies fired several rounds from their handguns at the subject striking him several times. The subject fell to the ground and landed on top of the rifle he was carrying.

Source: local.nixle.com...

Does anyone else wonder why an event that occour at 3:00pm has an image of a gun taken clearly many hours later.... Did it take time for the cops to find an AK-47?

And the latest is the cops now claim the child pointed the gun at them....

When a citizen is questioned and doesn't tell a consistent story what happens?

Oh-oh, they messed up.

He landed on top of the rifle? Guess he had it at port arms, parallel to his body, for that to happen. If he'd have been pointing it at them it would have landed in front of him.

I guess gravity works different in Santa Rosa, and an individual cannot fall face-down?

Is that your implication?

Biigs
If it was an airsoft weapon - there should have been a bright red tip on the barrel.

I see no mention of this nor any pictures on the article.

As you can see in the picture it was removed most people who buy the airsoft guns will paint them or remove them. You can also order them from overseas and they dont have it at all. I have an airsoft that looks like an AK 47 and you would not be able to tell until you get within a couple of feet. But do you really want to get that close to someone you think is holding an AK 47. I was going to remove the cap on mine as well so i could display it but decided not to since i have a 10 year old son. Even with airsoft guns parents have a responsibility to make sure there child is safe.

reply to post by OneManArmy

And you only have the murderers account of what happened. Call me stupid, but I think its only fair to assume that officers upon finding out they had killed an innocent child, would seek to cover their backs.

There is evidence that that is what happens.

...Her first scream came when one of the SWAT officers pointed his gun at her from the other side of the window. The police department would later argue that her scream gave them the authority to enter the home without knocking, announcing themselves, and waiting for someone to let them in...

Rather than obeying the SWAT team demands to “get down” as they rushed in, Georgia Porter simply froze with fear. They pried the spoon from her hand, put a gun to her head, and shoved her to the floor. They asked, “Where are they? Where are they?” She had no idea what they were talking about....

...Then more gunfire. Calvo, still in his boxers, screamed, “I’m upstairs, please don’t shoot!” He was instructed to walk downstairs with his hands in the air, the muzzles of two guns pointed directly at him.


Murphy recounted the conversation to the Post: “Martini tells me that when the SWAT team came to the door, the mayor met them at the door, opened it partially, saw who it was, and then tried to slam the door on them,” Murphy recalled. “And that at that point, Martini claimed, they had to force entry, the dogs took aggressive stances, and they were shot.”

If that indeed was what Martini told Murphy, he was either lying or repeating a lie told to him by one of his subordinates. There was never any further mention of Calvo shutting the door on the SWAT team— because it never happened. Calvo later had his dogs autopsied—the trajectories the bullets took through the dogs’ bodies weren’t consistent with the SWAT team’s story.

But the lies, obfuscations, and stonewalling were only beginning.....

The police department would first claim that they had obtained a no-knock warrant for the raid. They then backtracked and blamed Calvo’s mother-in-law, arguing that when her scream blew their cover, they were no longer obligated to knock and announce themselves. (This was an interesting theory, given that the knock-and-announce requirement, by definition, would have required them to blow their own cover. That’s the point of the requirement.) Maj. Mark Magaw, commander of the Prince George’s County narcotics enforcement division, claimed that the SWAT team couldn’t have obtained a no-knock warrant if they had wanted to, because the state of Maryland doesn’t allow them. This too was false...
www.salon.com...”/

If this was not the Mayor of a town, if they just shot him and his mother like they did his FLEEING dogs, would we be hearing the same sorts of justifications? These cops already showed they will REPEATEDLY LIE to cover their butts.

Here is another, only this guy was FN SETUP!

...When Culosi, barefoot and clad in a T-shirt and jeans, stepped out of his house to meet the man he thought was a friend, the SWAT team began to move in. Seconds later, Det. Deval Bullock, who had been on duty since 4:00 AM and hadn’t slept in seventeen hours, fired a bullet that pierced Culosi’s heart....

Sal Culosi’s last words were to Baucum, the cop he thought was a friend: “Dude, what are you doing?”...
[Culosi was a thirty-eight-year-old optometrist]

... It wasn’t even the first time a Virginia SWAT team had killed someone during a gambling raid...

Police said they approached the tinted car where Reed was working security, knocked, and identified themselves, then shot Reed when he refused to drop his handgun. Reed’s family insisted the police story was unlikely. Reed had no criminal record. Why would he knowingly point his gun at a heavily armed police team?

Statements by the police themselves seem to back that account. According to officers at the scene, Reed’s last words were, “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book.”...
www.salon.com...“why_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/

This part has a direct baring on this case:

...The fact that the Postal Service offers such training and most police departments don’t lends some credence to the theory that dog shootings are part of the larger problem of a battlefield mentality that lets police use lethal force in response to the slightest threat—usually with few consequences. “It’s an evolving phenomenon,” says Norm Stamper, the former Seattle police chief.

Stamper says that like many aspects of modern policing, dog shootings may have had a legitimate origin, but the practice has since become a symptom of the mind-set behind a militarized police culture. “Among other things, it really shows a lack of imagination. These guys think that the only solution to a dog that’s yapping or charging is shooting and killing it. That’s all they know. It goes with this notion that police officers have to control every situation, to control all the variables. That’s an awesome responsibility, and if you take it on, you’re caving to delusion. You no longer exercise discrimination or discretion. You have to control, and the way you control is with authority, power, and force.....

So excuse me if I think this is a similar case to the cops shooting any dog they see. They "See a weapon" so they immediately shoot to kill knowing their buddies will back them up saying the guy was pointing the weapon at them and the courts will never prosecute.

Only this time it was a kid with a toy....

After the deputies spotted the boy Tuesday, they called for backup and repeatedly ordered him to drop the gun, sheriff's Lt. Dennis O'Leary said in a news release. His back was turned toward the deputies, and they did not realize at the time that he was a boy.

According to the Santa Rosa police, the boy was about 20 to 30 feet from them when he turned toward the deputies with the gun and they opened fire.

abcnews.go.com...

Andy, according to friends and family, had a good sense of humor, and liked to tease his friend Luis' older sister, Ana. He played saxophone and enjoyed basketball and boxing.

But he also appeared to have had some difficulties. According to his father, he was expelled from Lawrence Cook Middle School in Santa Rosa "for little things." On Tuesday, Andy had been sent home early from his new alternative school, for what his parents described as lingering too long at a local store during a break.

www.reuters.com...

reply to post by Maverick7


Actually when shot probably droped to his feet and he landed on it but again all just speculation. But now for you to assume you know what had to happen is a joke where you there? If not its a guess and its useless trying to place blame on a guess.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Yep, I'm sure the big bad cops were wandering around and one said to the other, "Hey, Jim! There's an urban child! With a toy gun! Bet we can kill him and get away with it!"

Maverick7

Dav1d
It's informative to notice how this story is changing, originally reported as,

This afternoon at 3:00PM, two Sonoma County Deputies were patrolling in the area of Mooreland Ave. and West Robles Ave., Santa Rosa. At that time they observed a male subject walking with what appeared to be some type of a rifle. They immediately called for an emergency response from other deputies and officers that were in the area. The two deputies repeatedly ordered the subject to drop the rifle and at some point immediately thereafter, the deputies fired several rounds from their handguns at the subject striking him several times. The subject fell to the ground and landed on top of the rifle he was carrying.

Source: local.nixle.com...

Does anyone else wonder why an event that occour at 3:00pm has an image of a gun taken clearly many hours later.... Did it take time for the cops to find an AK-47?

And the latest is the cops now claim the child pointed the gun at them....

When a citizen is questioned and doesn't tell a consistent story what happens?

Oh-oh, they messed up.

He landed on top of the rifle? Guess he had it at port arms, parallel to his body, for that to happen. If he'd have been pointing it at them it would have landed in front of him.

Look at that picture again, if he landed on top of it as was claimed where o where is the blood? He was shot multiple times, and there is no sign of blood at all. The kid they claim landed on top of it while he died from their shots, while his life blood pumped out. Think about what 6-8 pints of blood would do.... He laid there the police claim while the called to him repeatedly to move the weapon before they dared to approach him, and the cuffed him, that takes time, and only then did the roll him off the gun... So no blood...

Funny things about cops, they wear body armor nowadays. Armor designed to protect them. Perhaps we should give body armor to our children now days? LEO's like to talk about our children who kill with guns. I strongly suspect that cops kill more people with guns than our children do each year. Should we act like cops and assume all cops are killers, and/or corrupt simply because a very small percentage of them have been found guilty of corruption, rape, assault, and murder?

JayinAR
reply to post by opethPA

 

If I intended scare you I would trace you.

To be honest, I don't care about you.

LOL!...good luck with that.
have at it though..

www.myfoxatlanta.com...
www.cbsnews.com...
www.nbcphiladelphia.com...
www.abcactionnews.com...
www.tampabay.com...
www.dispatch.com...

But kids are never dangerous, never have guns, and never pose a threat to anyone.

You can say "They should have asked questions first!" all day long, but when the individual has what looks like an AK-47 and is turning towards you with it, the time has run out to ask if it's real or not. There is a reason this activity is illegal, and it's because cops and others can't tell if it's a legitimate weapon or not and it puts everyone in danger.

Parenting also plays a role in this, in that the kid was allowed to walk around the streets with a gun that looks very real, without so much as an orange safety tip on it. I played with toy guns growing up, and my parents made sure I knew to never alter the orange tip, and to be extremely careful with what I was doing with it. It's a tragedy that could have been completely avoided on many levels - the blame does not rest solely on the officers.

reply to post by opethPA



Eh, as I said no fun.
B

reply to post by Dav1d

Where was all the blood when Trayvon Martin was shot? If they hit the aorta or heart then the vast majority of the hemorrhaging would be internal. Lack of bucketfuls of blood everywhere doesn't mean much, unless you're watching CSI.

reply to post by Highground


Blood like water tends to seek the lowest point. It has been reported he was shot in the heart, and he fell on top of the gun. Nor was he shot with a 22. .

So we have an unarmed child, shot and killed by the cops. Who was shot in the heart. Who was pronounced dead at the scene. Who wouldn't have been rushed to the hospital, but allowed to lay there. Who bleed out, and yet there is no sign of blood at all...

reply to post by Dav1d


Again. Trayvon Martin was face-down, shot in the heart. There was very little blood outside of his body. His pleural cavity is what filled up; someone getting shot isn't like it is in the movies where they have to be gushing blood for it to be serious. In fact, if the heart isn't pumping, there's not going to be a drastic amount of blood loss depending on the position the body is in. Gravity would have to pull it out of the arteries, which are already severely constricted due to hypovolemic shock.

You're not just a bag of blood that will pop like a water balloon.

Dav1d

Maverick7

Dav1d
It's informative to notice how this story is changing, originally reported as,

This afternoon at 3:00PM, two Sonoma County Deputies were patrolling in the area of Mooreland Ave. and West Robles Ave., Santa Rosa. At that time they observed a male subject walking with what appeared to be some type of a rifle. They immediately called for an emergency response from other deputies and officers that were in the area. The two deputies repeatedly ordered the subject to drop the rifle and at some point immediately thereafter, the deputies fired several rounds from their handguns at the subject striking him several times. The subject fell to the ground and landed on top of the rifle he was carrying.

Source: local.nixle.com...

Does anyone else wonder why an event that occour at 3:00pm has an image of a gun taken clearly many hours later.... Did it take time for the cops to find an AK-47?

And the latest is the cops now claim the child pointed the gun at them....

When a citizen is questioned and doesn't tell a consistent story what happens?

Oh-oh, they messed up.

He landed on top of the rifle? Guess he had it at port arms, parallel to his body, for that to happen. If he'd have been pointing it at them it would have landed in front of him.

Look at that picture again, if he landed on top of it as was claimed where o where is the blood? He was shot multiple times, and there is no sign of blood at all. The kid they claim landed on top of it while he died from their shots, while his life blood pumped out. Think about what 6-8 pints of blood would do.... He laid there the police claim while the called to him repeatedly to move the weapon before they dared to approach him, and the cuffed him, that takes time, and only then did the roll him off the gun... So no blood...

Funny things about cops, they wear body armor nowadays. Armor designed to protect them. Perhaps we should give body armor to our children now days? LEO's like to talk about our children who kill with guns. I strongly suspect that cops kill more people with guns than our children do each year. Should we act like cops and assume all cops are killers, and/or corrupt simply because a very small percentage of them have been found guilty of corruption, rape, assault, and murder?

Youve watched to many movies having seen people shot people dont instantly bleed out. In fact the human body attempts to stop that from happening. When shot the body will attempt to make the body circulate blood internally and start pulling it away from the skin. When shot unless its in the head there isnt a pool of blood people can be shot and not even realize it the only clue is a red spot on there clothes. But pints dont spill on to the floor. As for body army your standard police officer doesnt wear body armor and probably have it in a vehicle or at the precinct. Most likely be class 2 which would stop a round from a 9 mm but an ak 47 would punch right through it. So if you were an officer you have a 9 mm and you see someone with an ak 47 they have all the advantages. Your much more like to die then they are If you told them to drop it and they havnt then they raise it like there going to fire what do you do wait to see if they shoot you or do you shoot them. Thats the position they were in if it was real then no way to tell until your dead what would you do?

JayinAR
reply to post by opethPA

 

Eh, as I said no fun.
B

No no..you talk a good game..please..trace me... im begging you.
or try something dumber like hitting me with a DDoS once you "trace me"..



As much fun as this is though you can roid rage and im more interested to see if any new facts about this case have come out yet.