Why Is the IQ of Ashkenazi Jews So High

reply to post by cathar

The answer is very simple:
Because they pride themselves on knowledge and understanding - it is their desire to be knowledgeable and understanding.

Thought creates physical action, and physical action creates genetics.

Why are Africans so extremely good at athletics? Because they pride themselves on speed and maneuverability.

It is the same for all life.

Thought makes physical action and physical action makes instinct and genes.

Science only sees that physical action makes instinct, and that is why it becomes so difficult to understand. They do not see that instinct and genes are the thoughts of your forefathers.

But is thought not the root action? ...I think it is.

Antigod
reply to post by ldyserenity

 

IQ IS MAINLY GENETIC.

Which is completely untrue. Well, not "entirely" untrue ... but for the most part, it is.

And if you want to see proof of that, take a look at the aristocracy ... a bigger pool of idiot genes, doesn't exist.

Ashkenazi probably have higher IQ's out of necessity to survive in the Jew hostile European environment in the medieval era. Only the smart survived.

This is not true ... but a very popular history, at this point in time. Most "jews" today are indeed Europeans, not really jewish ... at which time and date, they turned into the jewish religion, and why is debatable.

Success is today realized to be reached by determination, not by one's level of IQ. It also involves the play of EQ (Emotional Quotient) and for some cases, SQ (Spiritual Quotient).

reply to post by wasaka


Linda Gottfriedsen did some sibling research that showed measured IQ had a very strong relation to your life outcome. The higher it was (male) the less likely you are to be unemployed, in prison, long term welfare claimant and divorced. Low IQ women made up the majority of unmarried mothers. Quelle surprise.

There's a great chart of this knocking around on line. It's from LG's book.
www.iq-tests.eu...

I'd also like to point out the IQ has a strong relation to relative brain size, and relative brain size varies in average with race.

If any of you want to claim otherwise I'm happy to debate with you when you provide any study to the contrary. Don't bother quoting 'the mismeasure of man', as SJ Gould got busted as a liar recently.
dienekes.blogspot.co.uk...

We've known that racial differences in brain size exist for about a century. We know brain size (relative to lean body mass) has a strong relation to IQ scores, and IQ scores have a strong relation to life outcome.

Somebody coherently explain why intelligence doesn't vary with race then.

reply to post by bjarneorn

Which is completely untrue. Well, not "entirely" untrue ... but for the most part, it is

That's your uneducated opinion.

Please reference work to contradict my statements.

I say this because I'm not up for a rambling argument with someone unfamiliar with the data. I looked up the opinion surveys and read the published papers, I understand the statistical data and I'm familiar with the studies. Look up the published research for a few weeks then come back and we'll have a proper go at this.

You should start with this essay by one of the most respected specialists in the field.
www.udel.edu...

First paragraph.

Social Science researchers have contributed to the myth that there is no difference in intelligence levels among different racial and ethnic groups. Some researchers ignored significant data because it did not fit into the accepted belief of genetic equality. Introduction The Egalitarian Fiction Misrepresentation of Expert Opinion Living Within a Lie Covert and Overt Censorship Suggested Readings Social science today condones and perpetuates a great falsehood - one that undergirds much current social policy. This falsehood, or "egalitarian fiction," holds that racial-ethnic groups never differ in average developed intelligence (or, in technical terms, g, the general mental ability factor). While scientists have not yet determined their source, the existence of sometimes large group differences in intelligence is as well-established as any fact in the social sciences!

The " identical twins separated at birth " study proved conclusively that IQ is genetically inherited.
Just google New York State twins separated at birth study.....
I'm glad to see this thread is getting educational rather than opinionated based on politically correctness.

reply to post by eisegesis


star for ya...

IQ tests are a sham, and highly debatable, especially if done outside of well defined goal and linked to many other biological and psychological traits.

Race has nothing to do with it. Race had some connection to geographic location (north vs south etc) and economic properties of those areas, this has ceased to be a relevant connection to make sometime ago... In a few more decades of human genetic interchanges, racial traits will be extremely hard have any meaning beyond the very extremes... Read hairs are destined to extinction...

Antigod

Success is today realized to be reached by determination, not by one's level of IQ. It also involves the play of EQ (Emotional Quotient) and for some cases, SQ (Spiritual Quotient).

reply to post by wasaka

 

Linda Gottfriedsen did some sibling research that showed measured IQ had a very strong relation to your life outcome. The higher it was (male) the less likely you are to be unemployed, in prison, long term welfare claimant and divorced. Low IQ women made up the majority of unmarried mothers. Quelle surprise.

There's a great chart of this knocking around on line. It's from LG's book.
www.iq-tests.eu...

I'd also like to point out the IQ has a strong relation to relative brain size, and relative brain size varies in average with race.

If any of you want to claim otherwise I'm happy to debate with you when you provide any study to the contrary. Don't bother quoting 'the mismeasure of man', as SJ Gould got busted as a liar recently.
dienekes.blogspot.co.uk...

We've known that racial differences in brain size exist for about a century. We know brain size (relative to lean body mass) has a strong relation to IQ scores, and IQ scores have a strong relation to life outcome.

Somebody coherently explain why intelligence doesn't vary with race then.

IQ = success in our society (good job, material wealth, etc)

IQ may have a strong relation to relative brain size
but that is not a true measure of intelligence.

To say one ethnic group has a smaller brain size could
mean a lower IQ, but it does not mean lower intelligence
unless you take a very narrow view of what intelligence is.

The same people who created the IQ to measure the potential
for success in our society (good job, material wealth, etc) are
of the opinion these things equal intelligence and success, but
that is just a biased opinion. One you may share, but just an
opinion lone the less.

Intelligence is not limited to the metrics of an IQ test.
Intelligence is the capacity for understanding; ability to
perceive and comprehend meaning.

A person may achieve all the metrics of success by the
standards of society, but without meaning in their life
what good is that high IQ - I'd rather be happy.

Antigod
reply to post by bjarneorn

 

I say this because I'm not up for a rambling argument with someone unfamiliar with the data. I looked up the opinion surveys and read the published papers, I understand the statistical data and I'm familiar with the studies. Look up the published research for a few weeks then come back and we'll have a proper go at this.

What? You want to "uphold" the OPINION that intellect is an inherited trait? Apart from the genes, that provide the "tools" for speech, memory, cognasence ... to even suggest it, is being a raving bloody lunatic.

And I don't care about how many "essays" you have on the idea ... just to suggest it, is just being a raging looney toon.

The inbred bloodline of the aristocrats, should be proof enough for any moron. And not to mention the fact, that just a century ago, people "branded" black people out of africa as being monkeys ... after all, they were dancing around and yanking "hu hu" around.

Hey dude, look at those standing up monkeys ... most of them are smarter than you are.

That's how much your "genes" have to do with it. All it took on their half, was dedication and work ...

reply to post by cathar

The " identical twins separated at birth " study proved conclusively that IQ is genetically inherited. Just google New York State twins separated at birth study..... I'm glad to see this thread is getting educational rather than opinionated based on politically correctness.

There's an interesting variant ion this called the 'virtual twin' study. They found children adopted into the same household and raised as twins had IQ's showed no correlation as adults. So much for a nice middle class family improving the IQ of their children by better education and better diet etc. However adoptees have slightly lower average IQ's in general, bear in mind what sort of people have their kids adopted.

Intellectual similarity of virtual twin pairs: Developmental trends

Anyone reading this study should note that the genetic influence on intelligence is low in childhood, but hits a very high level in adulthood. Why is why everyone waving a study about claiming that it shows genetics has little influence is referencing a study of young children.

Something like Linda Gottfriedsen's work was done in communist era Poland (Warsaw study if I recall right). Due to communism everyone had the exact same crappy level of housing education and nutrition. And lo and behold, the children of the impoverished intelligentsia STILL outperformed everyone else decades later.

I am genuinely at a loss as to why so many people believe that IQ tests aren't relevant to life outcome, and why they believe they aren't a good guide to ability. They are specifically designed to test academic ability. The overwhelming majority of psych specialists agree they work, aren't culturally biased any more and are a good guide to life outcome. Where do people get the idea this isn't so?

Panic2k11
reply to post by eisegesis

 

star for ya...

IQ tests are a sham, and highly debatable, especially if done outside of well defined goal and linked to many other biological and psychological traits.

Race has nothing to do with it. Race had some connection to geographic location (north vs south etc) and economic properties of those areas, this has ceased to be a relevant connection to make sometime ago... In a few more decades of human genetic interchanges, racial traits will be extremely hard have any meaning beyond the very extremes... Read hairs are destined to extinction...

Note to readers of this thread:
Please notice that the posters who say IQ tests can measure IQ & IQ is important as far as
pushing the envelope towards a higher level of civilization ,cures for diseases, etc are posting links to back up their posts........
While the anti IQ posters are saying scientific tests and studies in genetics, brain sizes , etc are merely
opinions ,,which they are most certainly NOT.....
& the anti IQ posters post no links at all...

cathar
ieet.org...

if you google this title you will get multiple hits.

I am neither a Jew nor am I anti-Semitic or anti-Kazar. I am simply interested in genetics and biology .
I would hope you read the link before posting a comment...thanks

What scale are the utilizing? By those numbers, they are at or below average.

And I don't care about how many "essays" you have on the idea ... just to suggest it, is just being a raging looney toon.

reply to post by bjarneorn



As I suspected, nothing to support your claims.

Like I said, please reference data to back you up, or find some published studies that show psych professionals agree with you.

I'm backing up my point with this. Signed by almost every big name in the field. My apologies for the spam like quality of these blockquotes. Full text here

Dec. 13, 1994 Wall Street Journal p A18 Mainstream Science on Intelligence Since the publication of “The Bell Curve,” many commentators have offered opinions about human intelligence that misstate current scientific evidence. Some conclusions dismissed in the media as discredited are actually firmly supported. This statement outlines conclusions regarded as mainstream among researchers on intelligence, in particular, on the nature, origins, and practical consequences of individual and group differences in intelligence. Its aim is to promote more reasoned discussion of the vexing phenomenon that the research has revealed in recent decades. The following conclusions are fully described in the major textbooks, professional journals and encyclopedias in intelligence.

A few choice passages.

Intelligence, so defined, can be measured, and intelligence tests measure it well. They are among the most accurate (in technical terms, reliable and valid) of all psychological tests and assessments. They do not measure creativity, character personality, or other important differences among individuals, nor are they intended to.

Individuals differ in intelligence due to differences in both their environments and genetic heritage. Heritability estimates range from 0.4 to 0.8 (on a scale from 0 to 1), most thereby indicating that genetics plays a bigger role than does environment in creating IQ differences among individuals. (Heritability is the squared correlation of phenotype with genotype.) If all environments were to become equal for everyone, heritability would rise to 100% because all remaining differences in IQ would necessarily be genetic in origin.

I will repeat my observation that the hereditary component of IQ is lower in childhood. Tests done on juveniles come in lower than people in their thirties, which partly explains the range of results here.

AT the bottom of this letter is a VERY long list of professors who signed their name to it.

Like I said feel free to have an opinion, it's just I researched the nuts off of mine and you didn't.

Wow shows how dumb I am.

I thought the test was a measure, of how well ones ability is to obtain and process information.
The ability to learn.

reply to post by Antigod


....nice. thanks for providing that.

Something you might find interesting about Ashkenazi genetic defects and intelligence.

SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE IN RECESSIVELY INHERITED TORSION DYSTONIA

Roswell Eldridge a, Anne Harlan a, IrvingS Cooper b, Manuel Riklan b * Based on a paper presented at the Second Conference on the Clinical Delineation of Birth Defects, held at the Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland, on May 26-30, 1969.
Abstract
The association between intelligence and the recessive form of torsion dystonia has been evaluated in a retrospective study. Psychometric data were available from a period before the appearance of symptoms for fourteen patients with this disease. Similar data were available for a control group matched for age, sex, ethnic back ground (Jewish), and, so far as possible, socioeconomic background. The mean I.Q. of the patients was 121 (range 104—170) and that of their controls was 111 (range 76—147). This difference is significant (P

reply to post by Antigod


S&F

Countries with the highest average IQ are mostly Asia. Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan (103-107). I must be living on Mars, because my IQ is 133, and another guy who beat me with 145 must be from Jupiter. By the way, my chess rating is pretty mediocre, and I wonder if these IQ tests have any merit. I guess if you had a college course in set theory and know a little geometry and/or programming, you have some advantage in such tests. There are so many dimensions they don't seem to touch at all, including 3D vision, imagination, complexity, short-term memory capacity, etc. If you are gifted in one field, you probably have some drawbacks in other fields, that's a usual thing in this world.

reply to post by mrkeen


A persons IQ generally tends to remain constant from childhood to adulthood. There is little variance. While specialized education may help with a question or two, the overall impact may be negligible.

The Global Bell Curve: Race. IQ. and Inequality World Wide.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by cathar


It is simple. Our vaccinations(cough!,flu shot) and inoculations , Fluoride in Food and Water and all sorts of great products like aspartame and much more.