Ubuntu 13.10 Is Released..Consider using it if ...

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BIOS A08


Not sure what else you need...I would upload the .txt file but I have no idea how to do that.

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cavedweller88
Intel Mobil Core 2 Duo T5500
Chipset i945GM
BIOS A08


Not sure what else you need...I would upload the .txt file but I have no idea how to do that.

With the HDD and RAM that you mentioned in a previous post, I would say that you would be okay running Ubuntu 13.10.

I have found that with Linux Distro's, it is more about user experience than requirements. If a particular feature doesn't perform to your liking, there's always plenty of options to move to.

With Ubuntu, the biggest knock (that I have noticed) has been the Unity desktop, whether it is its resource usage, or overall design.

With Mint, there are several desktop environments to choose from based on preference. I prefer Cinnamon, but there are many who prefer MATE, KDE or XFCE.

Will you be able to run it? Most likely. Will you like the way each feature runs? That is why it is best to test it on a LiveDVD.

Download a LiveDVD of Ubuntu and try it out. Don't install it until you've decided if you like it or not.

WARNING!!!
This wont happen to everyone, but it DID happen to me!

I installed Mint (dual boot with winXP) and it totally screwed my drives. I have two hard drives, both partitioned into three.
After installation finished the mbr was totally screwed and all partition info seemed to be missing from both drives. I had to install an os onto another drive so that I could recover my data and then fix the drives!

My advice is get VBOX and install into that until your confident in linux, then give winsa the boot.

VoidHawk
WARNING!!!
This wont happen to everyone, but it DID happen to me!

I installed Mint (dual boot with winXP) and it totally screwed my drives. I have two hard drives, both partitioned into three.
After installation finished the mbr was totally screwed and all partition info seemed to be missing from both drives. I had to install an os onto another drive so that I could recover my data and then fix the drives!

My advice is get VBOX and install into that until your confident in linux, then give winsa the boot.

To be fair.. you could have booted with the Windows disk,
brought up a command prompt and typed "fixmbr" enter then "Fixboot"
that would have cleared grub from your MBR.

This a normal consequence of dual boot when you remove linux you have to repair your
MBR

In windows 7 and 8 you need to select repair from the boot disk (windows)

and at the command line type bootrec /fixmbr and bootrec /fixboot

A little experience goes a long way.

Is cinnamon a distro itself or is it a template for Mint? Can I change between them at will or do I have to boot each one to find the one I like?

Also what is the difference between Ubuntu Server vs. Ubuntu Cloud. I want to make sure that I download the right one.

ProfessorChaos
I am a Linux Mint guy myself, but since Mint is built off of Ubuntu, I guess that you could say that I am vicariously an Ubuntu guy (I'm not overly fond of Unity).

Linux Mint

I still have several machines in the house that run Windows 7 due to being a gamer, though I would switch completely to Linux in a heartbeat if the gaming issue was rectified.

SteamOS seems to be the key to that occurring sooner rather than later, and I'm foaming at the mouth to get Bill Gates OUT of my life as soon as possible.

***EDIT TO ADD***

As far as the dual booting recommendation goes, I would recommand running the LiveCD/DVD of Ubuntu or Mint and testing out before considering a Dual Boot scenario as for some people, it can be very difficult and can lead to problems if done incorrectly.

Another option is running Ubuntu or Mint on a separate machine if you have one.

edit on 10/19/2013 by ProfessorChaos because: added content

Zoinks.

You're not vicariously an ubuntu guy, you ALL debian guys and gals.

And even some finicky swine would correct me on that I am sure Like, you're all Unix guys at heart.

It's not the little things that keep me away from linux. It's the big glaring things. Like ATI drivers still suck. Like no support for something unless it's made by some whopping name company (say good bye to any usb devices that you pick up for cheap). I mean, I use my hdtv usb stick for tv, via windows media centre which despite all of the problems, is the best experience for tv on a PC for me. I've tried every flavour of open source stuff.. none cpome close. All fail. So I can't get away from WMC. I've tried kaffeine and tv apps in nix. It's a struggle to even get a channel listing.

And if I ever need to reinstall, god forbid i i didn't write down a step by step process, then it's another 3-4 days of stress.. and then no guarantee that it will work the same, if it ever did.

ATI, and hi def video is.. well, in linux, like watching rain falling sideways. Not good enough on a decently specced machine that with bloated windows runs smooth as a baby's backside.

Games? If you can get them to run in wine or the variants of wine that have come along at a price, sure.. but don't expect any online gaming. Not with punkbuster... valve have their own anti-hack protection sure, but it also stinks, and none of the games I do play use it, and I'm stuck with punkbuster. Who won't even consider changing to work in a non-M$ environment.

Firefox is still just that little bit funky. Why is options under preferences and not where it is everywhere else? Under tools?

Why the little things?

I can live with the little things tho. They're a learning curve. But the big things that just appear to continually be looked over.. I'm not bothering any more. I've given up trying. They don't seem to care.

Multiple monitors? God how hard can it be to do what windows does. Just work. two of them. No need for scrubbing around some conf files or something if it doesn't just work from the desktop.

Problem with things like ubuntu is that they've tried to remove the terminal component of linux. But it remains a terminal OS. It's got a surface desktop, but it's a terminal OS.

Besides. I heard that Ubuntu 13.10 is water proof, so you can take your laptop in the shower with you? Has anyone tried this?

rigel4

VoidHawk
WARNING!!!
This wont happen to everyone, but it DID happen to me!

I installed Mint (dual boot with winXP) and it totally screwed my drives. I have two hard drives, both partitioned into three.
After installation finished the mbr was totally screwed and all partition info seemed to be missing from both drives. I had to install an os onto another drive so that I could recover my data and then fix the drives!

My advice is get VBOX and install into that until your confident in linux, then give winsa the boot.

To be fair.. you could have booted with the Windows disk,
brought up a command prompt and typed "fixmbr" enter then "Fixboot"
that would have cleared grub from your MBR.

This a normal consequence of dual boot when you remove linux you have to repair your
MBR

In windows 7 and 8 you need to select repair from the boot disk (windows)

and at the command line type bootrec /fixmbr and bootrec /fixboot

A little experience goes a long way.

edit on 19-10-2013 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)

To be fair.. I tried all the usual fixes. Nothing worked! There was massive data corruption throughout both drives.
I did say "This wont happen to everyone", I wasn't trying to be a scare monger, and I'm certainly no-longer pro ms, I was simply pointing out that it CAN happen.
Most people dont even know what an mbr is, or that utils are available on the win cd, so maybe you could include a HOW TO FIX IT post for those that might find themselves stuck?

reply to post by VoidHawk


We are on the same page bro.. I most likely will write up a post
to help insure a safe exit from Linux.. didn't mean to cause you
any offence.. I kind of took you for a noob.. sorry!

reply to post by winofiend


I haven't read you entire post yet.. but ATI in 13.10 install with the additional drivers
tab in the Software and updates portion of the system settings.

I am using a HD 7790 with full Driver support and the CCC working.
I did nothing other than check for drivers

Nvidia on the other hand has been good for years now.

Now i will continue reading your post.

The rest of your post is not in sync with most of the experiences I have had with ubuntu or open suse
and others.
Was it a long time ago you were experiencing problems?
Linux has really moved on in the 5 to 8 years

EDIT: In second thoughts your post is just drivel

cavedweller88
Is cinnamon a distro itself or is it a template for Mint? Can I change between them at will or do I have to boot each one to find the one I like?

Cinnamon, MATE, KDE and XFCE are all different types of desktop environments.

To put it basically, they are different types of wrappers with the essentially the same candy inside.

Some of them use more resources and provide more features (Cinnamon, KDE) while others have smaller resource footprints and run a bit faster by not including all of the bells and whistles initially (XFCE, MATE).

As I mentioned earlier, it boils down (mostly) to personal preference, which is yet another reason to use a LiveDVD initially in order to determine your own preference.

I don't wish to pull too far from the OP (since it pertains to regular Ubuntu), but Mint is, in my opinion, the better distro.

rigel4
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

We are on the same page bro.. I most likely will write up a post
to help insure a safe exit from Linux.. didn't mean to cause you
any offence.. I kind of took you for a noob.. sorry!

No offence taken

For me it wasn't an exit from Mint that caused the problem, it was the install. All went well until the reboot, then all drives were screwed.
Fixing the mbr did get the boot drive recognised but that was all it did. Had to use another os on a seperate drive and do a very lengthy (15 hours) recovery. Recovered about 70%.

I'm forced currently to be linux mint. The one that works and is solid, is pclinuxos, and everyone thinks its mandriva, but in reality its better than mandriva and has tested for that. Alas, this time, it wouldn't recognize my interent and just felt to swamped to even take the trouble to have to go onto my kids computer and find out how to mask or unmask something. So installed the latest mint instead which worked right away.

But then there are the annoying freeze ups, mouse freeze ups, and I can't post links to pdf's, in fact some don't open at all for me. And have searched on forums, nothing works.

I think its a lot more unstable than pclinuxos and highly recommend that people who try linux, download a few of them, like ubuntu, or mint, or pinguy (those 2 are both ubuntu based but have all the media codec a person wants already in them), but also try pclinuxos and one or the other will work.

I really like kde best.

Really a great post...

In the modern computer era we have multiple ways to get the best of both worlds. I run Windows 7 as my native OS and run various flavors of Linux in VBox (virtualized). You can take that route or you can dual boot.

As much as the Linux crowd wishes Microsoft would go away and as much as Microsoft wishes they were everything the world , both personal and corporate, will always have both so we as users get to benefit.

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Lmao go you then, Mr Linux guru, I shall bore you not with my drivel.

And no, it was the previous version, thank you very much. Still crap, but you go for it.. Save yourself from all those virii.

Pfft

opethPA
Really a great post...

In the modern computer era we have multiple ways to get the best of both worlds. I run Windows 7 as my native OS and run various flavors of Linux in VBox (virtualized). You can take that route or you can dual boot.

As much as the Linux crowd wishes Microsoft would go away and as much as Microsoft wishes they were everything the world , both personal and corporate, will always have both so we as users get to benefit.

I still don't see the need for dual booting, if you have requirements that keep you in one os. What benefit does someone who can maintain nix have that they can't in an m$ environment? Its not safer, you have to boot down, or run crippled (virtual) and your forever between OS's.

Like i get the impression from the op, it's just to sound cool... Ahh but I should not bag the coolness. Despite having used Linux for over 14 years, this version is the best thing and I we should all run towards it, problems shmoblems.

Corporate will be a long long way from using any Linux distro on desktops. Or use a paid and supported flavour, and then you've gained little.

As a hobby or personal os for people who just email and browse the web, its gunna save you from terrible horrid things... Lol

ProfessorChaos
With Ubuntu, the biggest knock (that I have noticed) has been the Unity desktop, whether it is its resource usage, or overall design.

That's one of the reasons I am still using an older version of Ubuntu in one of my virtual machines.

I have used some flavor of Linux for about 10 years and have never had a slow computer, a virus, had to defrag, etc. Anything from the old Mandrake before they sold out, Gentoo, FreeBSD (probably my favorite), and currently using Ubuntu.

If you still want to use Windows, consider setting up a old Computer with Ubuntu as a router/firewall and your Windows problems will almost be nonexistent. You will still get a slow Computer even though its "top of the line".

I currently am running a Pentium 4 processor with 512 megs of RAM and my Computer is faster than any Windows box with 3 gigs of RAM. Crazy but its the truth.

Thank God Steam is developing for Linux and the "I have to play Games on Windows" crowd can have another choice.

Great Thread by the way and if your new to Ubuntu or Linux in general there is a vast amount of help out there to answer any question you may have.