Mass UFO Sightings of the Past

reply to post by PhoenixOD


If so:

How do you explain that the "lights" in the footage pass behind (and not over) the dome of the Capitol?

Do light reflected on glass (be it a lens or a window) generate radar blips over Washingon DC?

Do light reflections make USAF scramble its QRA readiness jets to investigate the "bogeys"?

If even the USAF by then aknowledged the sightings and explained them away as temperature inversions, why do you go by the "lights reflection" explanation 61 years later?

You seem to prove my point. They saw tubes in the sky. The author collected reports of what people said they saw and meshed it all together into one short report and 1 simple woodcut pic which today would be labelled, 'artists interpretation'. Woodcuts were very simple and I imagine the person doing the woodcut had a few more to do whilst under the deadline to get the paper finished and published so they can make money by selling it, much like the Daily Mail of today.

Do you really believe that?
A dodgy reporter stressed by his editor boss!

Newspaper deadlines in XVIth century Europe? Oh boy!
Your post reveals one of the biggest mistakes on UFO study!
Is there any member fluent when german? That would be very helpful to translate the text that apparently goes with the Nuremberg image.

You must get to know the historical context (political, social and cultural dimensions) of the european societies of the Middle Age and in this particular of the Modern Age.
Also, UFO study must decenter from a strictly american perspective on the subject.

Besides, if AbleEndangered title for the image is the original one - Himmelserscheinung über Nürnberg vom 14. April 1561 - it translates to "Celestal phenomenon over Nuremberg on 14 April 1561".

By zooming the text that comes with the image I could recognize some words (morning, star) but a german speaking member would probably crack the puzzle.

meaningless333
Besides, if AbleEndangered title for the image is the original one - Himmelserscheinung über Nürnberg vom 14. April 1561 - it translates to "Celestal phenomenon over Nuremberg on 14 April 1561".

By zooming the text that comes with the image I could recognize some words (morning, star) but a german speaking member would probably crack the puzzle.

This was the name of the printing press and the volume it was issued. A few tidbits of information about some of the inventions and minds running about around about the time of this event.

The first printing press was invented by the English businessman Sir William Caxton. in 1476. He was a royal advisor, editor and printer. He learned his trade in printing in Cologne, Germany. When he returned home to England, he created his invention and set about creating mass prints of various books, such as the Canterbury tales and the bible. An interesting tidbit, is that he refused to print in various dialects and languages. So he did much to standardize the English language and it's spelling.

Meanwhile, in Germany, where Sir Caxton trained in his profession, Johannes Gutenberg did much to revolutionize and improve printing with has invention - by creating the movable printing press. His invention could print a page every 3 minutes and concentrated on reproducing mainly religious materials.

Other minds running around these times thinking and contemplating was Leonardo Da Vinci, who died just before the Nunberg event. However he was a remarkable man - who likely had an impact on the times as an acedemic in various fields of interest. He was an Italian inventor, artist, and scientist. He was particularly interested in engineering and drew all sort of flying machines that likely should give him an honorary title of prophet and saint! Regardless, he was a mind, centuries ahead od f his time!

Galileo Galilei was born just after the event in 1564. He also was Italian. He was the first to here of Hans Lipperohey's invention of the telescope in 1609, and take it to the skies.

My point with these little tidbits of facts and information is just to illustrate and show - we are speaking of intelligent, thinking people, accomplishing great things in innovation and ingenuity. I am certain, fireworks could easily have been identified by discerning minds. Now, a swarm of meteorites burning up and exploding, at close call overhead. I might be able to concede "possibly" - but fireworks, I just can't figure it.

CdT

CirqueDeTruth

meaningless333
Besides, if AbleEndangered title for the image is the original one - Himmelserscheinung über Nürnberg vom 14. April 1561 - it translates to "Celestal phenomenon over Nuremberg on 14 April 1561".

By zooming the text that comes with the image I could recognize some words (morning, star) but a german speaking member would probably crack the puzzle.

This was the name of the printing press and the volume it was issued. A few tidbits of information about some of the inventions and minds running about around about the time of this event.

The first printing press was invented by the English businessman Sir William Caxton. in 1476. He was a royal advisor, editor and printer. He learned his trade in printing in Cologne, Germany. When he returned home to England, he created his invention and set about creating mass prints of various books, such as the Canterbury tales and the bible. An interesting tidbit, is that he refused to print in various dialects and languages. So he did much to standardize the English language and it's spelling.

Meanwhile, in Germany, where Sir Caxton trained in his profession, Johannes Gutenberg did much to revolutionize and improve printing with has invention - by creating the movable printing press. His invention could print a page every 3 minutes and concentrated on reproducing mainly religious materials.

Other minds running around these times thinking and contemplating was Leonardo Da Vinci, who died just before the Nunberg event. However he was a remarkable man - who likely had an impact on the times as an acedemic in various fields of interest. He was an Italian inventor, artist, and scientist. He was particularly interested in engineering and drew all sort of flying machines that likely should give him an honorary title of prophet and saint! Regardless, he was a mind, centuries ahead od f his time!

Galileo Galilei was born just after the event in 1564. He also was Italian. He was the first to here of Hans Lipperohey's invention of the telescope in 1609, and take it to the skies.

My point with these little tidbits of facts and information is just to illustrate and show - we are speaking of intelligent, thinking people, accomplishing great things in innovation and ingenuity. I am certain, fireworks could easily have been identified by discerning minds. Now, a swarm of meteorites burning up and exploding, at close call overhead. I might be able to concede "possibly" - but fireworks, I just can't figure it.

CdT

edit on 20-10-2013 by CirqueDeTruth because: correction

You make a good argument by naming those people are leaders in their firld. The same can be said of today with Stephen Hawkings, Banksy, etc, but back in those days there was a huge difference between the highly educated and the common people. And yes, newspaper editors would have been nearly common people too with training mainly in their specific field. As you say, fireworks were relatively new back then. The editor may very well have known they were fireworks, (or meteors), but he or the reporter collected the info from the people in the city and published it regardless to sell the newsheet to them and make money.

We all know that newspapers don't print the actual truth.

Here is the text in (probably Olde German):

german text

Anno M.D.LXI. An dem XIIII. tag Aprillis zu morgens zwischen Aim gehn tag und dem garauß/ das ist zu morgens zwischen 4 und 5 auff der kleinen uhr/ ist ein sehr erschröcklich gesicht an der Sonn wie sie im auffgang gewesen erschinnen/ und zu Nürmberg in der Stat und vor dem thor und auff dem Land von vielen manns und weybs personen gesehen worden. Erstlich ist die Sonn mit zweyen blutfarben halbrunden strichen/ gleichförmig wann der Monn im abnemen/ mitten durch die Sonne erschinnen und gesehen worden/ und inn der Sonne/ oben/ unten/ und auff beden seytte blutfarbe/ und eines theyls blößliche oder Eysenfarbe auch schwartzfarb runde Kugel gestanden/ Desselben gleichen auff bayden seytten und ringscheyben umb die Sonne herumb/ sein solche blutrote/ und der andern kugel in anzal viel/ etwo drey inn die lenge/ unter weylen vier inn einem Quatrangel/ auch etliche ainzig gestanden/ Und zwischen solchen Creutzen und Kugeln sein blutfarbe streyme hinden dick/ Und vorn hinauß/ etwas geschmeydiger alls hocken rhor/ Allenthalben mit ein vermischt geweser/ samt unter andern zweyen grossen rorn/ eines zur rechten/ und des ander zur lincken handt stehent/ in welchen kleinen und grossen Rorn/ zu dreyen/ auch vier und mehr kugel gewesen. Dieses alles hat mit einander anfahen zu streyten/ sein die kugel so erstlicht in der Sonn ge wesen/ herauß auff die/ so zu beyden seytten gestanden/ gefarn/ so sein die so heraussen gewesen sampt den kugeln auß den klein und grossen Rorn/ inn die Sonne hinein gefarn/ zu dem

haben die Ror eben so sehr alle die kugel unter einander gefarn/ und hefftig alles mit einander gestritten und gefochten/ bey einer guten stunde/ Und wie der Streyt das ein weyl inn die Sonne hinein/ und widerumb herauß am hefftigsten hin und her gefaren/ sich dermassen miteinander abgematt/ Ist es alles wie obverzeychnet von der Sonnen/ vom Hymel herab auff die erden gleich alls ob es alles Brennet gefallen/ und mit einem grossen dampff herunten auff der Erden allgemach vergangen. Nach solchem allen ist auch gleichförmig einem schwartzen Speer/ der schafft vom auffgang/ Und die spitzen zum Nidergang inn grosser dick und leng gesehen worden. Was aber solche zeychen bedeuten/ ist Gott allein wissent/ dieweyl wir aber kurtz auffeinander/ soviel und mancherley zeychen am Hymel haben/ die uns der Allmechtige Gott/ von unsers sündlichen lebens/ damit er uns gern zur buß reitzen und locken wolt/ erscheinen lest/ so sein wir leyder so undanckbar/ das wir solche hohe zeychen und Wunderwerck Gottes verachten/ Auch spötlich davon reden/ und inn winde schlagen/ Zubesorgen [?] es werde uns Gott umb unserer undanckbarkeyt willen/ ein schröckliche straff senden/ Jedoch werden solchs die Gotsfürchtigen in keinen weg [?] verachten/ sünder alle diese trewe warnung ires gnedigen Vatters im Hymel behertzigen/ ir Leben bessern/ Gott trewlich bitten/ Das er seinen billigen zorn/ sampt der wol verdienten straff von uns wöll abwenden/ Damit wir alls seine kinder hie zeytlich/ und dort ewig leben mögen

darzu uns Gott allen wölle helffen/ Amen.



Using a poor translate service at translate.google.com...

I get: --

Anno M.D.LXI . At the XIIII . day morning between Aim Aprillis to go day and garauß / the morning to 4-5 auff the small clock / is a very erschröcklich face of the Sun as erschinnen been in auffgang / and Nürmberg in the stat and before thor seen and eye-catching of the country 's cup and weybs many people. First place the sun with zweyen blood- colored half round painted / uniform when the Monn in abnemen / erschinnen and saw right through the sun has been / and inn the sun / up / down / and eye-catching beden seytte blood color / and a theyls blößliche or Eysenfarbe also schwartz color round ball stood / of the same same auff Bayden seytten and ringscheyben mod the sun herumb / be those blood-red / and the other balls in anzal much / ETWO drey inn the lenge / under weylen four inn a Quatrangel / also some ainzig stood / and and between such Creutzen balls his blood color streyme hinden thick / and forward hinauß / something geschmeydiger alls squat Rhor / Everywhere with a mixed geweser / velvety zweyen among other large Rorn / a for right / and the other for lincke handt stehent / in which small and large Rorn / to Dreyen / even and four more have been bulletproof . This all has anfahen with each other to streyten / the ball so erstlicht in the Sun ge finance herauß / auff the / to beyden been so seytten / gefarn / be the sampt been heraussen so the balls Auss the small and large Rorn / inn the sun into gefarn / to the

have the Ror as much all the ball gefarn with each other and / hefftig all arguing with each other and fought / bey a good hour / And as the Streyt the one weyl inn the sun in / and widerumb herauß out on hefftigsten and forth gefaren / herself follows abgematt together / is it anything like obverzeychnet of the sun / by Hymel down auff the ground immediately if there is anything Brennet alls like / and down here with a large vaporous auff the earth allgemach passed. For all these things is also uniformly schwartzen a spear / creates seen to Nidergang inn big dick and leng from the pointed auffgang / And . But what mean those zeychen / God alone is knowingly / but we dieweyl kurtz auffeinander / so much and mancherley zeychen on Hymel have / us by the Allmechtige God / of of our sinful life / so that he send us wolt to Buss Reitzen and lure / appear read / these things we have Leyder so undanckbar / beat that we despise such high zeychen and Wunderwerck God / Even spötlich talk about it / inn and thread / Zubesorgen [ ?] it will become for us God 's sake undanckbarkeyt our mod / send a taut schröckliche / However , the Gotsfürchtigen in no way [ ?] despise / sinner all these trewe warning ires gnedigen Vatters in Hymel behertzigen / ir life better / trewlich ask God / he sampt its cheap anger / wol earned the firm of us Wöll away / we alls his children here zeytlich / and like to live there forever

Darzu us all God Wölle helffen / Amen .
Bey Hanns Glaser Brieffmaler / ze Nürmberg .

And here are more images by the artist:

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reply to post by taoistguy


My German isn't that good.. oh that's old one even worse. Yes the Nuremberg sighting, if there were really ships fighting in the air, why hasn't there been any bodies, metals and wreckage? Did they even see any of the objects falling to the ground?

unitedcats.wordpress.com...

In the year 1561 on the 14th day of April in the morning between … [difficult special time phrase] … and … [difficult special time phrase], that is in the morning between 4 and 5 on the little clock, a very horrible vision showed at the sun when she rised and was seen at Nuremberg in the town and in front of the gate and at the countryside by alot of male and female persons. First the sun showed and was seen with two bloodcolored, halfround strokes like the diminishing moon right through the sun, and in the sun, above, under and on both sides stood bloodcolored and partly blueish or ironcolored, also blackcolored round orbs. The same on both sides and in circled plates around the sun – there were such bloodcolored and the other orbs in great numbers, standing three in a row, sometimes four in a quadruple, also alot as singles. And between such orbs alot of bloodcolored crosses have been seen, and between such crosses and orbs were bloodcolored strips, thick behind ["streyme hinden dick"] and to the front a bit smoother than … [ ? "hocken rho[?]“]. Mixed in between together with others stood two big tubes, one to the right and the other to the left [hand's side], in those little and big tubes were three, four and more orbs. This alltogether began to fight ["streyten"], the orbs first in the sun moved towards the ones standing at both sides, so the ones, which were outside, moved together with the orbs out of the small and large tubes into the sun.
Also the tubes moved towards each other like the orbs and everything fought and battled ["gestritten und gefochten"] with each other nearly one hour long. And after the battle, which moved for a while into and again out of the sun from one side to the other most violently, exhausted itself by each other, everything (as drawn above) fell from the sun and the sky down to the earth like burning alltogether and vanished ["vergangen"] down on the earth gradually [? "allgemach"] in a big smoke. After such events something like a black spear, the shaft from sunrise [east] and the head towards sundawn [west], has been seen with big thickness and length.

[It follows a lengthy phrasal standard passage from a typical christian viewpoint of that time, about warning signs of Godfather, the sin of the non-believers and the awaited day of judgement etc. Not very related to the event as such, but there is a hint by Hans Glaser, that the "signs" in the sky were significant in quality and numbers in the recent time.]

IF there are aliens, all points to two factions - the Reptilian, Grey, 'Old Empire', Earth underground dwellers, i.e Draconian aka demons plus any of such in space VS light beings aka angels, Pleiadeans, human looking, etc. IF there are, there seem to be two factions there.

Thanks Taoistguy for those links.

Thanks Taoistguy and Impactor for translating.

Well, in the first lines of the translated text it seems a description of some sort of sunlight reflection/refraction phenomenon.

But, then I get confused when it describes tubes and orbs and their movements, and mentions a battle between them and some sort of battle debris falling down to earth.

Could be some sort of light refraction phenomenon and the effects of looking to the sun directly and too much time?

meaningless333
Thanks Taoistguy for those links.

Thanks Taoistguy and Impactor for translating.

Well, in the first lines of the translated text it seems a description of some sort of sunlight reflection/refraction phenomenon.

But, then I get confused when it describes tubes and orbs and their movements, and mentions a battle between them and some sort of battle debris falling down to earth.

Could be some sort of light refraction phenomenon and the effects of looking to the sun directly and too much time?

Doesn't seem to be any mention of noise, just the visuals.

Doesn't seem to be any mention of noise, just the visuals.

Either the author forgot to mention or there was no perceptible sound. If it was the later, that most likely rules out fireworks.

Also bugging me is the mention of a black spear after the "battle".
An effect to eyesight from staring at the sun for too much time?

PhoenixOD
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth

 

I think its been demonstrated before that the lights in this picture are just lens flares of the lights at the bottom of the image.

The picture above is still image of a recreation used in a UFO documentary and is not actual footage or photo of the incident.

Never heard of the football stadium incident so thanks for that CircueDeTruth s+f

reply to post by anomalie


Thanks for the info.

reply to post by anomalie


Thank you. I didn't know that this photo was a reenactment photo. I just preferred this one associated with the event better than the other option I had for posting with the story which is this one:



Maybe this was the actual pic of the event, and I choose the one created for a documentary because it appealed to my personal tastes. I thought it looked prettier.

CdT

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


Yes i believe you posted a colourized version of the original black and white photo as far i know no real video footage is available.

The video below is recreation used in either UFO documentary or an X files episode (not sure which one) plenty still believe its genuine footage.

The only real warning about the interdimensionals, since even corporal ETs are different channels and dimensions since we're in a huge multiverse, and our channel is very dense and low. Dimensional does not equal astral, there are astrals on every plane and corporal on many planes.

What matters is the frequency of love and peace and goodness in our hearts, and what eye we see with, so that when you hold fear, and think its all scarey, you're sort of putting that around you. Reach higher within you and then nothing outer, concerns you, except for the joy of recognition that occurs when you're frequency raises, and sending compassion and understanding to anyone lost and into control and harm.

reply to post by Unity_99


Thanks Unity_99.

I try to strive to remain in the light of love and positivity. It's never the metaphysical world that brings me crashing down... I guess the boogey's/bad types are scared of me.

Generally PEOPLE award themselves that honor.

CdT

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