Solution to the debt crisis. Do not vote for republicans or democrats EVER AGAIN!

Solution to the debt crisis. Do not vote for republicans or democrats EVER AGAIN!

Constitutionalist Party
Green Party
Libertarian Party
Indepentant party

Anything other than the same two gangs fighting over who gets re-elected.
Vote for any third party just not Democrats or Republicans.
They got us here and they will keep us here.
They ran up the dept and created these crazy long corporate wars.
There is only two ways to stop this. Stop enabling them(with votes and not voting) and take away thier money(stop using thier services and thier products). Take away thier power and money.

Everything else is totally useless and ineffective.
Stop doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman

If a person wants to see the government go back to something more along the lines of what the constitution stands for then I recommend the Libertarian Party.

reply to post by SecretWeapon


I agree.


But hey if your a communist vote for the US communist party
If your a green for for the green party.
If your a socialist vote for the US socialist party.
if your a constitutionalist vote for the constitutionalist party.

DO NOT VOTE FOR REPUBLICRATS!

George Washington:
"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism."

affordable care act explained.

John_Rodger_Cornman
Solution to the debt crisis. Do not vote for republicans or democrats EVER AGAIN!

Constitutionalist Party
Green Party
Libertarian Party
Indepentant party

Anything other than the same two gangs fighting over who gets re-elected.
Vote for any third party just not Democrats or Republicans.
They got us here and they will keep us here.
They ran up the dept and created these crazy long corporate wars.
There is only two ways to stop this. Stop enabling them(with votes and not voting) and take away thier money(stop using thier services and thier products). Take away thier power and money.

Everything else is totally useless and ineffective.
Stop doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

The whole idea of "parties" of any kind cause people to play games and it is childish and stupid.

reply to post by Char-Lee


Problem is that joe normal thinks a party is "legitimate".

If so... Stop voting for Demopublicans.

How about getting rid of parties all together.

Then again that would mean that people have to research candidates and see what they stand for. The zombies have better things to do like play games, watch tv, hang with the other zombies ect.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


What makes you think that they will not fall into the same rut as the current power-hungry bunch has? Just curious...

Azdraik
How about getting rid of parties all together.

Then again that would mean that people have to research candidates and see what they stand for. The zombies have better things to do like play games, watch tv, hang with the other zombies ect.

Start at the State level where it all begins then...

The mere creation of "parties" is a Constitutionally protected practice of the People via the First Amendment and the assumed "free association" notion thereof. You cannot ban parties. You can however effect the political process by engaging in politics at the lowest level and move upwards.

Challenge the way your States' vote for Senators or how the body-politic gerrymanders their districts to get reelected.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


I vote to support The Independent Party, because it is the only party where integrity is the cornerstone.

All candidates sign an integrity pledge that commits them to only voting the way they have stated in their individually publicly published platforms, which must be consistent with the American Constitution and Bill of Rights. (Because they must swear to uphold and defend the Constitution when elected and integrity is the cornerstone of the Party)

They are respectful of people with differing values, goals and policy positions that are well thought out and are consistent with the American Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

The Independent party does not have a cohesive platform other than honesty in making pre-election promises and following through on their promises as best they are able.

Candidates can differ in their values, goals and promises, and be truly Independent and let the voters decide who they wish to choose. A Los Angeles member may have entirely different values, goals, and promises from a member in Alabama, however each must pledge to do all they can to uphold their personally stated values, goals and promises.

The only requirement for the Independent party is that candidates must have clearly stated goals, platforms, and values and must publish them publicly when running for office.

Once elected, members must adhere as strongly as possible to pre-election promises and statements or be removed from party support for the first offense and kicked out of the party for the second offense.
A defense for an offense is allowed if the elected official feels that a certain bill upholds their promises to constituents more than it harms their constituents based on their published platform.

There are standards to uphold. Not social standards, the party enforces the member’s own stated standards which are clearly laid out for the voter.

The standards set by the candidate are the measure, the stick by which integrity is measured.
Compromise in legislation is permissible as long as the elected representative can make a logical argument that the compromise upholds their promises/platform more than it goes against their promise/platform.

The party members are in no way be obligated to vote on a party line, since there is none, they are to vote the way they were elected by the people to vote as expressed in their public platform statement.

The Independent Party, holds as its primary value that elected officials are SERVANTS to the people and are to serve the people who elected them into office by doing their utmost to only vote the way stated in their public platforms.

In full disclosure, there is no such party, I just wish there were. Who wants to start it?

Sorry OP but it will not work this way.......
If "we" want to truly get the Democrats and Republicans out of office "we" will have to come together.
Splitting the vote between 5 or 6 parties will just ensure dems or repubs will win.
No, for this to really work "We The People" will have to get behind one set of candidates.
That would mean libertarians, members of the TP and members of Occupy should come together in a three year pact to clean house in DC.
We come together in 2014 and vote a set of third pary candidates, then we do the same in 2016.
I am not sure about Occupy but I truly believe that new Libertarian and TP members of congress would push for term limits.
After this is done the pact can be absolved and we can go back to the partisan bickering that we love so much :wink:
Quad

You do realize that the republicans were at one time a third party and they were voted in to replace the Whig party.

Now you propose to do the same thing again?

Quadrivium
Sorry OP but it will not work this way.......
If "we" want to truly get the Democrats and Republicans out of office "we" will have to come together.
Splitting the vote between 5 or 6 parties will just ensure dems or repubs will win.
No, for this to really work "We The People" will have to get behind one set of candidates.
That would mean libertarians, members of the TP and members of Occupy should come together in a three year pact to clean house in DC.
We come together in 2014 and vote a set of third pary candidates, then we do the same in 2016.
I am not sure about Occupy but I truly believe that new Libertarian and TP members of congress would push for term limits.
After this is done the pact can be absolved and we can go back to the partisan bickering that we love so much :wink:
Quad

Yes, yes and yes!

The Independent Party can do just what you have proposed!

I would love to see it a reality. A party that allows diversity of thought and ideas, letting "the people" decide and having members who are accountable to their constituents through a pledge of integrity and holding firm to the promises they make to the voters, their bosses.

Quadrivium
Sorry OP but it will not work this way.......
If "we" want to truly get the Democrats and Republicans out of office "we" will have to come together.
Splitting the vote between 5 or 6 parties will just ensure dems or repubs will win.
No, for this to really work "We The People" will have to get behind one set of candidates.
That would mean libertarians, members of the TP and members of Occupy should come together in a three year pact to clean house in DC.
We come together in 2014 and vote a set of third pary candidates, then we do the same in 2016.
I am not sure about Occupy but I truly believe that new Libertarian and TP members of congress would push for term limits.
After this is done the pact can be absolved and we can go back to the partisan bickering that we love so much :wink:
Quad

What good are term limits for members of Congress other than limiting the people's choices of who they want to represent them?

Spookybelle
You do realize that the republicans were at one time a third party and they were voted in to replace the Whig party.

Now you propose to do the same thing again?

Absolutely - unite under the Independent Party! Chase the scoundrels and "lifers" out.

Unite under the banner of restoration of honesty, integrity and upholding the constitution and bill of rights.

Term limits help to keep corruption away, also helps to keep "lifer" mentality of "I deserve the power, and the people serve me." attitude of our current government.

It also forces a return to a citizen government because there are no professional politicians who feel they know better than the little people.

grandmakdw

Spookybelle
You do realize that the republicans were at one time a third party and they were voted in to replace the Whig party.

Now you propose to do the same thing again?

Absolutely - unite under the Independent Party! Chase the scoundrels and "lifers" out.

Unite under the banner of restoration of honesty, integrity and upholding the constitution and bill of rights.

What your proposing though isn't a party, its more of a parliamentary template. Your party wouldn't last very long because of the decisive split on issues. Where would your party stand on the gay marriage issue? Well some people feel strongly enough about that to never support the other side or even be associated with them.

Your idea that a politician should be beholden to his constituents is noble but it won't work at a party level with just that as its basis.

grandmakdw


Term limits help to keep corruption away, also helps to keep "lifer" mentality of "I deserve the power, and the people serve me." attitude of our current government.

It also forces a return to a citizen government because there are no professional politicians who feel they know better than the little people.

edit on 16-10-2013 by grandmakdw because: fix quote

How exactly would it keep corruption away? Are lobbyists all of a sudden going to stop petitioning the politicians?

I hardly think so. In fact it will be worse because these young politicians don't know how to handle them whereas a senior politician does.

And how does it force a return to citizen government? Are the new people coming in any more devoted to the citizens than the guys leaving? If so, how do you know this?

And all politicians are professional. There is no such thing as an amateur politician. Why wouldn't you want a professional representing you anyways?

grandmakdw


Term limits help to keep corruption away, also helps to keep "lifer" mentality of "I deserve the power, and the people serve me." attitude of our current government.

You mean the term-limits that are already in place that keep the power in the hands of the People rather than a Government telling them they cannot vote for someone they believe in? I know it may seem broken and quite frankly it is, but term-limits; as ascribed by law, won't fix things since we already have them and we just vote people back into office who "bring home the bacon" anyway.

reply to post by Spookybelle


It is not important where the "party" stands on any given issue. It is important what the candidate promises to his/her constituents.

It is a radically different approach to a political party.

There are no proscribed social or policy positions, only to uphold the Constitution and Bill of rights and to create and publicly publish the values, goals and platform of the individual running and being held to what the members promise they will or will not do.

This is an outside the box, totally in your face, new way of looking at what is important and what is in the best interest of the American people.