The Firing of Eight Top Military Officers ...

reply to post by Tazkven


I remember this happening last year also. There was a thread on it, but I can't find it.

I did find a New York Times article from November 2012 listing some of the firings.

Despite the warnings, a worrisomely large number of senior officers have been investigated and even fired for poor judgment, malfeasance and sexual improprieties or sexual violence — and that is just in the last year.

- Concern Grows Over Top Military Officers’ Ethics

Also found threads speculating on a couple of the firings last year. They covered theories from military mutiny to martial law.

ATS Thread (Oct2012): US military planned mutiny on the Bounty to topple Obama. Planned backlash

ATS Thread (Jan2013): Shock claim: Obama only wants military leaders who 'will fire on U.S. citizens'

Is it possible they were removed from their "official" capacities so they can be assigned to a black ops mission?

Lots of us seem to want to believe that our military would never carry out orders to fire on US citizens, but don't guys like these owe their careers to being good at following orders? Just a thought.

If that's not the case, and they were truly ousted due to unwillingness to follow orders to fire on their countrymen (as some of you have posited), then these guys would be an invaluable asset to a resistance movement, if the need ever arose, wouldn't they?

For the record, I have no experience in the military, so these are just my personal thoughts as an armchair strategist.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I have to keep reminding myself of that as well. I don't believe the nature of the men walking into a recruiting office for a different path in life have changed all that much, or ever really will.

Those who run and lead it sure have changed though, haven't they? You could have the best Army the world has ever seen (come to think of it.....Oh, nvm..lol) and one fool running it for any length of time can bring it all to a crashing end. I think we're in for a crash here and it's going to be rough.

reply to post by Snarl


Power does go to the heads of some people, no doubt. There's always a few bad apples in every bunch, even the military. You probably remember the number of tragic "accidents" that befell SAC members who handled nukes from Minot AFB not long after the missing nuke affair as well where at least 4 or 5 people responsible for the nukes met untimely ends.
Lots of nasty business going on the place of power and innocent people getting killed or their careers ruined for simply maintaining protocol and refusing to go along with errant orders.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Although I agree with much of what you said with one exception:

There really aren't that many people singing the praises of Obama at this point. Maybe the first few years but now I think the general consensus is obvious.

Almost on the regular I see things that point directly to end times. In fact, I see things happen that either it's a.) prophetic or b.) made to look prophetic because this # doesn't just all happen on accident. It leaves me wondering, are things really as they appear to me or have I really gone off my rocker?

reply to post by Dianec


Sexual assaults have been on the rise in the military. A major revue was just finished which led to many of these dismissals. Sadly though, much of the worst conduct falls squarely on the shoulders of the PMCs (private military contractors) who are more or less immune to prosecution in theatres of operations. You might recall how hard it was just to bring to trial Blackwater for shooting dozens of innocent civilians in Nissour square - how many acts of murder and sexual assault have gone unreported? That alone should be enough to deter any young woman from joining the military - there are no safeguards or even protocols for relief in those situations.

Asktheanimals
Power does go to the heads of some people, no doubt. There's always a few bad apples in every bunch, even the military.

I don't hold human weakness against anyone. The wise amongst us avoid getting in over our heads. It's safe to say that brilliance and wisdom aren't synonymous.

Asktheanimals
You probably remember the number of tragic "accidents" that befell SAC members who handled nukes from Minot AFB not long after the missing nuke affair as well where at least 4 or 5 people responsible for the nukes met untimely ends.

I wasn't aware. That's what I like about this site. There is a wealth of information other people share. I thought the 'missing nuke' thing was just a hoax. I know we have lost a few in the past, but none that were recoverable.

Asktheanimals
Lots of nasty business going on the place of power and innocent people getting killed or their careers ruined for simply maintaining protocol and refusing to go along with errant orders.

Joe Fil didn't make the OP's list of eight. His plight is just now hitting the local news over here. Setup (as you suspected) IMVHO. Thing is ... it wouldn't serve the current administration unless TPTB 'honestly' wanted to avoid a future embarrassing disclosure. Why anyone would tear this guy down (even over the reasons publicly exposed) is beyond me. He did his job well as an LTG (3 star), carried himself well as a man, husband, and father, and didn't make enemies. If I had to guess, I'd say he was just an easy addition to the marks on someones sword hilt. But, with his retirement package, he'll have no problems fading away.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I didn't even think of the private military contractors but you bring up a good point. Military held to higher standards (understandably), but the same standars should exist across the board when it comes to representing this country.

I did a bit more reading and some of those fired had not even had trials. "Accused of, alegedly" are used throughout descriptions. I agree with some of the posters in here - these guys did not get to their positions by being insubbordinate or unethical. More evidence is needed to see how their crimes have been substantiated to draw conclusions - IMO.

I also think reasons such as "need to take different direction in afghanistan - need fresh person" are not good reasons to dismiss someone (initial dismissals). If you have never stepped in combat boots how can a person truly know what goes into every decision? As if a general would not follow instructions to change objectives? This excuse has never made sense to me - unless it is head butting. With that rank comes some pride. Put someone with no humility up against one of these guys with experience the stress and tension is bound to increase.

Asktheanimals
reply to post by Dianec

 

Sexual assaults have been on the rise in the military. A major revue was just finished which led to many of these dismissals. Sadly though, much of the worst conduct falls squarely on the shoulders of the PMCs (private military contractors) who are more or less immune to prosecution in theatres of operations. You might recall how hard it was just to bring to trial Blackwater for shooting dozens of innocent civilians in Nissour square - how many acts of murder and sexual assault have gone unreported? That alone should be enough to deter any young woman from joining the military - there are no safeguards or even protocols for relief in those situations.

Actually ... contractors are now as tightly controlled as the guys in uniform. Standard contract language subjects them to all rules imposed by a theater commander. I'm sure those lines of text could be purposely reduced from a contract, but for all intents and purposes, that loophole is closed. They're not going to face courts martial, but one individual could negatively impact an entire contract. I let a contractor go the other day for a simple curfew violation. Talk about the suck ... he was earning 180K/yr ... and will probably never work for Uncle Sam again.

The most recent data shows there are 924 Flag and General officers on active duty.

The current ratio of Flag officers to troops is the highest in history.

The herd needs to be thinned and any valid reason will do.

bg_socalif
The most recent data shows there are 924 Flag and General officers on active duty.

The current ratio of Flag officers to troops is the highest in history.

The herd needs to be thinned and any valid reason will do.

Agreed. And they need to get rid of the double-dip too. Some GOs retire on a pension (like $26K/month) which exceeds the federal pay cap. They can write off whatever they're unable to draw as a deduction. Talk about getting fleeced. And then they move on to other positions like the Secretary of Veteran's Affairs and the retirement that follows that. It's a good life if you can get it.

reply to post by bg_socalif


Good point and an angle that never crossed my mind reducing payroll costs ...

Obama is simply clearing the way for Ray Mabus to take over all aspects of the military and begin his prophecy as the ender of the world.....or so some may think. If the shoe..err...name fits, right?

Ray Mabus

As the Nostradamus quatrain says:

Century 2, Quatrain 62
Mabus will soon die, then will come,
A horrible undoing of people and animals,
Suddenly one will see vengeance,
100 hands , thirst , hunger , when the comet will run.

So....that should all happen pretty soon with Ison heading our way.

Way to go Obama....starting a Doom Porn campaign of your own!

reply to post by Tazkven


Isn't it more likely that the Obama administration is getting rid of those who WOULD go along with a Repub false flag (like Cheney's 9/11)? Seems just as likely that they're trying to keep those abusing power from doing so.

reply to post by Dianec


Well, if they were tried in public court we could find out. Military tribunals or other committees aren't subject to any kind of disclosure so far as I know. Last resort they can always claim National Security interests prevent them from saying.

reply to post by Snarl


Here's the main thread on the subject:
Within 7 days - 6 died at Minot Air Force Base 07 - Commander now dead
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Tazkven


Indeed, thank you for the OP.

Here is an outstanding article covering many more military officers that
have been removed during Obamas admin.

I remember this one just after Obama took office.

“Gen. David McKiernan, the four-star who lead U.S. ground forces during the successful lightning Iraq invasion. He was asked to resign command of allied forces in Afghanistan just four months into Obama’s presidency in 2009. Never fully explained, but the implication was administration dissatisfaction with the war’s progress.”

www.ijreview.com...

Some of most recent officers removed covered here by Diane Sawyer

Asktheanimals
reply to post by Dianec

 

Sexual assaults have been on the rise in the military. A major revue was just finished which led to many of these dismissals. Sadly though, much of the worst conduct falls squarely on the shoulders of the PMCs (private military contractors) who are more or less immune to prosecution in theatres of operations. You might recall how hard it was just to bring to trial Blackwater for shooting dozens of innocent civilians in Nissour square - how many acts of murder and sexual assault have gone unreported? That alone should be enough to deter any young woman from joining the military - there are no safeguards or even protocols for relief in those situations.

Strange it's been on the rise. Ill have to look into it to see what correlations exist. I would guess "most" go unreported. Likely date rape sorts of situations. I will have to become more familiar with these PMC's as well. I would think our military would be enough - trained for these jobs.

It is important for people to be held accountable (such as the person late for curfew). However if someone has made it to top rank I would hope to see a little dignity shown to them (if a couple of admin errors for example - along with some bad language). They're human. Sexual assault - no excuse for that.

Asktheanimals
reply to post by Dianec

 

Well, if they were tried in public court we could find out. Military tribunals or other committees aren't subject to any kind of disclosure so far as I know. Last resort they can always claim National Security interests prevent them from saying.

I'm not finding where any of these guys have spoken about their dismissals either. So that means they know they are guilty or they have been told more punishment for them and their families if they do. When dealing with powerful people (who we make powerful), they can make life miserable. I'm sure some of these felt unjustified. It has to feel like the end of life in this case - as if everything they had done was for nothing. I say treat others as we would like to be treated. It's so simple yet so few do it.

reply to post by Tazkven


Some of my fellow Christians have castigated me on my stand vis a vis O.

It seems to me that the evils demonstrated in his life and choices well before his SElection as Destroyer-in-Chief

required

some folks, at least, to stand up and sound a loud alarm that a demonized traitor was taking the figurehead but powerful helm.

I can't see whitewashing harshly black evil from the pit. I just can't.

And in his case, the evidence is piles thick and broadly based from virtually every direction.

He likely has been doing--well--obviously in many cases--he has been doing everything he can to deplete our military readiness at home and abroad . . . he's relatively neutralizing our capacity to defend ourselves . . . just as he was ordered to do.

Yes, I'm aware that we have awesomeness beyond the rest of the world combined . . . in who's hands? In the hands of the very oligarchy dedicated to burning us down to ashes in order to enable their overt establishment of their global tyrannical machine on the world stage be all the easier.

The threat of the EMP has to be significantly real to whatever degree, imho.

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