Are Masons terrorist organization?

cowgomoo
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Yes I can. Read further on same wiki page.

If you could read, you would see that the wikipedia source (wiki being considered an unreliable source for most applications where accuracy is actually important) specifically says that the group was formed in the "fashion" of the Freemasons.

Can you provide an actually credible source that says they are the same, not simply one fashioned in the likeness of another?

EnochWasRight
reply to post by cowgomoo

 

Freemasons are the builders who reject the chief cornerstone...

So in that very long diatribe, only the first sentence above it related to the topic of the thread. The rest is a ramble on of religious dogma IMO.

And to answer the OP, in a word........ NO.

No.

is the golf club terrorists or the astronomy club maybe the camera club but keep a watch on the pensioners club i have my suspicions about them what do they get up to once a week

reply to post by KSigMason

You couldn't be more incorrect, my friend. You should really research Mark Masonry and see how wrong you are regarding Masons and the cornerstone.

We have no world domination views you hilarious fool.

Masons are behind the Annie Warbucks cartoons and Daddy Warbucks is the personification of the profiteers making money off of war. This is established knowledge. Their symbols are urinated all over the world and represent the great work of building the temple of the material world under an economic system called the new world order. This is an established story that we all know well. It's out in the open. The Federal Reserve represents the Masons by symbols right out in their front entrance. Who is behind the Masons? We know. It's obvious and out in the open.

When Christ outlined the three groups to be condemned, he mentioned the Money Changers, the Builders and the High Priests. All of these were coined the 'experts in the law' because of their manipulation of natural laws for gain. True then and true today.

reply to post by cowgomoo


It really doese depend upon what you class as terrorism as to the established authority's of these country yes they were but take Italy.
en.wikipedia.org...
Now for hundred's of years it has been an excomunicable offence for any catholic to join Masonry, in short you can not be a catholic and a Mason and if you are then you are Excomunicated until such time as you repent and confess, renouncing the Masonic oath.

As one whom once swore an ancient varient on the Rosicrution oath that bind by the name of Jehovah whomever swear's it to fight Satan in life and if at all possible in Death and even though reading the passage in the new testament afterward in which christ forbade the swearing of Oath's especially by God thus releasing me I feel that knowing the Masonic Blasphemous heressy of calling Lucifer the bright morning star the Architect of the universe and the fatherhead of God that I for one can not tollerate them as the original Rosicrution order would have been at outright war with them if this had been known to them.
So two brotherhood's neither recognised by the church can not agree on this matter.

I would suggest that both the Mason's and the likes of the Rosicrutions (Both old and new) would best be classified as Cultic organisation's with some radical element and a great variation in internal interpretation and application of there status.

Back to Italy though, there are a very great number of Italians especially in recent years whom have joined the Italian branches of the Masons and for a very long time they were an outlawed organisation though there is some belief Mussolini and the italian fascists were actually Masons and the Masons have displaced the Mafia to a great degree in recent year's eroding there control and attracting young italians to another hidden organisation were nefarious deals can be struck behind closed doors.

There are a number of reasons as to why the world's largest organisation (Some catholic priests are Masons even though technically they can not be so they are false priests). Power, Ideology and money are but three though there are a great many more.

This is one reason why Masons have often used the protestant movement to stir up even more hatred of teh catholic church and why they have waged a hidden war against the catholic church though corrupt priests and peodophile bishops have done in a single generation more damage than they had in the predeeding several hundred years.

Anti marionite sentiment is nothing to do with protestantism but originates from the male dominated lodge as was it not christ himself from the cross whom said to his beloved apostle whom was standing beside his mother, behold your mother and to mary he said woman behold your son, was that apostle not representative of all christians regardless of denomination.

LABTECH767
As one whom once swore an ancient varient on the Rosicrution oath that bind by the name of Jehovah whomever swear's it to fight Satan in life and if at all possible in Death and even though reading the passage in the new testament afterward in which christ forbade the swearing of Oath's especially by God thus releasing me I feel that knowing the Masonic Blasphemous heressy of calling Lucifer the bright morning star the Architect of the universe and the fatherhead of God that I for one can not tollerate them as the original Rosicrution order would have been at outright war with them if this had been known to them.
So two brotherhood's neither recognised by the church can not agree on this matter.

Ah, yet another who isn't intelligent enough to actually read Pike AND understand it.
It's a shame, but then again it was in fact folks just like YOU that he was talking about in that passage.
Bwahahahahahahahah!

reply to post by network dude


I have never actually read pike and never intend too, though I believe he was a slave owner whom fought for the south and some conspiracy site's claim he was the King of the freemasons.

You know if you want an expample of a repentant mason whom was frightened for his soul to the degree that he was buried sitting upright so he could see the devil coming for him and holding a winning dual poker/Tarot deck before him then take a trip to my home city of Liverpool and visit Rodney street, there you will find this,
www.spookyisles.com...
Look familiar to yourself, go back to building your mound of stone's sisyphus.
www.mythweb.com...
No matter how hard you build that pyramid without God you are doomed to dwell in darkness for ever and never climb out of the hold the blind have led you into.

reply to post by cowgomoo

Here's something from my own website:

In the Mark Master degree, the candidate is taken back and represents a Fellow Craft during the construction of the Temple whose work is not appreciated at first, but later become the "chief stone" required to complete the Temple as seen in the Most Excellent Master degree. The candidate is instructed on many valuable lessons such charity and honesty. The candidate is also taught to distinguish his work with a "mark" (an extremely old practice) and how to properly receive his wages which was previously discussed in the Fellow Craft degree. This degree is considered to be the bridge between Operative and Speculative Masonry.

SOURCE

Also see:

- en.wikipedia.org... (I usually hate Wiki, but this is a good description)
- utahmarkmasonry.org... (You have to scroll down a bit, but go to Mark Ritual)

As for the Grand Orient, I'd have to find a book I have in storage to find the exact date of recognition, but if you look at the UGLE, you can see they recognize the Regular Grand Lodge of Italy and the Grand Lodges in America recognize the GOI. I've visited the Italian Brothers and they are a very hospitable bunch.

You deny Carbonari-Masons link?

I don't doubt that many were Masons, but as to being a recognized and regular body of Freemasonry, I do deny.

So you cant sell me story how you dont have nothing against RCC.

What I have against the RCC is personal and which I held before I joined the Masons. My personal beliefs are my own. In fact, some of my good friends are Catholic and some great Masons I know are Catholic.

reply to post by EnochWasRight

You continue to show the ignorant mistake opinion and belief for knowledge.

reply to post by LABTECH767

To any rational mind, Freemasonry is not a terrorist organization. The only enemies of Freemasonry are ignorance, tyranny, and fanaticism.

Catholics can join, but as you point out they can be excommunicated, but many still join.

Except Freemasonry doesn't consider Lucifer to be GAOTU as he was not a Supreme Being.

I know many Masons who were up to just recent years were harassed by the police for being Masons. The fascists and authoritarian elements in Italy have long suppressed Freemasonry. Mussolini outlawed Freemasonry during his reign of terror.

reply to post by LABTECH767

King of the Freemasons?! BWAHAHAHAHAHA That's funny right there. He presided over many bodies and contributed much to the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, but he wasn't a king. At least you're honest about not reading him.

Being a Mason doesn't condemn me to Hell or any darkness. Your ignorance though is intellectual darkness, a prison really.

reply to post by KSigMason


I am still waiting for ANY proof that Freemasonry is a terrorist organization.

Isn't there supposed to be proof with an allegation?

reply to post by KSigMason


Fair point if immaturely put but consider the fact's that I have and my perspective, may I ask do you know the oath to which I allude as it is the same one some lodges took when several rosicrutions broke there oath and merged with a german merchant's guild forming the freemasons first lodge which has no real provenance and legitamacy to the Stone mason guild, also I find it sad that 18th and 19th century mystical revival imagery based on Tarot card's and the supposed book of Thoth has been so adopted by masonry for its internal gnosticism as opposed to the equally opaque but more christian based gnosticism of the Rosicrution's.

Every argument has a point (of view) and can be regarded as a metaphorical lever around which the protagonist of said argument is trying to move the world but for those of us too firmly entrenched on our opposing point's we can only leave a desolation between us and so I choose to withdraw for now though I most certainly do not concede any ground.

I wish you peace though As despite the sudden fall from a more mature attitude I believe you to be a fairly decent sort as despite my disapproval of masonry I believe MOST masons are, I believe just hard working honest men but I fear for your soul's and that is my argument.

If what you are saying about the police and fascism is true then I must appologise as I do not wish to falsly accuse anyone though I think you can see my perspective as well and further to this I DO ACCEPT there are many good lodge's as a cake is defined by it's ingredient's and likewise there are many bad lodges, we have a saying "It takes a thousand good impressions to make up for one bad one".
Most high ranking German Nazi's however were member of Masonic lodges and Hess flew over to scotland to broker a treaty with members of the royal family that had been arranged through Masonic contacts, Realising however that the public were truly behind churchill they withdrew and Hess without the arranged landing field was captured so there was a definite link to Fascism though maybe not the ideology behind it though one can only assume Pike would have sided with hitler.

I have met several dissilusioned masons and have been told a few thing's about the favouritism and active clique's within the lodge's here in Lancashire as well as what we were told was done to my mother as far as her inheritance and the outright theft of it are concerned by the local Hierarchy.

I do not believe the modern Freemasonic Fraternities to be terrorist organisations, as they (publicly at least) have not performed acts of terrorism (that is any violent or threatening move) for political or religious gain.

That being said, the Freemasons of old could be considered terrorists by some. Even though their very ideologies have actually shaped the world of which we live in today.

I do remember reading some information on the Knights Templar degree of Freemasonry though. Apparently, they train in sword fighting techniques and are actually on an FBI list...I do not know if the information was legit though, especially considering that i can no longer find the information.

Daas.

reply to post by sonnny1

There have been some anti-Masons on this site and others who have openly admitted that facts and evidence do not matter and are of little importance when they making accusations, and I quote "what matters is the story".

reply to post by LABTECH767

I put it bluntly out of necessity. The only oaths I care about are those given in modern speculative Masonry and appendant bodies that I am member of.

I've never said that every Mason has been good, but you don't burn down an orchard over a few bad apples.

Pike would never have sided with Hitler. One only needs to read his actual works to see that.

I feel bad for the British Masons as they are always under assault by those who are trying their own version of a witch-hunt and red scare.

KSigMason

There have been some anti-Masons on this site and others who have openly admitted that facts and evidence do not matter and are of little importance when they making accusations, and I quote "what matters is the story".

Par for the course, eh?

I'm just glad there are folks that are actually Masons willing to dispel the myths and outright lies regardless if its about a juicy "fabricated" story.


Keep it real KSig.......

For those that can't tell, this is a sad thread, meant to do nothing but bash FreeMasonry. Every SINGLE poster who basically said no, freemasonry isn't a terrorist organization, was told they were "off topic".

Quite ironic....a thread asking if Masonry is a terrorist organization, and if you say no, you are off topic. What does that tell you of intention?


Attempting to smear the name of a large group of people, by linking them to another group of people, is not uncommon, nor creative. If I create a group of 10 men, say Group A, and one of those ten men creates a new group, called Group B.....does that mean whatever Group B does, Group A is also responsible for? Of course, this must be off topic :/

I only know one Mason. He's pretty nice, and quite the skeptic. He ridicules survivalism, conspiracy theories and doom- saying. Meanwhile, he's busy learning Mandarin and stocking up firearms (and keeps trying to sell me one.)

Terrorist? No. But there's definitely more going on with them than they are telling us.

Snsoc
I only know one Mason. He's pretty nice, and quite the skeptic. He ridicules survivalism, conspiracy theories and doom- saying. Meanwhile, he's busy learning Mandarin and stocking up firearms (and keeps trying to sell me one.)

Terrorist? No. But there's definitely more going on with them than they are telling us.

How do you know if there is 'more going on with them than they are telling us', if you only know one Freemason? Maybe your Freemason friend enjoys learning new languages and collecting firearms?

OtherSideOfTheCoin unless you can prove they have committed a act of terror then they are not terrorists.

The government says im a terrorist for supporting third parties.

reply to post by daaskapital


Fair point. One example does not equal the whole.

Still, my friend is incredibly lazy and pretty much a pacifist. It makes no sense for him to do those things. Mandarin is incredibly hard to learn and a hunter doesn't need assault rifles. It's most disturbing that since learning that I'm "paranoid," he has tried to sell me guns twice.

reply to post by LABTECH767


That's interesting. Never read Pike, yet you use one of his quotes to base your condemnation of Freemasonry on.

Since you won't be reading that passage, I will spoil it for you. He was poking fun at uneducated people thinking that "Lucifer" was anything other than a mistranslation of a Babylonian King. Somehow, folks latched on to it and claim Lucifer is the devil.

Here is some light reading about Brother Albert.

And I truly am grateful for your concern of my soul, but don't be worried. I have a great relationship with God, the creator of all, we talk, he listens, he helps. It's a shame you refuse to expend the little energy it takes to learn the truth of Freemasonry.