Time For Snowden Victory Celebration - NSA Bulk Spying Going Out Of Business.

Time For Snowden Victory Celebration - NSA Bulk Spying Out Of Business.
Patriot Act Author Prepares Bill To Put NSA Bulk Collection ‘Out Of Business’
Opening paragraphs

Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner's photo was deleted - out of respect for the patriots that congregate here at ATS, only to be replaced by the image of the most controversial personage of our generation - none other than:


This is really big news because Sensenbrenner carries a lot of weight in this important discussion. This is also a complete vindication for "Whistle-blower" Edward Snowden, and he is to be known by no other name than that. He's NOT a spy, or a traitor, or any other such thing as that. He exposed the truth, which is something this government despises and will attempt to kill Snowden over.

The rhetoric in this regard (I think at times demonically inspired) that spews like vomit out of Washington DC is absolutely deplorable - criminal even inasmuch as certain politicians have called for Snoweden's execution by assassination. Snowden has also brought to the forefront of the world's mindset the true nature of America as she is presently constituted, i.e., without a Constitution and a Bill of Rights to guide her in the manner that we have traditionally relied upon for strength and security in our persons. These have been abrogated in the name of National Security and the false "War on Terror." Shame on the United States of America.

The conservative Republican who co-authored America’s Patriot Act is preparing to unveil bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curtail the domestic surveillance powers it gives to intelligence agencies.
Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner, who worked with president George W Bush to give more power to US intelligence agencies after the September 11 terrorist attacks, said the intelligence community had misused those powers by collecting telephone records on all Americans, and claimed it was time “to put their metadata program out of business”.

[Sensenbrenner's] imminent bill in the House of Representatives is expected to be matched by a similar proposal from Senate judiciary committee chair Patrick Leahy, a Democrat. It pulls together existing congressional efforts to reform the National Security Agency in the wake of disclosures by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

Sensenbrenner has called his bill the Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ending Eavesdropping, Dragnet-Collection, and Online Monitoring Act – or USA Freedom Act, and a draft seen by the Guardian has four broad aims.

It seeks to limit the collection of phone records to known terrorist suspects; to end “secret laws” by making courts disclose surveillance policies; to create a special court advocate to represent privacy interests; and to allow companies to disclose how many requests for users’ information they receive from the USA. The bill also tightens up language governing overseas surveillance to remove a loophole which it has been abused to target internet and email activities of Americans.

Many lawmakers have agreed that some new legislation is required in the wake of the collapse in public trust that followed Snowden’s disclosures, which revealed how the NSA was collecting bulk records of all US phone calls in order to sift out potential terrorist targets.

5 bucks says it wont pass.

OUR reps are bought and paid for, nothing will become of this unless WE all start getting behind it like Syria.


Contact your reps, start writing, get on them, and may be, just maybe this might become something...


Though could always get vetoed by the POTUS...

ALSO: related in timely fashion, and its germane to the present discussion. Regardless of what you think of Snowden he's one of the most significant figures of this present time - certainly the most newsworthy. So please listen up.

NSA whistleblower Snowden criticizes U.S. in video
Audio too bit too low, and you might want to skip the short dinner parts, but overall - not too bad though.
upi.com October 12, 2013

NSA whistleblower Snowden criticizes U.S. in video
www.upi.com...
Former national security contractor Edward Snowden says the Obama administration allows top U.S. officials to lie while persecuting those who tell the truth.
Snowden made the accusation in Moscow last week during a closed-door banquet at which he was presented an award from an organization of U.S. whistle-blowers.
“We have an executive, the Department of Justice, that is unwilling to prosecute high officials who lied to Congress and the country on camera, but they will stop at nothing to persecute someone who told them the truth,” Snowden told the delegation from Sam Adams Associates.

Sensenbrenner is a traitor to the freedom that used to be the USA. This guy should be in jail for aiding and abetting the criminality of GW and his horde of intelligence thugs.

The guy is basically saying "Well I was playing with matches and accidentally burned the house down. Now that we're in our new apartment can I borrow your lighter."

I guess now that we're up to our necks in the s#@t even the arsonist is allowed to help. His repentance leaves me underwhelmed.

I am absolutely not trying to be contrarian.

But, this is the same Gov't who specifically made the things the NSA has done to us illegal in the first place.


It's not unlike the British (no harm meant) Police who can do little to enforce a law, instead of telling you to stop doing what you are doing again.


At least with the British Police, if you knock their hat off, they can no longer act in an official manner against you. Being outside of their complete uniform, they no longer have their authority to act as a policeman. Kind of sad, but, funny too.

And I feel that it relates rather well to the situation with the OP's article.


I wouldn't advise knocking a police officers hat off in England. Apparently it downright pisses them off.

Bassago
Sensenbrenner is a traitor to the freedom that used to be the USA. This guy should be in jail for aiding and abetting the criminality of GW and his horde of intelligence thugs. The guy is basically saying "Well I was playing with matches and accidentally burned the house down. Now that we're in our new apartment can I borrow your lighter."I guess now that we're up to our necks in the s#@t even the arsonist is allowed to help. His repentance leaves me underwhelmed.

I hope everyone here understands that the main thrust of this thread is about Edward Snowden and so that's where my emphasis lies - in case you haven't noticed already - Thank you.

Well I have similar feelings as you about him (Sensenbrenner), but I certainly hope I didn't leave the impression here as a result of having published this thread that I see him in a favorable - because I most certainly do NOT. The value of this thread for me at least lies in the vindication a an American hero falsely accused and who stands in need of repatriation. Hopefully actions such as Sensenbrenner's expression of anger over how he sees his (he's NOT the sole author btw) dastardly Patriot Act being mus-used and abused will help to bring about a full vindication for Ed Snowden - I give two F_____ about Sensenbrenner. As the OP of the thread I hope I made my self clear.

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Its Bi P.......it'll pass with amendments. Take at least a year.

As much as I appreciate Snowdens contributions towards transparency the fact remains that there has been an arrangement between the US and Great Britain that they would spy on each other's populace and pass on the results.
Even if the NSA were stopped from wholesale data collection rest assured MI6 would pick up any slack. Or they would just pass on the duties to another Alphabet agency.
This is feel-good legislation at best, intentional mockery at worst.
I lean towards the latter explanation.

YodHeVauHe

The value of this thread for me at least lies in the vindication a an American hero falsely accused and who stands in need of repatriation. Hopefully actions such as Sensenbrenner's expression of anger over how he sees his (he's NOT the sole author btw) dastardly Patriot Act being mus-used and abused will help to bring about a full vindication for Ed Snowden - I give two F_____ about Sensenbrenner. As the OP of the thread I hope I made my self clear.

You're right. Didn't mean to go sideways on your thread. My apologies for that. Sensenbrenner makes me more than a little upset.

As far as Snowden is concerned the guy is an American hero. He should return to the US with parades from coast to coast and a holiday named after him. Sadly he'll be lucky to get out of Russia, even to the EU. Even if he manages that he'll probably be black bagged, tortured and killed.

Not going to happen.

Before snowden, there was fiscal authorization for two NSA collection complexes - everyone knew about it they were built right out in the open. One is open for business. What did folks think those buildings were for? They'll collect forever, they have the building, the tools, and the mandate - people don't want a terrorist to kill them in their backyard and this collection stops things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora and so on long before they ever happen. This collection process has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so.

crankyoldman
Not going to happen.

Before snowden, there was fiscal authorization for two NSA collection complexes - everyone knew about it they were built right out in the open. One is open for business. What did folks think those buildings were for? They'll collect forever, they have the building, the tools, and the mandate - people don't want a terrorist to kill them in their backyard and this collection stops things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora and so on long before they ever happen. This collection process has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so.

More BS - ........and by the way "things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora," and most especially event such as 9/11 etc., all/were all false flag fraudulent operations. Those who think otherwise are either naive in the extreme (aka stupid), or intentionally working for the other side in an effort to promote an eventual state of martial law and a police state in America by means of the Marxist/Communist dictatorship presently set in place by the present administration.

YodHeVauHe

crankyoldman
Not going to happen.

Before snowden, there was fiscal authorization for two NSA collection complexes - everyone knew about it they were built right out in the open. One is open for business. What did folks think those buildings were for? They'll collect forever, they have the building, the tools, and the mandate - people don't want a terrorist to kill them in their backyard and this collection stops things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora and so on long before they ever happen. This collection process has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so.

More BS - ........and by the way "things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora," and most especially event such as 9/11 etc., all/were all false flag fraudulent operations. Those who think otherwise are either naive in the extreme (aka stupid), or intentionally working for the other side in an effort to promote an eventual state of martial law and a police state in America by means of the Marxist/Communist dictatorship presently set in place by the present administration.

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If you just called me stupid you might want to take that back, as to demonstrate one's ignorance via that kind of name calling is the lowest you can get. You throw out the term false flag like every other yahoo. You toss out ever single bumper sticker meme in order to demonstrate your superiority. i realize you are a genius, an expert, a know it all, and it it clear by your overly simple view of the world. But your comprehension is beyond failed. I was clearly, CLEARLY being factious, which, were to be as educated as you claim to be you would have clearly understood.

I also stated, very clearly, the building were built to collect data, they spent billions of tax payer money to collect data. They invested countless man hours to collect data. What makes you think the are simply going to walk away from that investment? Because some jerk-off congressman says so? He takes orders, and not from tri-lateral, bilderberg, or any other meme-name you know. He takes orders, period. His orders were to build this thing, which he did without a problem, and they'll use it. Snowden was a stooge, a CIA plant whose job was to get folks to accept the collection, in three more months it all will be forgotten.

Betcha didn't know why they built it? Betcha you think think it was to "spy on Americans" to put them in jail for anti American behavior? I'll betcha that's as far as you got. That's not the reason...

Read, Comprehend. Write, wait, Rewrite. That should be your motto.

The conservative Republican who co-authored America’s Patriot Act is preparing to unveil bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curtail the domestic surveillance powers it gives to intelligence agencies

This is great news, I hope it passes. And that's from someone who used to be in intelligence. The people in intelligence (and the MIC) believe they are basically doing "the lords' work" so to speak, so they think they are above the law.

crankyoldman

YodHeVauHe

crankyoldman
Not going to happen.

Before snowden, there was fiscal authorization for two NSA collection complexes - everyone knew about it they were built right out in the open. One is open for business. What did folks think those buildings were for? They'll collect forever, they have the building, the tools, and the mandate - people don't want a terrorist to kill them in their backyard and this collection stops things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora and so on long before they ever happen. This collection process has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so.

More BS - ........and by the way "things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora," and most especially event such as 9/11 etc., all/were all false flag fraudulent operations. Those who think otherwise are either naive in the extreme (aka stupid), or intentionally working for the other side in an effort to promote an eventual state of martial law and a police state in America by means of the Marxist/Communist dictatorship presently set in place by the present administration.

edit on 12-10-2013 by YodHeVauHe because: (no reason given)

If you just called me stupid you might want to take that back, as to demonstrate one's ignorance via that kind of name calling is the lowest you can get. You throw out the term false flag like every other yahoo. You toss out ever single bumper sticker meme in order to demonstrate your superiority. i realize you are a genius, an expert, a know it all, and it it clear by your overly simple view of the world. But your comprehension is beyond failed. I was clearly, CLEARLY being factious, which, were to be as educated as you claim to be you would have clearly understood.

I also stated, very clearly, the building were built to collect data, they spent billions of tax payer money to collect data. They invested countless man hours to collect data. What makes you think the are simply going to walk away from that investment? Because some jerk-off congressman says so? He takes orders, and not from tri-lateral, bilderberg, or any other meme-name you know. He takes orders, period. His orders were to build this thing, which he did without a problem, and they'll use it. Snowden was a stooge, a CIA plant whose job was to get folks to accept the collection, in three more months it all will be forgotten.

Betcha didn't know why they built it? Betcha you think think it was to "spy on Americans" to put them in jail for anti American behavior? I'll betcha that's as far as you got. That's not the reason...

Read, Comprehend. Write, wait, Rewrite. That should be your motto.

The sarcasm seemed crystal clear to me, spot on with everything else too....

crankyoldman......I was clearly, CLEARLY being factious, which, were [sic] to be as educated as you claim to be you would have clearly understood.

I went over your post
again in it entirety so as to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I must state in all sincerity that, in addition to being rife with nasty remarks against the OP, obtusely worded falsehoods, and downright "extremely naive" comments as regards the present state of affairs respecting the abuse of American 'intelligence' as pertains to being directed against the 'people,' and the consequences thereof, its the most ill informed post I have read to date.

You described yourself as stupid, and you then went on to defend your position as having been ?"factious"? Are you really telling us that that's a good and reasonable defense? After reading the definition you might want to re-think that, because as you might be able to determine - being 'factious' is not something to be proud of, nor is it anything to brag about as regards posting here at ATS.

fac·tious -ˈfakSHəs/ - adjective
1. relating or inclined to a state of faction. "a factious country"
synonyms: divided, split, schismatic, discordant, conflicting, argumentative, disagreeing, disputatious, quarreling, quarrelsome, clashing, warring, at loggerheads, at odds, rebellious, mutinous.

PS - As for your untoward and sarcastic remarks about my being 'educated' I do not recall ever having mentioned to anyone here anything about my education. So it must be something you are fantasizing about - like so many other of your comments.

Artlogic [crankyoldman] - The sarcasm seemed crystal clear to me, spot on with everything else too....

Thanks for pointing that out to our readers. The naive sarcasm of crankyoldman seemed especially obvious to the rest of us as well.

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These posts are related only insofar as they comment on the video therein that shows part of Snowden's attendance at the Awards Conference : Snowden receives Sam Adams Award in Moscow, but the commentary seems a bit deeper as to the actual "real and present danger" that unbridled NSA spying and surveillance intrusions present, not only to the USA, but to the rest of the world as well. And believe me when I tell you they (the rest of the world) are very concerned about the truculent and dictatorial policies of this present administration.

We should all be somewhat grateful for the honest and forthright reporting over at PressTV - without it howsoever would we hear the "other side of the story?"
US spying limiting people’s ability to think: Snowden

A few EXCERPTS by Snowden and political analyst Hamid Golpira

US surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden says Washington’s spy programs are limiting people’s ability to speak and think freely, diminishing their creativity, and making their lives insecure.


"People all over the world are realizing that these programs don't make us more safe, they hurt our economy, they hurt our country, they limit our ability to speak and think and live and be creative, to have relationships, to associate freely," said Snowden.

Snowden underlined the dangers of NSA spy programs, saying, "It's a sort of dragnet mass surveillance that puts entire populations under a sort of eye that sees everything, even when it's not needed.”

“Unless there are some restraints put on this whole thing, we are heading toward a kind of total surveillance Orwellian world, as Orwell described in his book 1984, if it is not already more or less there, which is not a good thing for privacy, and it is not a good thing for a lot of issues. And it is not a good thing for people who are working for social justice if some of this surveillance is meant to undermine that,” he stated. Hamid Golpira


“It is not a good thing as far as… allowing people to think for themselves, if this metadata is being used to analyze trends and to figure out what people are thinking and to figure out how to influence people’s way of thinking. So, it is not going in the best direction… unless the masses of the people begin to… rise up in large numbers and begin to say, OK, we want a little bit of control on this, we do not want a total surveillance world,” Golpira observed. Hamid Golpira.

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crankyoldman
Not going to happen.

Before snowden, there was fiscal authorization for two NSA collection complexes - everyone knew about it they were built right out in the open. One is open for business. What did folks think those buildings were for? They'll collect forever, they have the building, the tools, and the mandate - people don't want a terrorist to kill them in their backyard and this collection stops things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora and so on long before they ever happen. This collection process has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so.

The allegations in your post (above) regarding NSA having thwarted so-called 'terrorist attacks' before they happen is thoroughly refuted HERE ---> NSA isn’t foiling terrorist plots Please read it and you will see that your government as expressed through the dictatorial edict of the Obama administration is lying to you - big time. The claim you make that NSA's illegal data collection procedures "... ... ...has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so." is utterly preposterous and completely unfounded on its face.

And this was intended to get a good laugh out of all of us here gathered - right? ---> and "I know because they say so." Well it sure did accomplish that

YodHeVauHe

crankyoldman
Not going to happen.

Before snowden, there was fiscal authorization for two NSA collection complexes - everyone knew about it they were built right out in the open. One is open for business. What did folks think those buildings were for? They'll collect forever, they have the building, the tools, and the mandate - people don't want a terrorist to kill them in their backyard and this collection stops things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora and so on long before they ever happen. This collection process has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so.

The allegations in your post (above) regarding NSA having thwarted so-called 'terrorist attacks' before they happen is thoroughly refuted HERE ---> NSA isn’t foiling terrorist plots Please read it and you will see that your government as expressed through the dictatorial edict of the Obama administration is lying to you - big time. The claim you make that NSA's illegal data collection procedures "... ... ...has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so." is utterly preposterous and completely unfounded on its face.

And this was intended to get a good laugh out of all of us here gathered - right? ---> and "I know because they say so." Well it sure did accomplish that

edit on 13-10-2013 by YodHeVauHe because: (no reason given)

Ummm I'm pretty much certain where he says:

people don't want a terrorist to kill them in their backyard and this collection stops things like: Boston, Sandyhook, Aurora and so on long before they ever happen. This collection process has stopped thousands of mass killings, thousands - I know because they say so.
....that's straight sarcasm, the guy is joking, being facetious -
adjective
not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
amusing; humorous.
lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.
Essentially you are getting all snarky and irritated at people who are agreeing with you....

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Nonsense - his comments didn't come off a 'facetious' at all. In fact, he further confounded the issue by going on to describe his remarks as "factious" I suppose because he is not very familiar - either with the English language itself - or at the very least - with certain fundamental aspects of the language arts. If he is being misunderstood then he should take care to correct himself CORRECTLY, which of course, he did not.

Its not incumbent upon on the 'reader' to "read the mind" of the one posting - who should be clear and precise - Why? This is a remote medium and we do not have access to the ordinary language cues that we would normally have at our disposal were we in the same room together.

But thank you for the clarification anyhow - now I understand a little better something that - on the face of it - looked as though it had been written out of the Cass Sunstein playbook or the like.

As I said - its up to him to be clear. Discussion ends. Thank you.

So - My apologies for any misunderstanding here on this end..........


PS - please realize as well that there are many out there - and some in here even - that actually believe the 'sarcasm' as posted by crankyoldman as being "tried and true." In other words, they really think that's what happening and that we are either 'conspiracy nut at best - or traitors at worst for refuting such things as that which is under discussion now.