Live -Truckers Ride for The Constitution D.C.

False flag for sure. False promise of a convoy.

I think ATS has to make a new forum..?

TDawgRex

Just had to go there!

Love it!

reply to post by MrSpad


How do you think it happened in the 60's? People were protesting for all sorts of reasons, and they weren't all organized in such a way that there were massive crowds. They took time to build up to those levels, yet that is what people envision when they think of protesting. It was also just as confusing - not being able to always pinpoint what they were fighting against as it wasn't always one or two things. And yes - people stereotyped them as "crazy" or "radical" We see a lot of shame with statements like that so it is no wonder people are afraid to do it.

It is my understanding this is about gas prices, and excessive regulation - making it impossible for these independent guys to operate. They explain it on their facebook site (and you don't have to join facebook to read it as I was able to do so). Some have stated they are tired of other things but I think this is the crux of it.

With the demonstrations you listed, this is a sign of peoples grievances not being addressed. We know this is one cause of terrorism as well. Not that any of the people in these demonstrations would resort to that - but we have these freedoms for a reason. They should not need to be exercised, but when it gets to this point I believe people should dig deeper into "why" before throwing shameful statements about their movement out there.

The media have silenced the voices of a few of these demonstrations as well - with the biker one being the most recent. Because it is not sensationalized does not mean their attempt is less valid. Sadly though - people base their opinions on media coverage - including when they do choose to cover, and add eye rolling and laugh at such people - further solidifying the stereotype that exists.

By the way I am neither for or against their cause - I simply support them because they are exercising their rights in a peaceful way, and are clearly being hurt by the conditions that have been forced upon them.

reply to post by Realtruth


its a nice thought...and the intent is good...but this isnt going to achieve anything...if people are hoping this will bring down those corrupt b@stards in power they are wrong. And the only thing that will help any of us is getting rid of the scum

Dianec
It is my understanding this is about gas prices, and excessive regulation - making it impossible for these independent guys to operate. They explain it on their facebook site (and you don't have to join facebook to read it as I was able to do so). Some have stated they are tired of other things but I think this is the crux of it.

No, that's what it was supposed to start out as. It rapidly got twisted into "arresting Congress", removing Muslims from the government, and oh by the way, a couple of trucker problems too. It might have turned out differently if it was about trucker problems first, and oh by the way, some social issues too instead of the other way around.

This was so poorly organized it isn't funny. I don't recall a single driver talking about it anywhere, unlike the last time they tried.

reply to post by Zaphod58


A tiny minority using the internet as an amplifier: "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

reply to post by Zaphod58


I just listened yesterday to the lead guy saying this wasn't about arresting anyone - or anything you just said. I also read a statement by him - this morning - saying there has been an attempt at sabotoge with someone claiming to be them saying these things. He followed up with the page being investigated, and confidence that it would be shut down soon.

In spite of this, if some truckers are spouting off other grievances it can make it confussing. But this also happened in the 60's. That's why it is important for the lead person to bring it back to the topic at hand. Each person will have unique opinions but that doesn't (or should not) change the focus. That's what these rallies do - people vent everything since they feel they can be heard. Not at all uncommon.

And the media can use this to their advantage. What I see is an overall disconent with how government is using their power. The stuff about arresting people has been unsubstantiated by the guy organizing it. It appears he is trying to bring it back to center but stuff like this spreads like wildfire since people are so anxious to find a reason to not support.

Those truckers are mad as hell and they aint gonna take it anymore. They want the gubmint out of their lives!!!

What better way to show those damn socialists than by getting into their big rigs (all 20 of them) and driving on the federally mandated, taxpayer funded interstate highway system!

Everybody knows that Walmart and Facebook would have built those highways if only that commie Eisenhower hadnt foiled their Free Market solution. Study it out.

Zaphod58
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Because the people in charge were advocating illegal activities. They wanted company drivers to park in fuel islands and sabotage their trucks so that the truck stop couldn't do any business.

Interesting. Is that substantiated or rumor? I have heard nothing like this from the lead guy in what I have read or heard - and that has just been since yesterday. The truckstops are taking donations for fuel and being supportive. Of course - that's just what I've seen in the last 24 hours (checking in here and there). If they did this before that they have certainly changed their tune and the truck stops have forgiven easily. I know there must be a valid reason though so not ruling yours out. Just can't make sense of it yet - based on what I have seen.

reply to post by Dianec


Exactly, that is why I said it started out as that. It started as a protest of trucking issues, which is a good thing. But then the other two people that have been recognized as the "other organizers" distorted the message, and tried to take it over, and twisted it into what it became and pushed him to the side.

Once Zeeda Andrews and Peter Santilli got involved, it got usurped. They have nothing to do with trucking, but came in and pushed Earl to the side, and took the entire campaign over, and twisted it into something that it wasn't meant to be.

If this had remained a truck driver protest, you probably would have seen some real numbers show up, but it wasn't, it was a racist venom filled twisting of what it should have been, and the truck drivers didn't even know about it in a lot of cases.

reply to post by Dianec


If you listen to Earl, who organized it in the first place, and SHOULD have been the one talking, then it would have been exactly what it was supposed to be. But Zeeda and Peter wanted to shut everything down. As far as I know it's substantiated. I haven't seen anything refuting it.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Thank you for explaining that. So a couple of radicals screwed it up and that is why there are lower numbers. That's really too bad to since the initial intention was good. I hope this Earl guy will prevail - at least with the message in the end.

Zaphod58

This was so poorly organized it isn't funny. I don't recall a single driver talking about it anywhere, unlike the last time they tried.

Agreed. The fact they kept boasting how organized they were is kind of a let down, but I have to give the credit for a least trying.

If they would have picked a reasonable goal, then even a poorly organized protest would have been a success.

Baby steps are good, instead of delusional and diluted goals that may never come to fruition, in a short time frame.

When a group of people is trying to create greater awareness, then they need to be rock solid in their delivery. ( No Pun intended )

well they still have a fair bit of online support, their live stream has almost 20,000 followers now!

reply to post by SadistNocturne


Over the years I've had occasion here and there to have dealt with some of the types you mention. Not Secret Service, but US Marshals and a few other agencies. The folks in suits have always struck me as arrogant and having a superiority complex for the most part. Not all, but the vast majority. They don't scare me, either, and not a one has ever succeeded in putting my "underling" butt in it's place.

In other words, they may feel themselves "superior", but I've never shared the sentiment with them, nor given them any indication that I did. That bad attitude of mine may have played a part in not having any more trouble out of them than I have. Maybe they thought I wasn't worth the trouble, maybe they thought I was just too dumb to be educated properly, and maybe some of them felt that putting me in my "proper place" would have been more trouble than I was worth. I dunno, and care less what their reasoning was.

Some of them contracted me to work for them, and even then the suited agents I had to deal with mostly had that same superior attitude, but they didn't give me much trouble. I reckon maybe I just wasn't worth the effort, but that kept us both happy, and the jobs got done - and they didn't have to get their own hands dirty to do them, or take time out of their busy cocktail schedules to attend to the mundane.

Now with that said, there is a large difference between making specific threats against specific targets and making the general observation that if something doesn't ease up, something is bound to snap. Your drunk got too specific. That's bound to draw some questioning.

Am I angry about current events? You betcha. Am I going to refuse compliance as I've said? Yup - you can take that to the bank. In my case, however, "they" (the suits) have an odd notion that they can deal with me (individually) when the time comes, and that I'll cave. It's that superiority complex getting in their way. What they seem not to comprehend (the superiority complex again) is that while they are giving ME the hairy eyeball and sharpening the stakes for the pit they intend to try driving me into, there are OTHER folks out there less noisy than I, who are quietly laying in supplies and organizing. THEY aren't very happy, either, but they are smart enough not to be too noisy about it until they can throw a surprise party.

I'm just not that smart, making me entirely harmless to them.

SO - while the suits and jackboots are concentrating force on ME, as I have no doubt they eventually will, they really ought to have been paying attention to what was sneaking up behind them.

That force might be a bit larger concentration than they were planning for. I have no idea WHO that force may be specifically, but I don't have to know - I just read signs.

What are the boaters going to do? Blockade the Potomac? I'm only a couple of hours away.I could check it out.

reply to post by Realtruth



Since U2U is near worthless... I just wanted to ask you to come visit this thread of mine please...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

khimbar

Sublimecraft
reply to post by Realtruth

 

I am very proud of my American brothers and Sisters this day.

I hope to tell my kids in the future about the day America was taken back from tyranny and the rule of Evil greedy scum.

11th October 2013.

Sorry, just checking. How is this in any way taking the future back from tyranny and the rule of evil again?

It reminds the lobbyists and committees that Americans across the continent are real physical people and not simply statistics or cost values on a Powerpoint presentation or spreadsheet, by demonstrating the capability of self-organizing and projecting themselves into their space (the Washington commute freeways).

nenothtu
reply to post by SadistNocturne

 

Over the years I've had occasion here and there to have dealt with some of the types you mention. Not Secret Service, but US Marshals and a few other agencies. The folks in suits have always struck me as arrogant and having a superiority complex for the most part. Not all, but the vast majority. They don't scare me, either, and not a one has ever succeeded in putting my "underling" butt in it's place.

I absolutely hear you. I do.

I'm just not going to be the one to "say" it publicly. I've seen how fast they move. I know how fast things can change. Given that I work with databases, and my full understanding of electronic data and the fact that everything about this forum resides IN a database..well , suffice it to say I feel there are a few avenues that are a wee bit saver than this for such talk.

When the time comes, things will change. In the meanwhile, I am quietly and cautiously watching.