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Stormdancer777
I don't want a title, for one thing I don't fit into any category, my views are different and leanings are different depending on the subject, I believe most are this way, we let them pigeonhole us into groups to divide against one-another.
The reality is we are all going to go down together.
luciddream
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
They need to die off first, until then others don't matter.
So right ow 3rd party 4th party, whatever you choose is bound to fail.
The majority is either left tor right. That is just the truth, so you will end up belonging to one of them.
and Libertarian belong to republicans.
I vote for democrats because they are not bible-thumping bigots. I don't vote for Libertarians because I believe in the part of the preamble that says "to provide for the general welfare..." The only welfare the libertarians seem to care about is their own, and that just doesn't jive with the idea that our nation is a collective.
The United States Constitution contains two references to "the General Welfare", one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause. The U.S. Supreme Court has held the mention of the clause in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution "has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government of the United States or on any of its Departments."
Moreover, the Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power, but a qualification on the taxing power which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government. The Court described Justice Story's view as the "Hamiltonian position", as Alexander Hamilton had elaborated his view of the taxing and spending powers in his 1791 Report on Manufactures. Story, however, attributes the position's initial appearance to Thomas Jefferson, in his Opinion on the Bank of the United States.
As such, these clauses in the U.S. Constitution are an atypical use of a general welfare clause, and are not considered grants of a general legislative power to the federal government.
MsAphrodite
Liberals aren't liberal. It's complete double speak. The ultimate misnomer.
signalfire
Errr; could you please define what *you* think a liberal is, then? I'm truly curious since the word is bandied about so much, I'm beginning to think all these labels mean something different to everyone who is using them.
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
con·ser·va·tive (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
4.
a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
tothetenthpower
It's a liberal idea to invade people's lives, create PC laws and inflict large government on people.
Originally conservatives followed the mantra of small government, no taxation without representation and fairness, and the right to be left the hell alone as long as you weren't infringing on the rights of others.
Don't get confused. The Globalists want you to think that those two groups, liberal and conservative are different, but really they've been the same for a very long time. It's part of double think in the 21st century.
Krazysh0t
reply to post by solomons path
I've come to the conclusion it is just cognitive dissonance that people like Lucciddream are using. They feel like the Democratic party can do no wrong and when the obvious flaws of the party are pointed out then it must be an attack from the Republicans who are trying to make them look bad. Therefore if it is someone who says they are from an independent party like the Libertarians, then they are obviously just Republicans in disguise. It gets even weirder when you see Democrats disagreeing with the party line, then they are DINO's or are really Republicans pretending to be Democrats.
All these rationalizations so that they do not have to deal with the very real FACT that the Democratic party isn't everything that it says it is. It is very terrifying to see as it allows the Democratic party to avoid blame for their failings. One could also equate it to religious belief, that it is true regardless of all facts to the contrary.
luciddream
reply to post by Krazysh0t
It simple logic.
If you are 90% against Democrats. 90% similar to republicans?
What are you leaning toward?
Just a quick profile view is enough to say what side you lean.
Whatever we may say, the two parties are the dominant forces, until that is dissected, everyone lean to one side more.
Denial is all i see.
John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
Its like a psychosis or something.
Why do people support big government?
MsAphrodite
reply to post by signalfire
Spend a little time researching. Look up: Classical Liberalism, Neo Liberalism, Social Liberalism etc.
tothetenthpower
reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
What?
Libertarianism is the most conservative you can get.
The problem is that you think that today's GOP Conservative is an actual conservative. They aren't, they are just dressed up liberals.
It's a liberal idea to invade people's lives, create PC laws and inflict large government on people.
Originally conservatives followed the mantra of small government, no taxation without representation and fairness, and the right to be left the hell alone as long as you weren't infringing on the rights of others.
Don't get confused. The Globalists want you to think that those two groups, liberal and conservative are different, but really they've been the same for a very long time. It's part of double think in the 21st century.
It's pretty damn effective.
~Tenth