Hitler and Evas postcard from Argentina

Juan Peron and Evita Peron, were the main benificiaries of the laundered money of the Nazis, Juan sold ten thousand blank Argentinian passports for a princely sum. So high ranking Nazis could turn into smoke. The sums involved were so big that "Silencio" seems to be the key word. German Submarines and Planes were flying down to Patagonia long before the war ended.
Added to this since Spains Genralisimo Franco, wasn't in the war, one would ask why not? since he was in power because the German airforce bombed the international brigade during the Civil war, and he retained power thanks to Hitlers support. I would suggest that he was told to stay neutral in the event the war went against the germans and they would have some where to evade judgement. But most Argentinians still hold dual citizenship with Spain its no wonder, that the only bones reputed to be Hitler's turned out to be a womans. south.greyfalcon.us... Stalin when asked where was Hitler, he replied "He escaped to Argentina" Mabey he wasn't that worried and thought perhaps tyrants should be allowed a get out of jail card? the power that was Hitler's didn't exist anymore anyway.

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Id like to see the DNA evidence backed up by an independent lab, and I'd say that's a good conspiracy right there...

Sometimes I get the feeling Hitler was a completely oblivious patsy with strings being pulled from above. Same kinda thing comes up when you consider OBL and all the conflicting information as well...

boncho
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Id like to see the DNA evidence backed up by an independent lab, and I'd say that's a good conspiracy right there...

Sometimes I get the feeling Hitler was a completely oblivious patsy with strings being pulled from above. Same kinda thing comes up when you consider OBL and all the conflicting information as well...

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nz.bing.com... I don't know whether this will come up but the the vid states when the Carpenter met Hitler he was being supported by two guards which would have been the case as his parkinsons wouldn't have been getting any better. Its interesting that now the juntas have left the Argentine more information is coming to light. When bing comes up put in "Hitler in Argentina video" Then some interesting stuff comes up.

This I believe. Many of them went to Canada and to South America and thats where Hitler went.

Do you have any credible sources which support this? Where did you hear that Stalin said that Hitler escaped to Argentina? There were two suicides associated with Hitler within feet of each other. The insinuation that Hitler is alive is rather steep, but I'd be interested in at least hearing your case. Funnily enough this was just discussed today but not in sincerity in class. He was also funnily enough mentioned with Elvis, Tupac and Michael Jackson. But that's another story.

If you'd be so kind as to either refer me to some sources or books, that'd be very compelling evidence to support the claim.

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Jim Marrs - Rise of the Fourth Reich, details the story. Having been to Cordoba in Argentina, met and spoken to local residents who were nearly all German descendants and many obvious NAZI sympathizers, I am in no doubt that Hitler escaped to Argentina and lived out his years there! Over the years, many stories of him attending celebrations, meeting tourists at hotels and being everyone's honored guest . He became just the figurehead whilst Martin Borman run the Nazi empire from Buenos Aires. Juan Peron and the Argentine government made a fortune from the Nazi's and many of their military specialist's found work all over South America training the infamous death squads.

Having spent quite a lot of time in South America, it really seems to be an open secret amongst the large German populations living there! Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Peru, Paraguay and Uruguay all benefitted from the beginnings of the Fourth Reich whose tentacles now stretch all over the world controlling many corporations that now make laws!

Either read Jim Marrs book which is an exciting book that reads like a novel you won't want to put down or read Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's - Nazi International.

Shugo
Do you have any credible sources which support this? Where did you hear that Stalin said that Hitler escaped to Argentina? There were two suicides associated with Hitler within feet of each other. The insinuation that Hitler is alive is rather steep, but I'd be interested in at least hearing your case. Funnily enough this was just discussed today but not in sincerity in class. He was also funnily enough mentioned with Elvis, Tupac and Michael Jackson. But that's another story.

If you'd be so kind as to either refer me to some sources or books, that'd be very compelling evidence to support the claim.

en.metapedia.org... The search for Hitler was undertaken by a recent history graduate, there seemed to be no will for it. It also seemed to be an open secret among the German community in Argentina that he was alive and well. The amount of gold withdrawn from Europe and deposited in South America would have been more than enough to keep it quiet.
As far as any bodies left in the Bunker went, the top people of the Nazi party. Would have no problem obtaining them. They were playing for high stakes.

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Thanks for that.

I have some problems with these sources though. Do you happen to know who headed the project and research?

My issues with what's been provided so far is the fact it's an open web source. There is no bibliography nor any footnotes which are supplied by the author of the webpage to support any of the claims, not even historical documentation. They're not supporting any of their theories or ideas.

The same could be said about first hand accounts of people. Primary sources are not always reliable as people can have their own agenda and their own twist on things. To put that in perspective, people insist that there are mythological and crypto-zoological animals all over the world - but the amount of evidence to support each and every one of them points to the contrary.

As of yet, there's no evidence to go on that Hitler actually was living in Argentina at any given time. It's only one of those "eye witness testimonies" which gives the story the foundation of a typical "he said, she said" story.

Are there any other references you can supply?

anonentity

Shugo
Do you have any credible sources which support this? Where did you hear that Stalin said that Hitler escaped to Argentina? There were two suicides associated with Hitler within feet of each other. The insinuation that Hitler is alive is rather steep, but I'd be interested in at least hearing your case. Funnily enough this was just discussed today but not in sincerity in class. He was also funnily enough mentioned with Elvis, Tupac and Michael Jackson. But that's another story.

If you'd be so kind as to either refer me to some sources or books, that'd be very compelling evidence to support the claim.

en.metapedia.org... The search for Hitler was undertaken by a recent history graduate, there seemed to be no will for it. It also seemed to be an open secret among the German community in Argentina that he was alive and well. The amount of gold withdrawn from Europe and deposited in South America would have been more than enough to keep it quiet.
As far as any bodies left in the Bunker went, the top people of the Nazi party. Would have no problem obtaining them. They were playing for high stakes.

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Please don't cite Metapedia as a source. It's a right-wing pile of drivel.

Shugo
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Thanks for that.

I have some problems with these sources though. Do you happen to know who headed the project and research?

My issues with what's been provided so far is the fact it's an open web source. There is no bibliography nor any footnotes which are supplied by the author of the webpage to support any of the claims, not even historical documentation. They're not supporting any of their theories or ideas.

The same could be said about first hand accounts of people. Primary sources are not always reliable as people can have their own agenda and their own twist on things. To put that in perspective, people insist that there are mythological and crypto-zoological animals all over the world - but the amount of evidence to support each and every one of them points to the contrary.

As of yet, there's no evidence to go on that Hitler actually was living in Argentina at any given time. It's only one of those "eye witness testimonies" which gives the story the foundation of a typical "he said, she said" story.

Are there any other references you can supply?

Shugo
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Thanks for that.

I have some problems with these sources though. Do you happen to know who headed the project and research?

My issues with what's been provided so far is the fact it's an open web source. There is no bibliography nor any footnotes which are supplied by the author of the webpage to support any of the claims, not even historical documentation. They're not supporting any of their theories or ideas.

The same could be said about first hand accounts of people. Primary sources are not always reliable as people can have their own agenda and their own twist on things. To put that in perspective, people insist that there are mythological and crypto-zoological animals all over the world - but the amount of evidence to support each and every one of them points to the contrary.

As of yet, there's no evidence to go on that Hitler actually was living in Argentina at any given time. It's only one of those "eye witness testimonies" which gives the story the foundation of a typical "he said, she said" story.

Are there any other references you can supply?

The Bing search in the thread gives a good review from witnesses that say they saw him up close. But as far as proof goes, he'd be in his grave by now. But the Odessa rat run was fact, Vatican passports were facts , Perons ten thousand passports are fact. All the high Nazis into rocketry were whisked away to America. This was a time of great pragmatism, go figure. If you were SS and signed up in the French Foreign legion office in Switzerland, you got your old rank back in a few weeks and went to French indo china, (Vietnam) SS had no compunction strapping pregnant women to tanks, and going through there home communist villages.

The picture of Hitler shot doesn't exactly look like him. It would not be surprising at all that he escaped to live out the rest of his life in secret. The aged picture really does look like him. I'm open-minded that this is historically factual. Needs more evidence but is certainly interesting.

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Again, eyewitness accounts are really sketchy.
Proof would be along the lines of the documents which indicate the money continuously shelled out to the individuals in question or Germany's continued influence in the region over the next several decades. Perhaps the actual field report when it was discovered that the bones turned up were female and not male. Something that has some meat on it to at least support the claim that Hitler did not commit suicide on May 1, 1945.

Ever watch the movie Hell Boy? Interesting remark when the new agent mentions that Hitler died in 1945 and the head of the group relies; "did he now?". This implies that he in fact did not but someone else did. Then there was the photo of Hitler taken in 1959 in Argentina, might be a bit before most of you were born.

With operation Paper Clip in full swing and the German type XXI U-Boats the German hierarchy headed to Canada, Argentina and the USA under safe passage. Type XXI U-Boats were spotted in the South Atlantic and Pacific up until around 1960. Doubtful that we will ever know the full extent of Hitler and the German hierarchies escape and the Allies involvement.

pstrron
Ever watch the movie Hell Boy? Interesting remark when the new agent mentions that Hitler died in 1945 and the head of the group relies; "did he now?". This implies that he in fact did not but someone else did.

Are you saying that a comment from a fictional movie is evidence pointing towards Hitler having not killed himself in 1945...?

Then there was the photo of Hitler taken in 1959 in Argentina, might be a bit before most of you were born.

If that picture was as well circulated as claim, then surely someone should be able to turn it up. Does anyone have any resources for that?

With operation Paper Clip in full swing and the German type XXI U-Boats the German hierarchy headed to Canada, Argentina and the USA under safe passage. Type XXI U-Boats were spotted in the South Atlantic and Pacific up until around 1960.

That is totally unrelated and understandable. There were extensive amounts of research being done on various different assortments of configurations. Take Edwards Air Force Base and Dryden as an example, the operational aircraft at those facilities will likely outlast the life expectancy of any of the aircraft that are in actual service as they're well built for demonstration of well versed technologies.

I don't think Operation Paperclip, nor the use of the U-Boats in the Pacific are relevant in this instance.

pstrron
Type XXI U-Boats were spotted in the South Atlantic and Pacific up until around 1960.

They would have been French or Russian....

U-2518 became French submarine Roland Morillot. She saw active service during the Suez Crisis in 1956, and remained in commission until 1967. She was scrapped in 1969. Soviet Union Four Type XXI boats were assigned to the Soviet Union by the Potsdam Agreement; these were U-3515, U-2529, U-3035, and U-3041, which were commissioned into the Soviet Navy as B-27, B-28, B-29, and B-30 (later B-100) respectively. However, Western intelligence believed the Soviets had acquired several more Type XXI boats; a review by the U.S. Joint Intelligence Committee for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in January 1948 estimated the Soviet Navy then had 15 Type XXIs operational, could complete construction of 6 more within 2 months, and could build another 39 within a year and a half from prefabricated sections, since several factories producing Type XXI components and the assembly yard at Danzig had been captured by the Soviets at the end of World War II. U 3538 — U 3557 (respectively TS-5 – TS-19 and TS-32 – TS-38) remained incomplete at Danzig and were scrapped or sunk in 1947. The four boats assigned by Potsdam were used in trials and tests until 1955, then scuttled or used for weapon testing between 1958 and 1973. The Type XXI formed the basis for the Project 614, essentially a copy of the Type XXI, and many of its characteristics were also incorporated into the Project 613 submarine (known in the West as the Whiskey class).[9]

en.wikipedia.org...

hellobruce

pstrron
Type XXI U-Boats were spotted in the South Atlantic and Pacific up until around 1960.

They would have been French or Russian....

U-2518 became French submarine Roland Morillot. She saw active service during the Suez Crisis in 1956, and remained in commission until 1967. She was scrapped in 1969. Soviet Union Four Type XXI boats were assigned to the Soviet Union by the Potsdam Agreement; these were U-3515, U-2529, U-3035, and U-3041, which were commissioned into the Soviet Navy as B-27, B-28, B-29, and B-30 (later B-100) respectively. However, Western intelligence believed the Soviets had acquired several more Type XXI boats; a review by the U.S. Joint Intelligence Committee for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in January 1948 estimated the Soviet Navy then had 15 Type XXIs operational, could complete construction of 6 more within 2 months, and could build another 39 within a year and a half from prefabricated sections, since several factories producing Type XXI components and the assembly yard at Danzig had been captured by the Soviets at the end of World War II. U 3538 — U 3557 (respectively TS-5 – TS-19 and TS-32 – TS-38) remained incomplete at Danzig and were scrapped or sunk in 1947. The four boats assigned by Potsdam were used in trials and tests until 1955, then scuttled or used for weapon testing between 1958 and 1973. The Type XXI formed the basis for the Project 614, essentially a copy of the Type XXI, and many of its characteristics were also incorporated into the Project 613 submarine (known in the West as the Whiskey class).[9]

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is where they finished up uboat.net...

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If you want documented evidence, read the two books I cited, you can even find the house that Hitler spent many years at in Patagonia, read first hand accounts from many witnesses and find information. You want everyone to provide you with the proof, do some research yourself! I did and even went to Patagonia and Cordoba and spoke with German families. In Jim Marrs book 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' he does the sensible he follows the money!

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Not saying that a quote from a move is a fact, however at times facts are placed in movies that otherwise would be called fiction.

In regards to the photo in 1959, where were you in 1959? As for myself, I was in Newhall California and remember the photo. Sorry, we didn't have the Internet, personal computers or cell phones back then. News papers were printed in black ink only, so no color photos in the paper. TV was a big luxury and only small areas had service and I didn't have one. You will need to go back 54 years and dig for the source as I don't remember who published it.

Not all of the type XXI U-Boats were captured and or operated by France or Russia after the war. Thus sightings well after the war would attest to continued German operation and point to escape. The bones that Russia said were Hitlers were DNA tested in Russia and found out to be that of a female, so where was Hitler and Eva if in fact not dead? Reports of sightings and photographs point to Argentina. Actually now it is a moot point since he would be long since dead of old age. Though it is interesting to find out the truth of the matter.

The Third Reich died in 1945 and was reborn the Fourth Reich, underground and into corporate structure. I'd venture that the Fourth Reich was always the plan.

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Thanks for the recommendation on "Rise of the Fourth Reich". I'm going to pick it up at my library today. It sounds good from how you described it. (insert the old thumbs up icon here).