to be a gay christian...

reply to post by stormson


You are under the mistaken impression that God wrote the Old Testament. You should know by now that it's loaded with fairy tales, fables, folklore, and allegories. Not to mention a whole lot of cultural 'norms' that were put in under the guise of 'God's WIll'. There is very little of God in the Old Testament.

Jesus Himself said nothing anti-gay. So I'm going with that.

dakota1s2
Christians do not agree with the chosen lifestyle...

When did you 'choose' to be straight?? Good luck answering that ....

FlyersFan
reply to post by stormson

 

You are under the mistaken impression that God wrote the Old Testament. You should know by now that it's loaded with fairy tales, fables, folklore, and allegories. Not to mention a whole lot of cultural 'norms' that were put in under the guise of 'God's WIll'. There is very little of God in the Old Testament.

Jesus Himself said nothing anti-gay. So I'm going with that.

jesus just condemned the rich, a lot, yet christians arent all hell-bent opposed to the rich.

so you are just like all the other salad bar christians, picking and choosing what you like and dont like, instead of following the rule book, which says that god wrote it thru man.

btw, romans condemns homosexuals as well.

edit: is god jesus? is jesus god? so everything in the old testement, given by god, was also given by jesus. or do you think that jesus and god are two completely seperate entities? do you worship the son over the father?

reply to post by stormson

Funny. That's circular logic. The bible was written by God and the proof is that the bible says it was written by God?? Sorry, stormson, it doesn't work that way. If that's the criteria, then you must also buy that the Qu'ran was written by God via Muhammad. Afterall, the Qu'ran says so, so it must be true.

FlyersFan
reply to post by stormson

 

Funny. That's circular logic. The bible was written by God and the proof is that the bible says it was written by God?? Sorry, stormson, it doesn't work that way. If that's the criteria, then you must also buy that the Qu'ran was written by God via Muhammad. Afterall, the Qu'ran says so, so it must be true.

im just holding christians to the rules written in their rule book.

you either believe or you dont.

if you dont, then you cant be a christian.

that would be like saying youre a soccer player that uses your hands and runs with the ball.

reply to post by stormson

DEAD WRONG. Christians do NOT have to believe in the Old Testament in order to be a Christian. Do you understand what the definition of being a Christian is?? Christian = a believer in Jesus Christ and His teachings. Not a believer in the Adam and Eve myth. Not a believer in the Noahs Ark fable. Not a follower of the folklore surrounding Abraham. None of that. A Christian is a person who tries to follow the teachings of Jesus. That's it.

The majority of Christians recognize that the Old Testament is myths. And folklore. And allegorical representations of theological concepts. And stolen stories from other cultures. And lots of cultural ideas that people wrote down as 'the word of God' when in fact it was just cultural ideas. The majority of Christians do NOT take the Old Testament literally because it wasn't written to be taken that way.

Only 30% of Americans Take the Bible Literally

Also of note may be the clear majority of Catholics (65 percent) who believe the Bible is the inspired word of God but should not be taken literally word for word,

Gallup Polls on Christians
41% of Protestant Americans believe the bible is to be taken literally.
Less than one third of Catholics believe the bible is to be taken literally.

In America about 60% on Average believe in Noahs Ark and the other Old Testament fables ... which means %40 of Christians DO NOT and are still Christian.

80% of Catholics do not take the bible myths literally .. and they are still Christians

40% of Evangelical Christians do not believe in Adam and Eve and they are still Christians
That ticks off the evangelical scholars .. that these Christians understand the truth of Adam and Eve and yet they are still good Christians. But there it is. And many theologians at Christian universities have had to accept the truth that Adam and Eve didn't exist. And yet, those Christian theologians are still Christians.

Evangelical Christian Theologians Who Defend Evolution

Darwins Theory of Evolution is Compatible with Christianity says Rome

The majority of protestants and Catholics do not take the Old Testament literally.
They understand that its' full of allegory and myth and folklore.
Good stories for learning from ... but not to be banked on as fact.
AND ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE CHRISTIANS.

reply to post by FlyersFan



a simple question.

was jesus god?

if jesus was god, then everything in the old testement applies to jesus.

it doesnt matter if you believe literally or not, the law is the law, given by god to moses, and that law says that homos are an abomination. its then repeated in the book of romans, which is new testament.

but hey, you love the rich, and jesus condemned the rich not once but over 7x!

you twist the christian religion to suit what you want, rather than change yourself to fit it.

jesus preached against that too.

stormson
if jesus was god, then everything in the old testement applies to jesus.

Still dead wrong. And seriously absurd.
Jesus being God has nothing to do with the allegories and folklores of the Old Testament.
Again you use circular logic. Epic failure.

stormson
the law is the law, given by god to moses,

Wrong again. Educate yourself. Learn to accept truth instead of blind indoctrination.
ATS Thread - 10 Commandments Doctrine of Men

and that law says that homos are an abomination.

Wow. Now I just pity you.

reply to post by stormson

then everything in the old testement applies to jesus.

That doesn't make a lick of sense...

The OT details the old ways... outdated laws, useless superstitions... and an extremely flawed "god"

The OT people didn't know the true father of creation... that is made clear within its pages

Akragon
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then everything in the old testement applies to jesus.

That doesn't make a lick of sense...

The OT details the old ways... outdated laws, useless superstitions... and an extremely flawed "god"

The OT people didn't know the true father of creation... that is made clear within its pages

again, are jesus and god the same person?

if so, then according to you jesus was extremely "flawed" (how can a god, a perfect being, be flawed?)

so for 2000 years, the jews were following what? jesus was a jew, btw, and represented the jewish god.

so, is your god perfect? is jesus the son and god the father the same? if so, then the god of the ot is jesus, and jesus is the god of the ot.

or, is jesus a completely different god all together?

FlyersFan

stormson
if jesus was god, then everything in the old testement applies to jesus.

Still dead wrong. And seriously absurd.
Jesus being God has nothing to do with the allegories and folklores of the Old Testament.
Again you use circular logic. Epic failure.

so you completely discount the ot?

if so, then you have no basis for jesus being god or the mesiah, since the basis for that belief comes from the ot.

without the ot to back up jesus being god, then he becomes just another peace and love hippy.

FlyersFan

stormson
the law is the law, given by god to moses,

Wrong again. Educate yourself. Learn to accept truth instead of blind indoctrination.
ATS Thread - 10 Commandments Doctrine of Men

and that law says that homos are an abomination.

Wow. Now I just pity you.

lets find out where you lose the thread of logic.
the ot says that the law came from god. that god told them to moses directly. yes or no?

is jesus god? if so then the law came from jesus. if jesus isnt god, then what is he?

the law states that homosexuals are an abomination. the law came from jesus, if jesus is god.

reply to post by stormson

None of what you said has anything at all to do with what Akragon said about the O.T.
You failed to show how everything in the O.T. has to do with Jesus.
Good luck with that .... much of the O.T. has been roundly DEBUNKED.

reply to post by stormson

again, are jesus and god the same person?

Keep in mind here, you're not speaking to a Christian... No, Jesus was not God in the flesh as john stated...

if so, then according to you jesus was extremely "flawed" (how can a god, a perfect being, be flawed?)

No... Jesus was the perfected human... the example given to us by the true Father

the OT God was a false god, and extremely flawed

so for 2000 years, the jews were following what?

men with agenda's who claimed to know God...

jesus was a jew, btw, and represented the jewish god.

that's debatable... Jesus was raised jewish... but since he broke jewish laws and changed the rules... IF he was a practicing jew, he was a very bad jew

so, is your god perfect?

I can only assume...

is jesus the son and god the father the same?

One mind perhaps... one essence probably...

the same entity? nope...

then the god of the ot is jesus, and jesus is the god of the ot.

or, is jesus a completely different god all together?

I already covered that in my previous statements... There is a hierarchy in the heavenly realms... Jesus is definitely up there on the list... but he is not the "Father" of creation... in fact he was and is submissive to his Father

stormson
if so, then you have no basis for jesus being god or the mesiah, since the basis for that belief comes from the ot.

Adam and Eve has been debunked ... and it has nothing to do with Jesus in the New Testament.
Noahs Ark has been debunked ... and it has nothing to do wth Jesus in the New Testament.
Moses getting the 10 commandments from God has been debunked ... and it has nothing to do with Jesus in the New testament.
Abraham may or may not have existed ... and it has nothing to do with Jesus in the New Testament.
Jonah and the whale are impossible ... and it has nothing to do with Jesus in the New Testament.

You still fail to show how everything in the Old Testament has to be real because Jesus is God.
THose are two different things.

reply to post by stormson


I was hoping we could get through without being called an abomination, i don't pretend to know Religion as i don't, so i don't know the "Rules" or the "Laws"

but if a book was discovered written by "God" or Jesus through God that said Heterosexuals were an abomination would you believe it? would it be "Law"?

stormson
lets find out where you lose the thread of logic.

Actually your writings are without logic. Because you use CIRCULAR LOGIC.
Which is really illogical.

the ot says that the law came from god. that god told them to moses directly. yes or no?

It can claim that all it wants. But that's not what happened.
Didn't you read the information provided about where Moses 10 commandments really came from?
Like I said ... educate yourself. Go read the information.

is jesus god? if so then the law came from jesus. if jesus isnt god, then what is he?

Sure, if Jesus is God then the law of God comes from Him. But guess what ... the 'law of God' in the Old Testament isn't from God and therefore it isn't from Jesus. The New Testament quotes directly from Jesus Himself say NOTHING about homosexuality. He only says 'love your neighbor' and 'forgive'.

the law states that homosexuals are an abomination. the law came from jesus, if jesus is god.

Dead wrong. Jesus never said anything about homosexuals. And as I said ... large chunks of the Old Testament did NOT come from God. Large chunks have been debunked. And much of 'gods law' in the Old Testament are nothing more than CULTURAL THOUGHTS that people wrote down saying 'this is God's law'. Onanism ... not eating shell fish ... etc. All CULTURAL.

FlyersFan

stormson
if so, then you have no basis for jesus being god or the mesiah, since the basis for that belief comes from the ot.

Adam and Eve has been debunked ... and it has nothing to do with Jesus in the New Testament.
Noahs Ark has been debunked ... and it has nothing to do wth Jesus in the New Testament.
Moses getting the 10 commandments from God has been debunked ... and it has nothing to do with Jesus in the New testament.
Abraham may or may not have existed ... and it has nothing to do with Jesus in the New Testament.
Jonah and the whale are impossible ... and it has nothing to do with Jesus in the New Testament.

You still fail to show how everything in the Old Testament has to be real because Jesus is God.
THose are two different things.

so all you have shown me is that christianity is full of lies and mistruths.

it doesnt have to be real, never said it did.

all im saying is that if jesus is god, then the ot god is jesus. the ot god gave the law to moses, and the law says homosexuals are an abomination.

its your choice if you want to do away with the very foundation of your religion. just know that jesus preached against it.

also know that if you take the ot from jesus, then you have no basis for him to be god.

FlyersFan

stormson
lets find out where you lose the thread of logic.

Actually your writings are without logic. Because you use CIRCULAR LOGIC.
Which is really illogical.

the ot says that the law came from god. that god told them to moses directly. yes or no?

It can claim that all it wants. But that's not what happened.
Didn't you read the information provided about where Moses 10 commandments really came from?
Like I said ... educate yourself. Go read the information.

is jesus god? if so then the law came from jesus. if jesus isnt god, then what is he?

Sure, if Jesus is God then the law of God comes from Him. But guess what ... the 'law of God' in the Old Testament isn't from God and therefore it isn't from Jesus. The New Testament quotes directly from Jesus Himself say NOTHING about homosexuality. He only says 'love your neighbor' and 'forgive'.

the law states that homosexuals are an abomination. the law came from jesus, if jesus is god.

Dead wrong. Jesus never said anything about homosexuals. And as I said ... large chunks of the Old Testament did NOT come from God. Large chunks have been debunked. And much of 'gods law' in the Old Testament are nothing more than CULTURAL THOUGHTS that people wrote down saying 'this is God's law'. Onanism ... not eating shell fish ... etc. All CULTURAL.

ah, i see the problem. you dont believe in your own religion. you twist it to suit your own purposes.

jesus never said anything about homos, but god did, and since jesus and god are the same, then jesus said it as well. check romans.

now if large portions of the ot are fiction, how do you know large portions of the nt arent fiction as well?

if people just wrote down "this is gods law", then could they not have done the same with this jesus fellow, which is no longer god because you threw away all the prophesies about him with the ot.