EDL leader Tommy Robinson quits group

Hardly, the EDL get arrested for violence whether or not UAF turn up. EDL get drunk and fight each other, even the official EDL had to pt out a message telling their supporters not to attack their stewards.

Here's vids of them attacking police - www.youtube.com...

Here's them trying to show they're not Nazis - www.indymedia.org.uk...

Freedom of speech in the UK doesn't extend to inciting racial and religious hatred. When EDL chant 'Allah is a paedo' 'Burn the Mosques' and 'Send the Black #s home' they're breaking the law and need to be stopped.

When I was at an anti-EDL march they even threw stun grenades and fireworks at any passerby who looked Asian, including people with prams. They're the lowest of the low.

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Maybe lately, not that I am an EDL supporter though, but in the beginning the EDL did none of that, while the UAF bussed in gangs of young Asians to throw steel bars and bricks at them, if you like I can dig up actual news reports of such things not blogs and unverified YouTube videos.

Both sides are full of idiots here, but the UAF want to stifle any attempt at protest which the EDL do have a right to do, despite what you or I might think of them

Now, if any of them then break the law then they should be arrested and dealt with, but it cuts both ways. How many times have we seen Muslims with placards calling for the beheading of all infidels, or death to our troops, or Sharia in the UK on OUR streets. If that isn't "inciting racial hatred" or what have you, then I don't know what is.

Basically, the EDL is the tip of the iceberg to how many feel the UK is going. As the tip, they are going to be the most right-wing, vociferous and aggressive but you can put a good bet on that many in the UK do not like the creeping Islamification either, why do you think there is such a hot topic at the moment about immigration?

Just because the left and PC brigade insist on burying their heads in the sand about this, it doesn't mean the problem is going to go away or that it doesn't exist.

EDIT to add: I wonder just how many counter-protests you went to against the Sharia crowd were calling for our beheadings, forced conversions and what have you? Probably none. You just want to campaign against the right-wing for ideological reasons, not actually look at the problem which has caused their resurgence.

It is worth pointing out that those Islamic "protests" which I mention happened long before the first EDL march, yet you say they should be punished?

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Stumason the only person making any sense in this thread, the rest of you are just making the same old noises
yawn

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I'm against all forms of extremism, I've not been to any as they've never come to my area of the country - however I've had plenty of arguments with Choudary on social media. If they did I'd be there opposing them as they're more far right and racist than the EDL. However they got proscribed after just four protests.

I disagree with your claim the EDL weren't like that from the start. Tommy named himself after a football hooligan, was a member of the BNP and already had a string of drug and violent offences. The initial group was made up of football firms and 45 EDL were arrested at their second 'protest' which was a counter to a socialism rally - so they're guilty of stopping democratic protests. Plus as you probablyknow the group was invented to counter the sick protests of Choudary's mates.

I fail to see how having a problem with immigration justifies racism and violence. The EDL purely existed to be a violent street movement demonising a religion and was clearly going to attract Nazi's and racists from the word go. I disagree PC has taken over the debate, if anything the language of the National Front has.

A few years back Brown borrowed their slogan 'British jobs for British workers' and more recently the Home Office used their 'Go Home' slogan on vans. These are both lowest common denominator tactics that do nothing to address problems with immigration but satisfy the Mail et alls lust for racism. A middle ground of tactics that actually is required.

Just today Theresa May announced the introduction of ID cards to stop immigration and that she wants to make the UK "A really hostile environment for migrants" and to replace 'innocent until proven guilty' with 'deport and appeal later'. She's trying to get people to give up freedom, democracy and justice in favour of knee jerk racism.

Fighting extremism with more extremism, has not and will not work. Hopefully EDl-types will realise this now and join sane society in using methods that work. Imagine if all the millions spent on policing EDL demos was spent on community cohesion efforts. It'd be far more effective than going round and causing a public nuisance.

However I completely agree with you that there are idiots on both sides. Hopefully the recent move will see a decrease in them, and hopefully the Bradford demo won't be used by extremists on the left as an excuse for violence to be used to try and end the organisation.