Maleficarum Modernus-- A Survey of Witchery in the 21st Century

NewAgeMan
reply to post by Logarock

 

Yes he was, because he was working in perfect alignment with the one who sent him. He was doing what he was seeing and following the instructions given him.

You misunderstand what I mean by "Magus", but only a Magus could have discerned it and carried it out, quite literally, to a t (and beyond).

I wouldn't call him a magus even loosely considering He is described as a man without lineage to a line of priests or any sort of fraternity.

reply to post by thruthseek3r


I think you've misunderstood it's premise and origins and as I just pointed out, it's threads through Christ himself who's great work coincides perfectly and precisely with the divine order and thus to the ancient Heliocentric religions - note teh cross as spring passover ritual combined with winter solstice as the "sign of Jonah" (ie: three days). Jesus sums it all up if we're talking about the natural order and man's true place in it.

But if you wish to employ that out of fear and misunderstanding to condemn then well that's not very Christian not very inspirational, and not very attractive.

When I first started reading this thread my hackles went up over all the witchypoo-ness of it, but I have an open mind, spent some time reading and watching and observing and thinking and then in examining my own theological framework as a Christian lover of God and man I could no longer bring myself to condemn or to feel anger, resentment, fear or loathing. It's very unbecoming, especially of a Christian.

Stop persecuting Christ.

reply to post by Logarock

He seems to have traced his lineage to the Chaldeans and beyond.

"Before Abraham ever was, I am."

He knew his astronomy/astrology as well - timed his Great Work to a full moon Lunar Eclipse on Passover at his half life.

He was well trained and initiated, probably studied in Babylonia and in Alexandria Egypt, if not traveled the Indus River where Abraham's wandering ancestors originated or I should say settled for a very long time.

He went away and made a return. Just look at the words of John the Baptist who was in collusion with Jesus.

Anyway - that was off topic - sorry, no more Jesus talk, on with the witchypoo.

Best regards,

NAM aka Bob

NewAgeMan
reply to post by Logarock

 

Yes he was only working his magic according to God, because he was working in perfect alignment with the one who sent him (first father of creation). He was doing what he was seeing, and following the instructions given him. Poor guy, he was framed on every side by a seemingly inescapable "box" of human history and prophecy. Talk about courage, perseverance and insight!

You misunderstand what I mean by "Magus". Only a trained Magus could have discerned it and carried it out, quite literally, to a t (and beyond).

When Jesus returned to Judea and Jewish society by John's anticipation (according to schedule), he was armed to the teeth, big time, (including the Greek-oriented art of debate) and ready to fulfill the destiny given him from the time before time.

Remember here that when he was 12 years old he dumbfounded and amazed the head scribes and educated at Jerusalem. They were quite literally shocked. He was already demonstrating a gift and supernatural understanding that didn't require that he go to Greece and learn argumentative rhetorical style.

Almost everything he said during his three years comes right out of the prophets anyway. Its clear to see it when the prophets are studied. He came to "fulfill the law and the prophets" which requires no philosophical style. His sharp retorts come right out of the prophets.

NewAgeMan
reply to post by Logarock

 

He seems to have traced his lineage to the Chaldeans and beyond.

"Before Abraham ever was, I am."

Hay well I appreciate that you are so well boned up on your position.


This statement of "I Am" had to do with His nature and existence. It like saying before time began "I Am". Plus the statement is in the ever-present tense. I Am then, I Am now and always will be. Past (to mean before history), present future.

thruthseek3r

Certainly not, there will be a time it might become criminal and judged worldwide, we only need proper laws to be enforced upon doers of such matters.

Hi,

1. Do you propose to make malefaction illegal specifically, or all witchcraft generally?
2. In cases where no one is physically assaulted, how would you propose to establish demonstrable harm?

We would need too a special kind of police against the witchcraft practitioners to ensure it does get what it truly deserve.

1. In what way would such an agency have to "specialize"?
2. How would their techniques differ from those of traditional law enforcement?

Also, you have sort of snuck in a plea for a One World Government in your statement, were you aware of that?

reply to post by Logarock


I am suprised that you don't recognize in Jesus not only the philosophy of a Jewish Mystic (Tree of Life, Messianic expectation) but also Buddhist/Toaist understanding, and, an Ancient Hindu (Atma and Brahma are one), and, an Egyptian (look at his Magnum Opus) and Greek yes including an unshakable debating skill. He was all ready and fully prepared to do battle with powers and principalities, and an evil empire, to the very roots of human sin and evil, when he returned. He and John were co-conspirators. Working to a schedule, they shaped the outcome from the beginning by correctly reading and interpreting the prophecy and there's no reason why long distance correspondence with John could not have been maintained during the "lost years" via the same trade routes which would make such travels easily accessible and possible. Jesus knew the stars.
He understood the whole of his heritage you see, even to the real meaning and significance of the 12 tribes of Israel symbolically representing the 12 signs of the Zodiac. He had it all and his "hour" when it finally came was a very specific mid afternoon on a particular day for Passover Preparation Day during the reign of Pontias Pilate when a blood red moon appeared rising, with Jesus already on the cross (would have really freaked them out that's for sure). He and John shaped those events, beginning with the end in mind, including John's beheading in Herod's dungeon - that was the sign between them when Jesus would face his destiny in Jerusalem (and Jesus turned to face Jerusalem when the news of John's beheading reached him), which is why Leonardo daVinci favors John the Baptist as the first true martyr for the cause, the aim for Jesus involving not only a "death" but also a resurrection (spared but only by a mere thread) in order to complete and satisfy the prophecy in full and without reservation.

It was a box, but Jesus transcended it.

And that's very funny and magnificent, what a triumph! It's even better in other words than the alternate version where he gets "beamed straight up" until presumably a very tiny Jesus entered a cloud way up high.

I'd rather see him thereafter, after hanging around and making himself known, leaving town in a one horse carriage, a chest of temple gold (as a "reparation" by friends of Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea) in the back, his bride to be at his side, laughing all the way (with bells ringing out?). Maybe there's more to the resurrection life and our true commission as Christians than we might have previously realized. Imagine the courage to be happy and to live out a 2nd half happy life equal and greater in measure than the sum total of all sorrow and sadness and suffering experienced in the first half? Call it Jesus 2.0 or whatever, but where the last are first and first last, God held in reserve for his good son all the very best of the best for last, and that space of heaven on earth (and beyond) needed to be generated within and also for himself as the very space of heaven that he would live into while creating a place for those who would die because of their love for and faith in him, but it's not a sad victory only a happy one which once again for all the right reasons has the courage to do what is right for everyone's sake.

So it is like a joke at the expense of all our human sin and folly and ignorance and absurdity and ridiculousness, but it can only be told (and gotten) from the POV of the resurrection life and I guess that's what makes it so funny. And in response, because by the time you get it it's too late, you'll either really groan...ohhhhh noooooo and feel terrible and very repentant (even to the point of tears), or, really laugh out loud (and have the tears wiped away from your eyes by the very loving hand of God).

Not beamed straight up, but in those hills yonder (see my avatar).

It's elementary Dear Watson.


Best Regards, and may God Bless you all, Christians, non Christians, Wiccans even the Atheists who need it most.

NAM
aka Bob,
Urban Shaman.

Eidolon23

Her lengthy CV lists countless qualifications, civic achievements, books and publications – but Raquel Rolnik makes no mention of dabbling in witchcraft. Yet the architect and urban planner appears to be an avid follower of Candomble, an African-Brazilian religion that originated during the slave trade.

The academic, brought up a Marxist, actually offered an animal sacrifice to Karl Marx when she was studying for her Masters degree in architecture so ‘he would leave her alone’ to study in peace…

According to her elder sister Suely, a well-known Brazilian psychoanalyst and intellectual, Raquel had become ‘contaminated’ by other philosophies and offered the sacrifice to appease the German revolutionary socialist.

The UN special rapporteur’s fascination with Candomble rekindled memories of another controversial figure’s links with the religion that worships African gods.

In 2001, Peter Mandelson was ridiculed when reports emerged that his Brazilian partner, Reinaldo Avila da Silva, had engaged a Candomble witch doctor to put a hex on political enemies in a ceremony involving the slaughter of a chicken.

It was claimed that the Labour spin doctor – now a peer – held a live chicken by the neck while a priest in Rio de Janeiro cut off its head, splashing Mr Mandelson with blood.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

No doubt Marx would have failed to appreciate the irony.

And in Saudi Arabia, a region seething with witches, so much so that an Anti-Witchcraft task-force has been formed, sightings of airborne women abound, and reports of found objects like the severed head of a wolf wrapped in women's lingerie occur with some regularity.

So much for the witch, now how about that hammer?

edit on 7-10-2013 by Eidolon23 because: Linky.

Actually, since you are on this topic, no, Marx would NOT have failed to appreciate the irony.

Firstly, Marx was not an atheist. And he never said he didn't believe in God. In fact when he was younger he was a so-called Christian, and wrote a good deal about the Bible.

After getting involved with certain secret societies, he became what would be known today as a Satanist, and he wanted to create a government that overran everything that had to do with the Bible, or with the good God.

He was probably a better witch than you can imagine.

For some educational information on what was really behind the Communist movement, and what really motivated Marx and his friends please take the time to read this book:

Marx and Satan

NewAgeMan
reply to post by Logarock

 

He understood the whole of his heritage you see, even to the real meaning and significance of the 12 tribes of Israel symbolically representing the 12 signs of the Zodiac.
It was a box, but Jesus transcended it.

And that's very funny and magnificent, what a triumph! It's even better in other words than the alternate version where he gets "beamed straight up" until presumably a very tiny Jesus entered a cloud way up high.

edit on 8-10-2013 by NewAgeMan because: (no reason given)

Actually you are quite wrong.

The twleve tribes of Israel represent those who live on earth after Armageddon. You see there were actually thirteen tribes.

What? You ask, 13? Yes, thirteen. You see the tribe of Levi is never counted in among the other twelve tribes who received an inheritance in the promised land. Let us name them to be sure:


1. Ephraim
2. Gad
3. Asher
4. Naphtali
5. Manasseh
6. Issachar
8. Zebbulun
9. Reuben
10. Judah
11. Dan
12. Simeon

Those are the twelve tribes that had an inheritance in the promised land. But there was a thirteenth tribe, that of Levi. It did not have land inheritance. In fact, the tribe of Levi was to be set aside as teachers and instructors of God's word. And from that tribe came the priests, and high priest. They were to be given land from the other tribes. But they were not to have an inheritance in the land:


(Numbers 18:25-29) . . .Then Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying: 26 “And you should speak to the Levites, and you must say to them, ‘YOU will receive from the sons of Israel the tenth part that I have given to YOU from them for YOUR inheritance, and YOU must contribute from it as a contribution to Jehovah a tenth part of the tenth part. 27 And it must be reckoned to YOU as YOUR contribution, like the grain of the threshing floor and like the full produce of the wine or oil press. 28 In this way YOU yourselves also will contribute a contribution to Jehovah from all YOUR tenth parts that YOU will receive from the sons of Israel, and from them YOU must give the contribution to Jehovah to Aaron the priest. 29 From all the gifts to YOU, YOU will contribute every sort of contribution to Jehovah, of the very best of it, as some holy thing from them.’

(Numbers 18:21) . . .“And to the sons of Le′vi, look! I have given every tenth part in Israel as an inheritance in return for their service that they are carrying on, the service of the tent of meeting. . .


Now, here is the real meaning of the anti typical representation of the twelve tribes of Israel, and the tribe of Levi. The twelve tribes represent man who will live on earth, and thus will have an earthly inheritance from the true God.

The tribe of Levi, the priests, represent those whom God has seen good to call to heavenly life. So they have no earthly prospect, nor earthly reward. They will go to heaven. And then rule as kings and priests over the twelve tribes of Israel (or those of an earthly hope):

(Matthew 19:28) . . .: “Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, YOU who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

(Revelation 5:10) 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”


Ah, but this is a sacred secret of truth! How can the occult teachings of Satan ever reveal such understanding, or the false apostate religions of Christendom!

And just to make it clear. The twelve tribes of Israel are quite different from the twelve tribes mentioned in Revelation 7 about the 144,000 who will receive the heavenly hope. Just look at the names and compare. They are not the same.

reply to post by Broom


Sorry I might have been wrong about that, doesn't mean that I'm of the devil.

But doesn't the tribe of Judah not represent the Lion and the constellation of Leo? I don't know maybe I'm mistaken to think that there's anything to the notion of an ancient astro-theology which Jesus also appears to have summed up in himself and his work. There's still that lunar eclipse on Passover Preparation Day..

Anyway back on topic, sorry..

NewAgeMan
reply to post by Broom

 

Sorry I might have been wrong about that, doesn't mean that I'm of the devil.

But doesn't the tribe of Judah not represent the Lion and the constellation of Leo? I don't know maybe I'm mistaken to think that there's anything to the notion of an ancient astro-theology which Jesus also appears to have summed up in himself and his work. There's still that lunar eclipse on Passover Preparation Day..

Anyway back on topic, sorry..

The Passover happened on Nisan 14, of the Jewish calender. Now the month of Nisan was the first of the Jewish months. And the Jews used a lunar calender. That is the first of the month started on new moon, fourteen days later is full moon.

Thus Nisan 14 was a full moon. Every full moon on the month of Nisan it is the 14th (according to their calender). In the Gregorian calender the month of Nisan falls in the months of March/April. We do not follow a lunar calender.

So yes, at certain times there are eclipses of the moon on Nisan 14. But not always. If you remember the month of Nisan began as the first of the month because that is when Pharaoh let Israel go, after Jehovah God sent twelve devastating plagues that shamed Egypt's gods as impotent and powerless.

Many occult teachers will craftily say that Moses followed the false teachings of those impotent demon-gods, but why would Jehovah then shame all of Egypt's gods by those devastating plagues showing up their impotency!

In fact the real reason why Jehovah allowed Pharaoh at all to deal with him in such a hard-headed way was for this reason alone:

(Exodus 9:16) But, in fact, for this cause I have kept you in existence, for the sake of showing you my power and in order to have my name declared in all the earth.


In actuality Nisan 14 has special significance. It was the exact day Abraham passed over into the promised land in the year 1943 B. C. E. It was then that he was told that 430 years would pass until his decedents would be set free. And true enough to the day, in Nisan 14, 1513 B. C. E. on a full moon, Moses lead Jehovah's people out of Egypt.

And it was also on Nisan 14, of 33 C. E. that Jesus Christ gave up his life (the typical representation of the lamb that spilled his blood, if you remember the Israelites in Egypt had to sprinkle the blood of the lamb on the doorpost so that the firstborn would not be killed.)

Broom
Firstly, Marx was not an atheist. And he never said he didn't believe in God. In fact when he was younger he was a so-called Christian, and wrote a good deal about the Bible.

After getting involved with certain secret societies, he became what would be known today as a Satanist, and he wanted to create a government that overran everything that had to do with the Bible, or with the good God.

He was probably a better witch than you can imagine.

For some educational information on what was really behind the Communist movement, and what really motivated Marx and his friends please take the time to read this book:

Marx and Satan

Hello,

Disclaimer: I am not a fan of Karl Marx, and this is in no way a defense of the man or his work.

While Marx never specifically applied the term "atheist" to himself, he clearly stated that he believed religion ought to be abolished, that God had no meaning or place in the modern world, and he was an avowed theoretical materialist.

You will note, too, that I never applied the term, either.

While I didn't read the entirety of the book (on loan from a friend several years back), from what I recall the whole theory hinges on a literal interpretation of a poem Marx wrote when he was 18. It read like a terribad Milton rip-off, but beyond that there were no links established to any secret societies whatsoever, nor any further proof given for the author's claims.

reply to post by Eidolon23


You should take the time to go back and read it. And there is no dispute about the fact that Marx wanted to do away with anything that had to do with God.

reply to post by Broom


Can you save us the $20 plus postage and just quote any passages that offer proof beyond the poem and Marx's materialist stance?

Thanks.

Speaking of "on-topic"...



...have any of you ever read or been exposed to the writings of Morton Smith? Smith was a professor of ancient history at Columbia University, he studied extensively at Harvard and the Hebrew University in Jerusalem; he was at times controversial.

His historical sketch of Jesus was of a man that had studied magic in Egypt and had returned to Galilee with incantations tattooed all over him. He uses passages from the Talmud to support this idea. He was also in company with historian and Jesus scholar Géza Vermes, in describing Jesus historically as an exorcist and essentially one of what were known in the region at the time as magicians.

The line from the Talmud that Smith Cites that is relevant to this thread seems to me to be this one, although I suppose it must be kept in mind that the word in question was the best choice of some translator...

“Did not Ben Stada bring witchcraft with him from Egypt in a cut that was on his skin?”.

en.wikipedia.org...

So, that means that one way of possibly looking at it is that Jesus shows up in Galilee, covered in magical tattoos, he rounds up the other witches, and they enter Jerusalem. Armed.

It's a blockbuster hit for the whole family.

Eidolon23
reply to post by Broom

 

Can you save us the $20 plus postage and just quote any passages that offer proof beyond the poem and Marx's materialist stance?

Thanks.

Since you asked the broom may do so. Not at this moment. But if he has time sometime later on, he will sit down and take the time to take some quotes of the book and print them here.

I've had a few members inquire about why the OP didn't include any information on the witchcraft rumored to be practiced by the planet's elite?

Short answer: no definitive proof exists, and if it is happening, it's happening outside of the cycle I wanted to examine in this thread.

But Jeff Wells has compiled the best case for the worst case scenario, and I'm going to go ahead and link a few of his blog entries here. Warning: they make for very harrowing reading, and I strongly recommend that those who are survivors of child sex abuse proceed with extreme caution.

American Leviathan Part One

American Leviathan Part Two

Phantoms, Daemons, and Finders

What Lies Beneath

Jackson 5.0

Although his work is thoroughly cited, I was increasing alarmed to find dead link after dead link. No cache, no wayback machine, nothing. And this info void includes numerous news articles.

reply to post by Broom

Passover Nisan 14, blood red moon, as seen from Jerusalem by our Calendar April 3rd, 33AD or C.E. whatever, at the right time during the governorship of Pontias Pilate.

What's interesting about this particular Lunar Eclipse is that it begins entering into eclipse just below the horizon and thus, when it rises mid to late afternoon the phenomenon of eclipse is already well under way, get this, with Jesus already on the cross as if to mark the event while demonstrating just who was in control of events all along. In other words it's what I like to call a double-reverse sting hoodwink, or simply put, a double bind. Talk about genius and anticipation! Huh. To then examine the "celestials" around the time of Jesus birth (winding the clock back about 33 years) what do we have but the thrice "crowning" of the star Regulus by a triple retrograde conjunction with Jupiter (three kings..), followed nine months later by the conjunction of Venus and Jupiter forming the brightest "star" the world has ever known.

There is something much older that walks this earth, something that was formed at the very start of our world and still walks with us till the end of our world. All religions and witchcraft copy parts of it, look for it and you will find the answer to the question you fear to ask.

christians have to invade everything, even a thread on witches.

"guess what? jesus was buddha and unified all faiths" blah blah blah.

theres a big difference between polytheism and monotheism. for example, if youre a farmer you can follow thor yet respect odin. if youre a runemaster, you follow odin, yet respect thor. if your a roman, like caesar, you recognize the similarities of the gods and move on. as a christian, muslim, or jew, your god is the only god. all others are false.

if you claim to be christian, and follow jesus, you have a rule book to follow. if you deviate from that book, youre not very christian, are you?

"oh, i can practice magick, even tho the rule book says i cant, because the rule book must be wrong, even tho it was supposedly written by my god." what kinda logic is that?

christians wonder why they are mocked. its because of their arrogance. they make all sorts of claims not supported by their rulebook to try and dominate, be it witchcraft (jesus was buddha, shiva, krisna, an enlightened master, etc.), magick (jesus did magick, not miracles), or science.

havent you christians stolen enough? first it was our holidays, then our lives. since you cant take our lives in this country, you try to take our religion. ever heard of the oxymoronic wiccan-christian?

if the christian god was so awesome, why did i leave him?
if the christian god is so awesome, why do you ignore his rule book and make things up because you feel like it?