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Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Happy1
Just think, this is a debt you cannot hide from, generally bankrupt, or even DIE to escape. This is enforced by the power of the IRS. They'll attach your damn Estate after death to get the money for this bill or what you'll owe for not "joining" the exchanges.
Before you know it, we'll be "invited" to reeducation "camps" to some "guidance" for talking like this, too.
U.S. citizens living outside the U.S.
U.S. citizens living in a foreign country are not required to get health insurance coverage under the Affordable Care Act. If you're uninsured and living abroad, you don't have to pay the fee that other uninsured U.S. citizens may have to pay.
liejunkie01
Mods if you feel this belongs in the rant section then please move. This is definitely a social issue that will lead to civil unrest.
I went to my mother's house earlier.
She told me she looked into "affordable" coverage.
$100 a month with a $10,000 deductable.
She makes $9 an hour, give or take a $0.25.
Now excuse me, but if anyone could afford a $10,000 deductable, then they should be able to afford regular health insurance.
What a scam.
She said she's going to pay the penalty.
GREAT PLAN.
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But get this, because it's getting such a bad reputation right off the bat, democrats are now blaming it on Republicans.
Listen to this quote:
Obamacare is a Republican idea. It's based on the individual mandate, an idea introduced by the conservative pro-business Heritage Foundation, promoted by Republican leaders, and enacted in Massachusetts by Gov. Romney. Republicans only began to detest it circa 2009 when President Obama and Democrats made it part of Obamacare.
We agree with Heritage that the differences between its original vision and the version enacted into law are not trivial, and are enough to undercut the president's effort to secure a Heritage Foundation seal of approval for his bill. But the president helped his case by wording his statement with extreme care. Intentionally or not, he gave himself subtle linguistic running room by saying that "a lot of the ideas" for the exchange came from Heritage, including the concept of "just being able to pool and improve the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market." Even if not all of the ideas in the two plans are identical, we feel that it was fair of him to say that "a lot of the ideas" are in common, including the notion of pooling. So we conclude that the president's statement qualifies as Mostly True.
Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama
Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.
Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.
Unsubsidized annual health insurance premium in 2014: $3,425 In most states, insurers can charge a tobacco surcharge of up to 50% of your total premium before the tax credit. The tax credit cannot be applied to the tobacco surcharge. Maximum % of income you have to pay for the non-tobacco premium, if eligible for a subsidy: None (before accounting for a tobacco surcharge, if applicable) Amount you pay for the premium: $3,425 per year (which equals 6.59% of your household income and covers 100% of the overall premium) You could receive a government tax credit subsidy of up to: $0 (which covers 0% of the overall premium) Bronze Plan The premium amounts above are based on a Silver plan. You could purchase other levels of coverage, such as a Gold plan (which would be more comprehensive) or a Bronze plan (which would be less comprehensive). For example, you could enroll in a Bronze plan for about $2,410 per year (which is 4.64% of your household income). For most people, the Bronze plan represents the minimum level of coverage required under health reform. Although you would pay less in premiums by enrolling in a Bronze plan, you will face higher out-of-pocket costs than if you enrolled in a Silver plan. Out of Pocket Costs Your out-of-pocket maximum for a Silver plan (not including the premium) can be no more than $6,350. Whether you reach this maximum level will depend on the amount of health care services you use. Currently, about one in four people use no health care services in any given year.
chiefsmom
Unsubsidized annual health insurance premium in 2014: $3,425 In most states, insurers can charge a tobacco surcharge of up to 50% of your total premium before the tax credit. The tax credit cannot be applied to the tobacco surcharge. Maximum % of income you have to pay for the non-tobacco premium, if eligible for a subsidy: None (before accounting for a tobacco surcharge, if applicable) Amount you pay for the premium: $3,425 per year (which equals 6.59% of your household income and covers 100% of the overall premium) You could receive a government tax credit subsidy of up to: $0 (which covers 0% of the overall premium) Bronze Plan The premium amounts above are based on a Silver plan. You could purchase other levels of coverage, such as a Gold plan (which would be more comprehensive) or a Bronze plan (which would be less comprehensive). For example, you could enroll in a Bronze plan for about $2,410 per year (which is 4.64% of your household income). For most people, the Bronze plan represents the minimum level of coverage required under health reform. Although you would pay less in premiums by enrolling in a Bronze plan, you will face higher out-of-pocket costs than if you enrolled in a Silver plan. Out of Pocket Costs Your out-of-pocket maximum for a Silver plan (not including the premium) can be no more than $6,350. Whether you reach this maximum level will depend on the amount of health care services you use. Currently, about one in four people use no health care services in any given year.
So here is mine, if I needed it, which thank god I don't. I did it by myself, without my husband.
He is a smoker as well, so with that whole, up to 50% more of the premium tax, we would really be screwed. (Aren't smokers now going to be double taxed? Once when they buy the pack, then with the insurance?
So, If I did have health problems, I would be looking at $11,487.50 a year. (50% additional premium added for being a smoker.)
HomeBrew
What plan is she getting? Bronze? Silver? Other??? Also, sounds like she would be the optimal candidate for the tax credit, one that could be near $5000 +/-, a credit that can be paid/applied upfront. I am by no means a Obamacare supporter, but for someone with no health care (I assume she has none?) It does not sound like a bad deal...
avg US Income~$50,000
Wrabbit2000
reply to post by sulaw
I think you're right. See... I wouldn't know for sure... It seems the US Census Bureau is shut down for the duration, as well. When I went to pull something as simple as median US income, I got the 'We are closed' message. Amazing isn't it?
Anyway.. I'm sure you're right. The next best thing I found was a source which sourced the Census data. It had said a bit over 40k last I personally saw it. so somewhere in there is right.
Sure not enough to pay these premiums for those deductibles and call it anything like a service delivered for the money.