FBI reports Unidentified Fibrous Objects in samples from Morgellons patients

reply to post by willrush


I think it could be used responsibly, but with their history of abuse TPTB are not likely to take that path. The likelihood of wanting to die at some stage if you were immortal in this dimension, is high. I really don't want to be a robot and it does certainly seem like it could be a real problem as technology advances exponentially.

This is a very interesting and disturbing thread.

I'm most concerned by the link between Morgellons and the Agrobacterium used in Genetically Modified plants.

from the Institute of Science in Society (ISIS) website:

...Agrobacterium, a soil bacterium extensively manipulated and used in making GM crops...

and

Vitaly Citovsky is a professor of molecular and cell biology at Stony Brook University in New York (SUNY). He is a world authority on the genetic modification of cells by Agrobacterium....
....Citovsky’s team took scanning electron microscope pictures of the fibres in or extruding from the skin of patients suffering from Morgellons disease, confirming that they are unlike any ordinary natural or synthetic fibres....
....They also analysed patients for Agrobacterium DNA....
....They found that “all Morgellons patients screened to date have tested positive for the presence of Agrobacterium, whereas this microorganism has not been detected in any of the samples derived from the control, healthy individuals.” Their preliminary conclusion is that “Agrobacterium may be involved in the etiology and/or progression” of Morgellons Disease....
...Agrobacterium not only infects human and other animal cells, it also transfers genes into them. It was SUNY professor Citovsky and his team that made the discovery some years ago [10]. Until then, the genetic engineering community had assumed that Agrobacterium did not infect animal cells, and certainly would not transfer genes into them.

Agrobacterium was found to transfer T-DNA into the chromosomes of human cells.

(ISIS is a "not for profit" organisation dedicated to providing critical and accessible scientific information to the public and to promoting social accountability and ecological sustainability in science.)

So, if I'm reading this correctly:
They use an agrobacterium for genetically modifying plants, in the production of GM food.
This agrobacterium can allow the transfer of genetic material, including DNA into the cells of other living organisms.

A world authority on the genetic modification of cells by agrobacterium says that it can, AND DOES transfer genetic material into the chromosomes OF HUMAN CELLS. AND that the agrobacterium has been found in ALL of the morgellons sufferers tested so far, and in NONE of the healthy control group?

Is this ringing any alarm bells for anyone else here yet???

(Re: fibers in McD's nuggets - Are the chickens used by McD's for their McNuggets fed GM food by any chance?)

GM NEEDS to be stopped while this is looked into IMHO.

GTD

Dianec
I have heard quite a bit about this condition, and those who have it swear it is not psychological - had no previous symptomology and are otherwise healthy. I am happy to see it continues to be researched because it appears the suffering is tremendous - mainly because noone appears to believe these people. I know when fiber myalgia came about that was also considered a psychological disorder. Precursors to an epileptic seizure were also once thought to be psychological in nature. Even psychological conditions have a physical reason - at least those on Axis 1.

I think it's wrong to say it's all in their head. Thoughts can create physical manifestations so they need to see what checmical reactions are happening if claiming it is imagined. Such a statement would not end research but rather take it into another direction. Cortisol or adrenaline levels off? Other chemical imbalances?

I got something similar while staying in my parents house. It's an old farmhouse where the owner kept animals in the top floor during Winter. Combine that with our pets bringing in fleas, and I'd feel this itching and get small raised red bumps on my skin that would break open on their own. These just would not heal unless treated with sulphur compounds, just get bigger and bigger, and there would be white fibres on the edges, even with a bandage. Woke up one night to feel as if my feet were on fire, put on the light and saw over 15 fleas on my feet.

We had to hoover the floors every day, apply anti-flea spray to all our pets and disinfect everything with bleach.
For us, it was a combination of fleas that pick up house dust, fungal spores and inject them into the bloodstream.

reply to post by Gordi The Drummer


Yes indeed this is very very worrying, especially since we seem to be having no choice in whether we want GMO or not or if it is used in the foods we buy at some stage in their chain of production. Not that I eat much processed stuff but just seeing the McNuggets article along side this GMO connection shows that possibly what we think of as healthy meat (as in fresh meat) may indeed be 'infected' with Agrobacterium from GMO animal feed that would definitely not be stated on the packaging of the cuts of fresh meat.

Also a bit surprised that with all the articles linked here that no one has brought up Clifford Carnicom, who was the first person I came across who was looking into Morgellons, and this was years ago now.

Carnicom Website

Lots of Youtube Vids from Carnicom

Morgellons is a multi-symptom disease that is just now starting to be researched and understood. It has a number primary symptoms:
•Physical ◦Spontaneously Erupting Skin lesions
◦Sensation of crawling, biting on and under the skin
◦Appearance of blue, black or red fibers and granules beneath and/or extruding from the skin
◦Fatigue
•Mental ◦Short-term memory loss
◦Attention Deficit, Bipolar or Obsessive-Compulsive disorders
◦Impaired thought processing (brain fog)
◦Depression and feelings of isolation

At the current moment i am currently experiencing the following symptom's:
- fatigue
- Attention Deficit
- impaired thought processing
- depression
- sensation of something on my skin.

Oh no; i have 5 of the 8 symptoms either i'm infected or its 7:30 am and i'm itchy!

I believe in advanced technologies that have not been made public, however just because something comes out of a person that should be there naturally DOESN'T MEAN THE GOVERNMENT PUT IT THERE. You might be surprised at how many foreign objects enter your body with your knowledge.

1400 degrees may seem like a lot when our skin burns around 150 degrees, but to put it in perspective, brass melts at 1650 degrees. (www.engineeringtoolbox.com...)

There is all sorts of crap in the air. Depending on your job, you might be exposed to and inhale filaments or micro-granules and never know you did it. Here is a short list of possibilities that i came up with in 10 minutes. there are a billion other scenarios:
- Personally, I work in quarries a lot. I'm exposed to all sorts of mirco-crystals that i'm sure i have inhaled. Strontianite, anhydrite and gypsum are all present where i go, and are easily ingested via breathing. They are abrasive in nature and can easily cut up your lungs and enter your body.
- You work in a machine shop and inhale metal / alloy fibers, or bite your nails and ingest it with out knowing it.
- You go swimming and ingest filaments from a bathing suit, or grit tracked into the pool, suspended in the water.
- you fall cut yourself bad, all sorts of stuff gets pushed into your wound.
- etc.

- Either you poop it out or it becomes lodged in your tissue. Foreign objects lodged in your tissue can take years to come out. So long, that when it does finally emerge you have no recollection of the event that got it there in the first place. Due to the length of the exiting process the exit site on your body tends to get all red and even infected; but this is natural.

- its very easy to become frightened seeing a fiber or other element emerge from your forearm that wasn't there yesterday. With all the Sci-Fi movies and the crazy realistic special effects we have today, its very easy to let your imagination get the better of you. Just because a object is super heat resistant, doesn't mean there are robots in you.

Gordi The Drummer
This is a very interesting and disturbing thread.

I'm most concerned by the link between Morgellons and the Agrobacterium used in Genetically Modified plants.

from the Institute of Science in Society (ISIS) website:

Unless it's changed a lot, ISIS is a proponent of homeopathy, "water memory" and traditional Chinese medicine as well. While some of the members are fairly well thought of, others have rather dubious credentials, including Mae-Wan Ho.

However, the rest of your post is correct, sort of. Agro does not infect cells, it infects organisms. It can, in fact, insert T-DNA sequences into animal cells. And even "wild" Agro will try this. Might be a good reason not to handle plant galls.

Wild Agro's payload is for plant hormones that don't express in animal cells. I'm not sure what you'd get from modified T-DNA, but remember, no matter WHAT's in there, it would have to be something your cells could make. Extruding super fibers that can't be burned doesn't seem to be the sort of thing your cells would be capable of.

reply to post by Phage


I love this guy and have immense respect for Phage and it wasn't always like that. After a while my perception of his approach is Occam's razor. If something besides the obvious is presented I've noticed that he is asking for the data as extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And that's something we should all do. Especially as online information becomes more prevalent. If we post random bits of data and bias that information towards a theory or hypothesis we have stating a direct correlation, some people run with that. That's called misinformation and is not necessarily a responsible think to do.

So OP, thank you for your opinion on this, it's an interesting perspective, but that's all it is.

Phage, thank you for your diligence and taking the time to reel us in from time to time.

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Posting so I can read later! S&F.

So if we are being experimented on what is the agenda ??

PhageBTW. Beforitisnews is not an acceptable source.(no reason given)