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WorthlessServant
When something is illegal, it discourages the behavior. Is it so difficult to understand that? Making something legal therefore enables the behavior or no longer discourages it.
combatmaster
reply to post by BigfootNZ
Firstly.... you have misquoted me a few times. I didnt speak of 'love'!
Secondly, You missed my point. I am not here trying to deny homosexuality. I am simply asking 'why does it exist in the first place'. Nobody looks into the cause, only the justification. This is ignorant.
As humans we have the ability to fully understand ourselves and the environment from other perspectives.
We are the only species that has the ability to self-destruct. Why is this not a trait among other species?
Im not gonna argue.
FlyersFan
And since there is nothing wrong with homosexuality ... since it is a natural event in nature ... since those people deserve the same rights as everyone else ... since it doesn't hurt you in the least bit .... then GOOD! Legalize it. It's about time our laws reflected some evolution and maturity in this matter.
dakota1s2
reply to post by Christian Voice
I'm facing that situation right now. I have 4 boys(all grown actually) My youngest two(twins) raised differently that the older two. My four know how my wife and I feel about that kind of lifestyle and raised ours as Christians.
My oldest called me to warn us that one of the youngest was ready to "come out". I have known for a while that the appearance tended to say "gay". I ACTUALLY SURPRISED MY WIFE AND BOYS
I told them that I would never disown my gay son, but my belief system says that he can't bring that lifestyle into my home. He is always welcome, but alone.
I was told that it would change the family gatherings if I didn't allow that behavior during the holidays.
I said, both of us made choices...He to indulge in that behavior and decide not to come home for the holidays, and I in saying I wouldn't allow that behavior in my house. Immoral, disgusting, aberrant, selfish behavior. Love my son always....Hate the behavior always.
P.S. As an aside my son hasn't told my wife(who is in denial) of his lifestyle choice..She doesn't want to hear it, and says if she does....she will want to move from her lifelong hometown.edit on 7-10-2013 by dakota1s2 because: (no reason given)
WorthlessServant
. . . If the government revoked incest laws i will put ANY money down that people would start marrying their siblings, even though it is generally frowned upon. If the government revoked polygamy laws, i will again put ANY money down that people would start to have more than one wife, even though it is generally understood that you should have one marital partner.
FlyersFan
And since there is nothing wrong with homosexuality ... since it is a natural event in nature ... since those people deserve the same rights as everyone else ... since it doesn't hurt you in the least bit .... then GOOD! Legalize it. It's about time our laws reflected some evolution and maturity in this matter.
bigfatfurrytexan
combatmaster
reply to post by BigfootNZ
Firstly.... you have misquoted me a few times. I didnt speak of 'love'!
Secondly, You missed my point. I am not here trying to deny homosexuality. I am simply asking 'why does it exist in the first place'. Nobody looks into the cause, only the justification. This is ignorant.
As humans we have the ability to fully understand ourselves and the environment from other perspectives.
We are the only species that has the ability to self-destruct. Why is this not a trait among other species?
Im not gonna argue.
Its all in how we utilize abstract thought with logic. We are more capable of abstract thought, it would seem, than most animals.
The difficult part in discussing such things is that none of us really has a context for the "animal mind". We can't even successfully discern between our ego, our psyche, and that other "inner being" that some call "the true self" or "the soul".
WorthlessServant
It also doesn't harm anyone to have more than one wife, and it doesn't harm anyone to make incest marriage legal too right?
It also doesn't hurt anyone if someone runs streaking through a football crowd
Just because these things don't directly hurt another person, doesn't mean there isn't a long term effect on society.
dakota1s2
reply to post by Christian Voice
I'm facing that situation right now. I have 4 boys(all grown actually) My youngest two(twins) raised differently that the older two. My four know how my wife and I feel about that kind of lifestyle and raised ours as Christians.
My oldest called me to warn us that one of the youngest was ready to "come out". I have known for a while that the appearance tended to say "gay". I ACTUALLY SURPRISED MY WIFE AND BOYS
I told them that I would never disown my gay son, but my belief system says that he can't bring that lifestyle into my home. He is always welcome, but alone.
I was told that it would change the family gatherings if I didn't allow that behavior during the holidays.
I said, both of us made choices...He to indulge in that behavior and decide not to come home for the holidays, and I in saying I wouldn't allow that behavior in my house. Immoral, disgusting, aberrant, selfish behavior. Love my son always....Hate the behavior always.
I was told that it would change the family gatherings if I didn't allow that behavior during the holidays.
halfoldman
What came across as quite interesting was a kind of shift in power, implied both by the OP's letter (whether authentic or not), and by the thread discussions.
Those who are intolerant based on ideology may be treated with equal intolerance.
Yet, the astounding thing is some don't even realize this, and they are still on their imaginary thrones, imagining only they get to decide who should live where, who runs family gatherings and who should be accepted or not.
The implied message actually says that social status is earned by example.
Homophobes also run the risk of being excluded from certain situations, and families may eventually decide to meet behind their backs.
Especially as fundamentalism has led to a growing resentment towards social crusaders.
Nobody wants to be with a meddling, authoritarian bore.
Perhaps that's a message they should also consider - point a finger, and three more point right back.edit on 8-10-2013 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)
dakota1s2
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
Unconditionally is how I love.... As I said in my post, He is always welcome in my home just as yesterday he was..
My family will never disintegrate with my decision to not have the lifestyle in my home..You don't know me or my family