Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia Calls for Destruction of All Churches on Arabian Penninsula

It's the seminal irony of religion. If God is so great, wise and powerful, why isn't this "truth" transcendent and redeeming on it's own?

Why must believers dehumanize and coerce in order to garner faith? Why isn't faith enough for religion?

The truth is so obvious it does not need to be stated --or enforced for that matter.

ArtooDetoo
why didnt you post the rest of the article you quoted.

It was all there for anyone to click on and see. We are only allowed to post a certain % of the article. And that part of the article was irrelevant to the point being that the Islamic leadership is backwards and bad for the planet.

Those evil Muslims donating money and land to build churches, how dare they ?

Oh grow up and stop posting strawmen. I never slammed muslims. I just slammed this guy.
And he really deserves it.

And who is this lunatic anyway ?

The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia.

Is he the representative of Islam ? I think not.

There is no 'THE' representative. He is a spiritual leader of many in that part of the world.
And what he says weighs heavily in the court system of Saudi Arabia. The other Islamic
countries in that area pay close attention to what he says.

That would be the same if i used quotes of Westboro Baptist Church members to conclude that in Christianity there is no room for tolerance or others who worship god differently.

No. Another straw man. Not even close.

The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia

The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia is the most senior and most influential Sunni Muslim religious and legal authority in Saudi Arabia. The holder of the position is appointed by the King .. His main role is to give opinions (fatwas) on legal matters and on social affairs. The Saudi court system is heavily influenced by the opinions of the Grand Mufti.

Get it .. he's a big deal over there. The entire Saudi court system is heavily influenced by him. As for the Westboro Baptist Church ... they have a handful of followers and everyone ignores them. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Educate yourself.

Quite frankly I think its well time for the Muftis, Mullas and vitrionic religious squawkers to be held accountable for the venonous religious dribble they pollute the world with.

It is well past time to collect these hideous excuses for men and to put them on trial for inciting religious hatred and creating the conditions that incite indoctrinated, immature young men to carry out crimes against humanity and other religions. Why should any man be allowed to use religion as an excuse for hate crimes - because that is exactly what these men are doing. If they were not in religious garb would anyone listen to them?

When you look at country's where religion and politics are mixed, they all have the same fundamental flaw - they don't work because there is nothing spiritual about politics.

buster2010

tinner07
If islam was a drug it would be illegal....makes people blow stuff up

Blaming the wrong faith aren't you? Menachem Begin is the father of modern day terrorism.

Just because one country or ideology used terrorism does not grant a free pass for everyone to.

Period.

All such acts should be condemned and ridiculed, it is a weak ideology that uses the excuse "but he did it"

Perhaps, in a small way, the motivation of fatwas issued by the Imam or Sheikhs and clerics is misinterpreted as Sheik Abdullah Azzam preached the destruction of Islam as the need for jihad.

No churches on the Arabian peninsula because they feel other religions are attempting to destroy Islam, not meagerly coincide with it.

The motivation was to incense the Muslim world that the west is striving to destroy Islam.

Bin Laden entire preachings were the warning of destruction of Islam to be replaced by infidels of Jewish and or western religions.

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tinner07
If islam was a drug it would be illegal....makes people blow stuff up

Pretty sure that's all major religions.

Am I the only person that thought of Grand Moff Tarkin when they saw this headline?

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Hello FlyersFan!

Abdul-Aziz ibn Abdullah Aal ash-Shaikh was not the first to make such statements. Islam's founder, Prophet Muhammad actually proclaimed such sentiment:

"Expel pagans from the Arabian Peninsula; respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them." (Sahîh Bukhârî)

"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims." (Sahîh Muslim)

"Two religions shall not coexist in the Arab lands." (Muwatta Mâlik)

Many Islamic academics have tried to tone-down Muhammad's proclamation as "Hejaz Region" (Mecca, Medina, al-Yamamah, Khaybar, al-Yanbu, and surrounding area).

Muhammad actually did attack, expell, conquer, and converted the Jews, Christians, and Pagans of his domain.


May Peace be upon us all.

butcherguy

buster2010

tinner07
If islam was a drug it would be illegal....makes people blow stuff up

Blaming the wrong faith aren't you? Menachem Begin is the father of modern day terrorism.

Ahhh, that's right, Islam is the religion of peace!

No, I don't see where he is blaming the wrong faith, he just neglected to blame the one that you noted.

Did I hurt your feelings pointing out who started terrorism and it wasn't the religion he listed?

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.....who started terrorism......

No religion, no political movement, and no single person invented or "started" terrorism. Terrorism is simply using fear, intimidation, and violence to influence, control, or conquer.

Heck, we even have witnessed "terrorism" in chimpanzees, when one clan attacks another.



Since when did talking about the color purple mean that one negates and ignores all of the other colors? Talking about Islam does not mean we are ignoring the facts of a different topic that you are trying to interject.

The topic is not about terrorism. It is about Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti proclaiming Islam as the only acceptable religion to be practiced in the Arabian Peninsula,... which was in response to a presentation regarding lifting the ban on non-Muslim religious constructions in Kuwait. This edict is also supported by Prophet Muhammad. So much for religious tolerance and "no compulsion in religion".

FlyersFan
It was all there for anyone to click on and see. We are only allowed to post a certain % of the article. And that part of the article was irrelevant to the point being that the Islamic leadership is backwards and bad for the planet.

But this article is about some nutcase from Saudi Arabia, yet you present it as he is some spiritual leader for all the Muslims around the world.
Again, using one man words to slander the whole religion. How is the part of the article irrelevant ? It presents on one hand Saudi Arabia's grand mufti as a bigot, but it also states that influential people from other Muslim countries aren't so backward as you are trying to portray. How can it be irrelevant ?

FlyersFan
Oh grow up and stop posting strawmen. I never slammed muslims. I just slammed this guy.
And he really deserves it.

Bs. Lets look at what you wrote :

FlyersFan
So, according to Islam, there cannot be any religion except Islam on the Arabian peninsula.

You just slammed this guy ? Yeah, because Islam is this guy, right ?

FlyersFan
There is no 'THE' representative. He is a spiritual leader of many in that part of the world.
And what he says weighs heavily in the court system of Saudi Arabia. The other Islamic
countries in that area pay close attention to what he says.

Yeah ? They pay so much attention him that influential people from neighboring countries are donating money and land so a church can be build ? Yeah, everybody listens to him yadda yadda yadda. Its like saying that every American shares the same opinion as their president.

FlyersFan
Get it .. he's a big deal over there. The entire Saudi court system is heavily influenced by him. As for the Westboro Baptist Church ... they have a handful of followers and everyone ignores them. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Big deal over where ? You say he is a big deal over there, yet it only seems that he has influence in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is a country for itself, you know. So where is "over there" ?

buster2010
Blaming the wrong faith aren't you? Menachem Begin is the father of modern day terrorism.

Nice one. Get the anti Jew quote in when the OP is about Islamic intolerance. Try to keep on topic.

Saudi Arabia is not just intolerant of Christianity but also other minority religions and other Muslims. They are not very nice towards women either, for that matter.

Regards

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Your right americas biggest allie saudi arabia is a terrorist state, now what are you going to about it

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This is true, Menachem Begin is the self described father of modern terrorism but that doesnt really take away from the statements made by this Saudi guy.

Fortunately, I dont think anyone listens to this clown.

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But this article is about some nutcase from Saudi Arabia, yet you present it as he is some spiritual leader for all the Muslims around the world.

May Peace be with you ArtooDetoo. If you will spare me some words, I will explain the significance of this "nutcase".


From the very moment of Muhammad's death, there has always been dissension as to who shall be Islam's leader. The leader of the Muslim religion is known as a Caliph. “Caliph” is the title of the political, military, and spiritual leader of the Muslim nation. The Caliph is a position similar to a Papal-King.

Throughout the centuries, the debate over Caliphate has lead to rebellion, assassination, war, and sectarian splits.

Today, there is no Caliph, and there is nothing even close to a universal Islamic consensus. There are too many political, nationalistic, tribal, and sectarian fragments to be properly represented.



Modern-day Saudi Arabia was founded upon a pact between the House of Saud and House of Al ash-Sheikh. The Saud Family would rule in political matters, the Al ash-Sheikh Family would rule in religious matters, and the two families would support each other in all causes.

In essence, the Caliphate of Saudi Arabia is split into a 50/50 governance between the Sauds and the Al ash-Sheikhs.

The "nutcase" in the op, Abdul-Aziz ibn Abdullah Aal ash-Shaikh, is today's leading religious authority of Saudi Arabia, and is directly descended from Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, who is the patriarch of the Al ash-Sheikh Family.

Being the head religious authority of Saudi Arabia, (Prophet Muhammad's homeland), Abdul-Aziz ibn Abdullah Aal ash-Shaikh could be considered as the "Pope" of Sunni Islam,... or the "Pope" of Saudi Arabia,... or at least, the "Pope" of Salafi/Wahabi Islam. Either way, he is a significant religious authority figure.

This is awsome the usa is funding hatred, and yet you guys blame iran lol.

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What is This ? The Spanish Inquisition ? ........

But, to the monks of Saint Katherines in the Sinai, he sent an authenticated letter saying he stood with them, that none should hurt them or attack their churches, et. Got to be carefully, like the Torah and the Talmud, ain't the same creature. The Koran and Mohammed's words are separate from the volumes of commentary and I heard him say, second hand gossip that some of these fools proclaim as Islam.

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Out of context, The Achtiname Pact of Muhammad is a wonderful illustration of religious coexistence.

However, in context, we realize that Muhammad preached peace before he turned to intolerance, totalitarianism, and jihad.

Qur'an Chapter 9 and Verse of the Sword were amongst the final verses to be revealed in Islam. It mentions disassociation of pacts, treaties, and calls for an all-out campaign of conversion, conquest, and jihad. All of the violent, military illustrations were carried out up until Muhammad's death. It is clear that the peaceful path was abandoned by Muhammad during the final years of his life.

FlyersFan
Pravo Slavie - Saudi Mufti Again Calls for Destruction of All Churches on Arabian Penninsula

Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia Abdulaziz Bin Abdullah has once again called for the destruction of all Churches on the Arabian Peninsula.

Bin Abdullah, head of the Ulema Council and the Standing Committee on Fatwas, made this statement after a presentation by the Kuwaiti parliamentarian Osama Al-Munawer of the bill that bans construction of new non-Muslim religious buildings in Kuwait.

The Mufti stated that, according to Islamic law, all churches in the region must be demolished; i.e., Islam is the only legal religion here. The words of Muhammad that "there cannot be two religions on the Arabian peninsula" the head of the Sunni always interprets in favor of Islam.

Also carried by - Gateway Pundit

Hey Abdulaziz Bin Abdullah .... evolve a little, will ya'??? Geeeeze ...

So, according to Islam, there cannot be any religion except Islam on the Arabian peninsula. There is no room for modernization. No room for tolerance of others who worship God differently. Just the 'Muhammad said it so it must be true' mentality. Words spoken by a politician/war leader 1400 years ago used as an excuse by people to go out and commit murder and destruction in 2013. Pretty dang sad.

Take you own advise.