Will I be accused of a crime and arrested if I speak out about the government?

tweetybird0428
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WOW. I am upset with my government but I try not to act like an idiot and I don't call people silly names.

peace.

(i can sea ewe will go far.)

Name calling is certainly not my intention. Calling one a puppet is an analogy to describe one that follows others or does their bidding. Obviously the anger lies on your side. I meant no offense. Cheers

Doesn't matter if you are labeled one or not.

What matters is you have an Opinion on how your government should behave, its your duty as a Citizen to voice your descent as loudly and to as many people as you can.

Myself, I am an active letter writer to every one of my reps, and I have volunteered for things like the Ron Paul campaign.

If you are an American, you have a duty to take part in the political system, from something as simple as informed voting, to much larger political action.

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No, but that attitude you have will get you locked up by men in white coast for extreme paranoia....so in a way yes! but not for the reasons you think.

MadMax9
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No, but that attitude you have will get you locked up by men in white coast for extreme paranoia....so in a way yes! but not for the reasons you think.

Not paranoid, just very leary of the current governmet as evident on the nightly new. Already passed several psyc exams over the the years for employment screening. No issues there, though my ex would disagree...lol

MadMax9
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No, but that attitude you have will get you locked up by men in white coast for extreme paranoia....so in a way yes! but not for the reasons you think.

I am a bit unclear on what makes an opinion an attitude. I guess attitudes (I'm sure you mean negative) are abundant on ATS.

GNOarmy

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being hi-jacked by persons that I feel really want to tear this great nation apart and rebuild with re-writing of the constitution, changing local and federal laws that further strip us of certain rights and place radicals in key positions to accomplish just that.
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Thoughts anyone? Be kind. I don't post often, but this really had my gears turning.

Thanks

Thoughts? It's your opinion. And opinions differ. The problem is yours if you act with a FALSE assumption that "anyone else" agrees...because then you have indeed the mindset of a terrorist/criminal.

Do you REALLY think anyone else agrees with you that "the government" or "Obama" tears this nation apart? Do you really think that ALL people think Obamacare is bad etc..etc..

See..how subjective everything is.

Also...and I hate to say it...MANY people who are full of hate/emotions "against the government" do NOT have the full story, they act/think from a biased point of view, from THEIR view.

It is very easy to be emotionally wound up by "the bad government"....but is it OBAMA and "the government" who lays off people? Is it OBAMA who fires people and does not want to pay their healthcare? Is it OBAMA "the government" who is responsible for your personal current situation?

What about the rest?

Why not take your anger out on the corporates? Why not demonstrate in front of the factories/corporate buildings..rather than simplify your own view and think everything must be blamed on the current president?

And ONCE you have such an irrational viewpoint where you simply don't see the entire picture....or "the truth"...you are not acting any different than a "crazy person"...a person who has some set point of view and is unable to see everything else. (Which is very close to a radical and also makes you, sort of, dangerous due to irrational thinking/acting).

As a young person you have more to lose so I would say, no, keep your head down. People who have gone up against this cabal (the Bush Crime Family, et al) have been suicided, murdered gruesomely in public, been hit with drone strikes like Michael Hastings, or had small plane issues (JFK Jr and Paul Wellstone and I believe the guy who arranged the vote count switch on the Dieboldt machines)... it's not that they control the Pentagon, it's that they are MORE POWERFUL than the Pentagon, and act in secret and with apparent impunity.

Cleaning up this mess is the responsibility of the older generation (who stood by and watched it happen without more of an uproar), and those of us with very little left to lose.

I consider this subject every day, I'm 60 years old going on much older (lots of health problems and no money) and I'm beginning to have some pretty fervent 'fantasies' of what needs to be done, and to whom it needs to be done.

I think there's a list somewhere of the 200-odd people truly responsible for this mess and I consider them all traitors to the Constitution and the global human family. Maybe the only saving grace of all this is, it's several million of us to every 1 of them. Keep waking up the sheep, OP, just do it quietly. The benefit your generation has that ours did not is the internet; it's truly a global electronic form of telepathy, and just as powerful.

- Member of the Guillotine Party; For Absolute Accountability in Government -

For a very good warning about how you, too, can be charged with 'child porn' on your computer, take a look at this video from Luke Rudkowski of 'We Are Change' who was set up by somebody and only dodged it with smarts and good luck:

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NoRulesAllowed

GNOarmy

>>
being hi-jacked by persons that I feel really want to tear this great nation apart and rebuild with re-writing of the constitution, changing local and federal laws that further strip us of certain rights and place radicals in key positions to accomplish just that.
>>

Thoughts anyone? Be kind. I don't post often, but this really had my gears turning.

Thanks

Thoughts? It's your opinion. And opinions differ. The problem is yours if you act with a FALSE assumption that "anyone else" agrees...because then you have indeed the mindset of a terrorist/criminal.

Do you REALLY think anyone else agrees with you that "the government" or "Obama" tears this nation apart? Do you really think that ALL people think Obamacare is bad etc..etc..

See..how subjective everything is.

Also...and I hate to say it...MANY people who are full of hate/emotions "against the government" do NOT have the full story, they act/think from a biased point of view, from THEIR view.

It is very easy to be emotionally wound up by "the bad government"....but is it OBAMA and "the government" who lays off people? Is it OBAMA who fires people and does not want to pay their healthcare? Is it OBAMA "the government" who is responsible for your personal current situation?

What about the rest?

Why not take your anger out on the corporates? Why not demonstrate in front of the factories/corporate buildings..rather than simplify your own view and think everything must be blamed on the current president?

And ONCE you have such an irrational viewpoint where you simply don't see the entire picture....or "the truth"...you are not acting any different than a "crazy person"...a person who has some set point of view and is unable to see everything else. (Which is very close to a radical and also makes you, sort of, dangerous due to irrational thinking/acting).

Here is another fine example of someone that thinks I am simply angry, not concerned.

I have looked at both viewpoints and considered alternatives. That is exactly what lead to my opinions. I have waited 5 years under this administration for something positive to happen (my opinion again). I have seen nothing but increased debt, attempts at stripping away rights and a MUCH LARGER government that believes they know best for us all. Obviously they don't believe that Joe Citizen can make decisions for himself so they must need government to do it for him.

I am not angry. Fed up may be a better description. It seems that their are several others on HERE that are ANGRY that I have an opinion. Spin it how you want if it makes you feel better, but the fact is we ALL will still have an opinion come tomorrow and forever. It just seems to be getting closer to being illegal for expressing one. I respect your opinion, but somehow you don't respect any that speak against your beliefs. Its called debate and I had fun. Thanks

As for protesting in front of factories and such, they have yet to force new laws upon the nation and take away freedoms that I have OPINIONATED as essential.

Why do so many have a problem with one speaking out? Another great example. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

GNOarmy

ProfessorChaos
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In response to the title, yes, it is very possible, if not likely.

It is something I give a lot of thought to, but being a single parent and having a career, I'm just not sure I could risk it. Thanks for your reply.

It is because of our children that we must speak out and give voice to the defenders of constitutional republicanism.

There are some OK countries out there, nice ones even but, this is the last free country on earth built upon the most individualistic ideals of liberty. We owe it to the next generation and the preceding generation who gave their lives so that we might have a chance to live and pursue happiness without the yoke of serfdom around our necks.

There is only one way to step back from the precipice. We must remove official power and officials gradually and peacefully. Starting with local recall elections, town meetings, budget cuts, firings and if necessary legal action.

Without animosity, we must incorporate those newly reintegrated citizens who are ideologically sympathetic to our cause, to the cause. At each stage we stand to gain allies and informed consultants who will help us to proceed to the next stage and bring additional legitimacy to the austerity movement.

I think this is the mechanism our forefathers intended for us to employ.

Not revolution, not insurrection but vigilant, informed and relentless relibertification.

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depends if u go public quick enough then they go for plan b n discredit u

greencmp

GNOarmy

ProfessorChaos
reply to post by GNOarmy

 

In response to the title, yes, it is very possible, if not likely.

It is something I give a lot of thought to, but being a single parent and having a career, I'm just not sure I could risk it. Thanks for your reply.

It is because of our children that we must speak out and give voice to the defenders of constitutional republicanism.

There are some OK countries out there, nice ones even but, this is the last free country on earth built upon the most individualistic ideals of liberty. We owe it to the next generation and the preceding generation who gave their lives so that we might have a chance to live and pursue happiness without the yoke of serfdom around our necks.

There is only one way to step back from the precipice. We must remove official power and officials gradually and peacefully. Starting with local recall elections, town meetings, budget cuts, firings and if necessary legal action.

Without animosity, we must incorporate those newly reintegrated citizens who are ideologically sympathetic to our cause, to the cause. At each stage we stand to gain allies and informed consultants who will help us to proceed to the next stage and bring additional legitimacy to the austerity movement.

I think this is the mechanism our forefathers intended for us to employ.

Not revolution, not insurrection but vigilant, informed and relentless relibertification.

Thanks for your valued and respected opinion. Thank you for supporting one's right to have one. I seem to have been demonized, called crazy, a terrorist for expressing mine. Never once did I advocate violence or even consider it, but speaking contrary to the current government and the silly decisions they make has made me all of the above. Guess our forfathers were absolutely extreme then. What happened to us as a nation?

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Thanks for your valued and respected opinion. Thank you for supporting one's right to have one. I seem to have been demonized, called crazy, a terrorist for expressing mine. Never once did I advocate violence or even consider it, but speaking contrary to the current government and the silly decisions they make has made me all of the above. Guess our forfathers were absolutely extreme then. What happened to us as a nation?

They were extreme indeed, the idea that individuals have pre-existing rights that are not granted by any government is unique in the world. It is clearly stated and well supported in our declaration of independence, constitution and bill of rights.

I cannot speak for anyone else but, for me, I never lost sight of it and I imagine that most of us share that vision.

For the individualist there is nothing more repugnant than having to associate oneself with politics. It is the bane of free people that we should be forced to be ever wary of the designs of tyrants upon our sacred autonomy.

Alas, we must take the time, suffer the indignity and twiddle our thumbs in ridiculously long and tiresome town meetings and legislative assemblies to make sure that the liberty that we once took for granted stays firmly in our grasp.

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You will be branded an Enemy of the State/Terrorist/Easter Bunny then banished into a black prison in europe or gitmo.

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well there's this, although there is no proof other than the guys word.

FBI interrogated man after comment about American “Police State” on Facebook

depending on how vocal you get and what you say, i would say be very careful. the patriot act makes it so you can be picked up and held without anyone knowing when, where, and why.

GNOarmy
Seriously! I was having a discussion with my girlfriend about current politics and laws being forced upon us all. The discussion went further into details about my opinion, yes opinion about my country(USA) being hi-jacked by persons that I feel really want to tear this great nation apart and rebuild with re-writing of the constitution, changing local and federal laws that further strip us of certain rights and place radicals in key positions to accomplish just that.

So she said to me " You're great at speaking in public and people like you. Why don't you organize and speak up?"

Then it occured to me. I would be labeled anti-goverment, a terrorist, a racist I suppose ( I'm a white male from SE Ohio so I must be one, right?). I may be placed on a government watchlist and may be stripped of my right to fly. I could lose my rights as granted under the constitution and bill of rights.

Think about it for a moment. You see on the news, hear on the radio and read in forums just like this about people being charged with crimes such as drug trafficing, child porn, gun violations and even shootings. Later you then hear stories about these individuals being anti-government or a "gun nut". Or any number of labels deamed threatening by the feds. Makes me wonder how many innocent men and women are sitting in prison telling their story about how they were set up because they didn't agree with the status quo and spoke up!

Thoughts anyone? Be kind. I don't post often, but this really had my gears turning.

Thanks

Do you know of the case of Ms Susan Lindauer (Extreme Prejudice)?

She spent time in jail.

Others like Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura have so far escaped jail.

Too much Flouride, so little resistance!!

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Unless suspected of 'terrorist' activities -poof no more rights to anything . That's the whole pt of a war on terror . Constitutions just a piece of paper you know- per bush2.

Of course not!

MLK & Malcom X are sure to agree with me as well, they post on this site every now and then.