I think I know What Chemtrails are... and it's worse than you can imagine!

reply to post by Korg Trinity


I'm well aware of how dynamic the environment is, and how hard it is to model. I'm also well aware, far more than most, of how contrails are formed, why planes fly the way they do and how hard it would be for planes to carry enough to effect the environment in any useful way.

You want to convince people, find the planes. Prove that the planes are being modified to spray something. You find the planes, you can blow this wide open. But until you either sample a trail directly, or find the planes you can't prove anything.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


I look up every day. I'm outside 24/7, and if there's one thing I do it's watch planes. I have yet to see anything that doesn't look, act, and behave just like a normal contrail.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Resorting to tactics such as the one desperate measure above to either discredit me or anger me, i'm afraid is quite impossible.

I have no reason to discredit you or make you angry I am doing what this site is supposed to do...

Deny Ignorance

You should try it sometime.

I think it's ignorant to deny the existence of chemtrails

reply to post by Rezlooper

I think it's ignorant to deny the existence of chemtrails

Well that is your right to think that...

It still doesn't prove chemtrails are real..

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I think it's ignorant to deny the existence of chemtrails

Well that is your right to think that...

It still doesn't prove chemtrails are real..

No, it doesn't. Just going by observation after 42 years of living on this great planet of ours.

reply to post by the2ofusr1


Does Anyone remember the oil spill in the Gulf Of Mexico?
Does anyone think that maybe that may have had something to do
with climate change?
How's the Gulf Stream these days?
Anyone Know?

reply to post by Rezlooper


And all observation proves is that aviation technology has changed.

Yeah, I could see this being sold to pilates as a way to save earth, when instead, its very harmful and could create an ice age, and kill billions, aside from harming climate and poisoining everything. Its a dark side destruction of life and earth, and every creature on it.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

And all observation proves is that aviation technology has changed.

Why is it that sometimes you'll just see the trail sort of, just turn off? If the contrail is going to produce a trail with enough vapors to create clouds, then why does it just stop mid-flight? I know the "official" explanation is that the contrail is to do with temperature and elevation...so did the plane suddenly go through a temperature change at that elevation because I'm sure that it's elevation didn't change that abruptly, did it?

reply to post by Rezlooper


It's not temperature that's the key, it's humidity. The plane went through a drier stretch of air that stopped the contrail formation. The atmosphere changes constantly.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


The planes, the silver planes that do this "work".., and I agree with your assessment that it's being done to increase the earth's albedo or tendency to reflect sunlight, so these are cloud seeding operations, setting aside the possibility of aerosols for EMF/HAARP related activities.. the planes, yes, I almost forgot what I was going to say, they or some of them use adaptive camouflage technolohgy, because I saw one vanish before my eyes in a clear blue sky, vanish, along with the trail that it was making, which just stopped dead in the sky, the silver plane that was making the chemtrail suddenly just GONE, and so I checked on the Internet and found other pretty much identical experiences. It needn't be alien technology by any means I'm just pointing out the lengths to which they are prepared to go to remain secretive. This was in Canada just north of Toronto and I was viewing it almost continuously (without running off the road) through the sunroof in my car which was opened, and I had a clear view of a perfect blue sky. One minute it was there, a silver plane way up high making a chemtrail, and then the trail AND the plane, just stopped, poof gone and there was nothing after that but clear blue sky, it really freaked me out and then to find that others have experienced the exact same thing confirm my suspicion about adaptive camouflage.

But it's not a secret plan to suddenly unleash as much sudden change as possible, but an actual program to stave off global warming while the technologies are developed and employed to move the world in the direction of a green energy infrastructure, during the 21st century so as to stave off those dire models and predictions ie: to save the world. Now this is speculation only on my part but something tells me that this program is being run not as a sort of last straw or last ditch effort and as an experiment, in the mere hops that it might work to stave off the effects of Global warming, but something being done with the blessing and under the observation of ET's, who gave the nod to the governments of the world that such a thing would be required and that, over the course of the next century we could "retool" our civilization as we enter the technological age for real. That's just my take on it, on the chemtrail phenomenon, because of it's absolutely purposeful and unrelenting nature.

Well done to point this out and thanks for the opportunity to share my story and take on it. S&F!

Best Regards,

NAM

Korg Trinity

At time 2:55 in video, Chem-trails from space. Lots of good pics and info in that video!

Rezlooper

I think it's ignorant to deny the existence of chemtrails

Why do you think that it is ignorant to say there's not a single piece of verifiable evidence showing that they exist?

You certainly have the right to say it - but that doesn't make it reasonable let alone true.

IMO it is more ignorant to say that contrails cannot last more than a few minutes - - this is repeatedly disproved by science and history.

It is also ignorant to allege that "it is sold to pilots...." when there is not a single piece of verifiable evidence that "it" exists.

It is ignorant to say that aluminium ,barium strontium, etc in soil samples "must have come from [those white lines in the sky], etc" when those elements are actually part of normal soil and dust that blows in the wind, and you have not shown that you have excluded all other possible sources.

IMO every piece of evidence showing "chemtrails exist" is more ignorant than saying that chemtrails don't exist - because (so far) every piece of evidence saying they exist has been shown to be bunk!

Aloysius the Gaul

Rezlooper

I think it's ignorant to deny the existence of chemtrails

Why do you think that it is ignorant to say there's not a single piece of verifiable evidence showing that they exist?

You certainly have the right to say it - but that doesn't make it reasonable let alone true.

IMO it is more ignorant to say that contrails cannot last more than a few minutes - - this is repeatedly disproved by science and history.

It is also ignorant to allege that "it is sold to pilots...." when there is not a single piece of verifiable evidence that "it" exists.

It is ignorant to say that aluminium ,barium strontium, etc in soil samples "must have come from [those white lines in the sky], etc" when those elements are actually part of normal soil and dust that blows in the wind, and you have not shown that you have excluded all other possible sources.

IMO every piece of evidence showing "chemtrails exist" is more ignorant than saying that chemtrails don't exist - because (so far) every piece of evidence saying they exist has been shown to be bunk!

There isn't any evidence that proves they don't exist. Simply being told they don't exist, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Korg Trinity

Aloysius the Gaul

But that is not the same as needing to conduct the activity in order to propose regulations about it, which was your original point - so it seems you are changing the subject??

Not at all... I highlighted relevant sections of a paper written a number of years ago by an organisation one should take note of...

The Royal society?

it says that ther should be governance - ie regulation - of geoengineering - nothing about it actually happening - so sorry - no idea what you think you've posted that covers this.

also - got any actual evidence of actual field testing?

Global warming seems to have halted in it's tracks....

Apparently not

The massive increase in chemtrails.....

There's been no increase.

Look up once in a while maybe??

do it a lot - sometimes see contrails. Am an aircraft mechanic and quality assurance engineer - I can also look into aeroplanes that are supposedly causing this myth and see that it is nonsense.

so after all that no - you have no actual evidence of any field tests - just the usual baseless assertions we see all the time from chemise.

The only field test I know of was SPICE - which was cancelled before it happened - see www.abovetopsecret.com...

A weather balloon that was cancelled supposedly due to a breach of confidentiality... a patent....

no it was not cancelled due to a "breach in confidentiality. Yes there was a patent involved - and the belief that the experiment should be patent free was part of the problem, but only one part and "confidentiality" had nothing to do with it - if there is a patent the contents will be public knowledge by definition!

And if you think that was a weather balloon on top of not understanding what you were reading I think we can safely discount you as someone who has the slightest bit of real knowledge about the topic.

Hardly a serious field test now... surely a pipet in an ocean??

Really - an actual field test to see if the technology might work is not serious, and somehow you think that "look up some time" is a suitable answer?

the chemtrail hoax religion just gets weirder and weirder!

Zaphod58
reply to post by applesthateatpeople

 

You're right, we need to start mass arrests now of people who fly. There were only 643 million people that flew in the US in 2011, so let's get right on it. That'll put a stop to those pesky contrails.

Or maybe we can go back to how it was in the 40s and 50s, and only the 1% can afford to fly, screw everyone else.

Funny, considering there aren't that many people in the US.

And, the fact remains: people who fly are trusting their LIVES to a corporation.

Seems pretty stupid to me.

reply to post by defcon5


I agree.

And it does seem pretty hopeless.

We consumers get our fast-and-easy way of life with no concern for the consequences.

reply to post by Korg Trinity

Humans ability to adapt and respond to changing circumstances is great.... but won't matter, as all the wildlife on the planet do not have those same abilities. We won't last longer than the animal die offs on land and in the sea, no matter how clever we are...... we are dependent on our environment. Killing off our environment in order to make room for our ever increasing population and its demands for products (and damn you, Apple and other smart phone companies, for trying to make it seem crucial to have This Latest Model and get rid of the only slightly older one.... ), products that will soon be obsolete By Design. We are Sprinting Down a Dead End... in the Wrong Direction!

reply to post by applesthateatpeople


And if that corporation isn't safe do you think they'd still be around?

Do you ride in a vehicle? Live in a house? You're trusting your life to a corporation if you do. So what's the difference?

Korg Trinity

Aloysius the Gaul

Poison the well much?

Stating that contrails cannot last longer than a few minutes defies almost 100 years of known contrail characteristics (the first persistent contrails were reported before eth end of WW1!)

Pointing out that the supposed evidence does nothing to show that these trails are anything othe than contrails is just pointing out the truth.

resorting to baseless assertions, poisoning the well and personal attacks as you have just done is the resort of people who know they do not actually have any real evidence.

No you totally misunderstand me.

I have not ever throughout this thread stated that contrails cannot at some times look exactly the same as chemtrails..

What I stated is that Chemtrails exist where contrails could not exist.

and as for poisoning the well.... if there are fools who would drink the water before testing it... let them die!

Korg.

You've yet to show why contrails can't exist in those locations. Look at those papers on ISSRs again.