Join Me

Originally posted by TheGoldenSun
The collective knowledge starts at 0. But as we concentrate our effort it increases.

Hence my analogy.... If you have 2 empty cookie jars, how many cookies do you have?

If you know nothing, then it is totally impossible to learn more. You need to have some sort of a basis on which to start, much like Jesus' story of the houses on sand and rock. If you have no basis, or build on the empty, fragile sand, then sometime the house will fall, and you must start over. However, you have at least a minimal basis, or build on the good foundation of the rock, then you will be able to keep your house and increase as effort grows.
Therefore, this BS about knowing nothing goes out the window. I find the fact that you wish to learn very intriuging(sp?) as well as a benefit for the world, but the fact that if you have a bunch of empty-headed people, there will be nothing for you to learn. They will have little expirience in the world, and you will try to learn from them. Your own house of knowlege, which seems to be very large and built on the rock, will crumble as you try to build a second house on the sand.

Signing off,
HLW

seriously though, its an analogy, you don't really understand what I'm trying to say....

Back to the cookie analogy

If you have 20 cookies how many cookie jars to you have. The idea is that You admit that you have no knowledge of More important truths you amass information while leaving your preconceptions of the truth Behind. Allowing you to see real truths with the knowledge you gathered. The idea is that you become more open-minded by admitting you know nothing you open your self open for knew Ideas.

This just reminds me of this old song...
Nothing from Nothing
Billy Preston

(Written by Billy Preston and Bruce Fisher)

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin'
If you wanna be with me
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin'
If you wanna be with me

You can't start with a blank slate when you want to consider ideas. Even if you tried there would be subconscious preconceptions that you would hold that would limit your thoughts. And even if you mitigated for them the results you would attain may have no basis in reality at all as they havn't been tested in the real world.

So if from your navel gazing you come to the conclusion that indeed the world is controlled by tenticaled monsters from Alpha centuri, then not only would that have no basis in reality but there would be no way to test the hypothesis you are proposing because you are rejecting what is 'real".

So in the end you are better off smoking some dope and just chilling out. Because the truths you would find in a joint or a tab are just as valid as the truths you would discover in a "group"

hopeless....

Question:
How many followers do you have now?

Originally posted by TheGoldenSun
seriously though, its an analogy, you don't really understand what I'm trying to say....

Then please enlighten me on what you mean. What you have said so far is that a) people are stupid(truth) b) learning is good(truth) and c) you need to know nothing to enter so we can learn from you and others like you(this is where you lose me).

Think about what you have and will be saying, then tell me what you mean in a logical manner. Then you might get me.

Signing off,
HLW

I don't have any followers, just friends who want to know the truth.

The whole analogy I presented is just a hypothetical term.

In blunt terms, What I am doing is, gathering a network of people around the world, we share ideas, do whats in our power to test a hypothesis, ask questions and build a resevoir of knowledge from all of this.

Someday whether it is tomarrow or next year or whenever, when something BIG happens and people are forced into a situation where only the strong survive and such, we will band together and do what it takes to make things move forward.

If things don't go the way of the BIG thing, but over time head towards the NWO takeover and total control scenario, we will band together, and become a prominent force.

I know these things take time, and I'm prepared for that, I truely wish for a world where we can live in balance with the planet, not drive it into extinction.

Theres a magnet on my apartment fridge, was there before I moved in, it says :

5% of the worlds population consumes 1/3 of its resources and 1/2 of its waste. That 5% is US.

That magnet really makes me sad, staring at it for a while one night was one of the chief things that gave me the idea of Veritas.

I kid you not friends, I just want to make a change....for the better.

Quote///Golden.......I kid you not friends, I just want to make a change....for the better.


And so do 1 million others!!!
What makes you any different???

because im making an active effort to it !

And what 'exactly' is it that ''you'' want to achieve???

Why do you think that '''you'' are to bring out this ''join me'' is any different to what others did in the past???

(Not going to name any names)

Well good on you!
Who am I to critisize the man in the arena willing to fight for what he believes in.
Go for it, I won't discorouge you any longer

(anyone know that great prose about the man in the arena being the one who is doing the work and that others just crisize)

Originally posted by TheGoldenSun
because im making an active effort to it !

Thank you...Tis a long battle, but you have a chance if you are actually fighting and not betting on who is going to win.

www.theodore-roosevelt.com...

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face in marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.