Does Islam give Women Muslim Women and or Women in general the right to own Property/Businesses/Weal

Hello my question is Does Islam give Women Muslim Women and or Women in general the right to own Property/Businesses/Wealth as many Muslim Apologists claim or are they not telling the whole context also do Women get Equal Inheritance in Islam to own Property ? Are Muslim Women really Equal or have Equal Rights and Freedom as some Muslim Apologists claim thank you for you're time ?

Some Muslim scholars agree that Mohammed did proclaim some rights for Muslim women. also decreed that women could own and inherit property.

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Islam teaches that men and women are equal before God. It grants women divinely sanctioned inheritance, property, social and marriage rights, including the right to reject the terms of a proposal and to initiate divorce.

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Much is made of the (technically true) fact that women in Islam are granted the rights to own property and receive inheritance, primarily. Indeed, in the light of the way in which women were treated in pre-Islamic Arabia, the granting of the rights to own property and to inherit from a dead relative is a step forward, considering women were denied even these in the pre-Islamic tribal system.
However, it should be noted that the Muslim women who seek to promote Islam as a tolerant and progressive force for women’s rights often draw less than honest conclusions from the simple quranic affirmation of property rights.
This has not, of course, impeded the proliferation of websites, pamphlets, and other venues purporting to show that women are equal with men in Islam, and that Islam elevates the fairer sex. Designed to appeal to the Western mind which operates under the paradigm of equal rights for all, these

This bears out explicitly in the Qur'an,
"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property for the support of women. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great." (Surah 4:34, Pickthal translation)
According to the Qur'an, men are literally to rule over women, both because of a supposed natural superiority and because men spend their resources supporting women. This passage really makes a woman into property which belongs to a man, and which exists for his use, since he has to pay upkeep.

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According to the Qur'an, men are literally to rule over women, both because of a supposed natural superiority and because men spend their resources supporting women. This passage really makes a woman into property which belongs to a man, and which exists for his use, since he has to pay upkeep.

It's the same way in the bible why do you leave that out? As far as what women are allowed to do depends on the political slant of the nation they are in. Nations like Iran give women more rights than a nation like Saudi Arabia. This is why religion and politics don't mix. Something I don't understand if Islam is so anti women then why are so many women converting? Women are converting at a 4 to 1 ratio.

Energy is energy, both women and men are infused with it. To even begin to segregate energy is, to my way of thinking, a fools game. The roles we play out here, in this physical existence are bound by laws we pay little or no attention to. Religion has tried and continues to try to place women in subservient roles when clearly, they are, in every way, equal to men! No, they are not the same but make no mistake...They are equal to any task that may be bestowed upon any man! Women will simply take a different approach.

buster2010

According to the Qur'an, men are literally to rule over women, both because of a supposed natural superiority and because men spend their resources supporting women. This passage really makes a woman into property which belongs to a man, and which exists for his use, since he has to pay upkeep.

It's the same way in the bible why do you leave that out? As far as what women are allowed to do depends on the political slant of the nation they are in. Nations like Iran give women more rights than a nation like Saudi Arabia. This is why religion and politics don't mix. Something I don't understand if Islam is so anti women then why are so many women converting? Women are converting at a 4 to 1 ratio.

"It's the same way in the bible why do you leave that out? " your right here u go :

" So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself."

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Something I don't understand if Islam is so anti women then why are so many women converting? Women are converting at a 4 to 1 ratio.

Maybe those women learnt the truth that godless secular society is white washed to look like it upholds "equal rights" and "womens rights", but in reality has objectified and degraded women in the media as sex symbols... to the point that it has become acceptable as normal. This is why even conservative Christians who express their opinions on things like Miley Cyrus' behavious as degrading are silenced and dismissed as religious loons.

Secular society proclaims "equal rights" outwardly, but in reality, have reduced women to meat in the market. Which is why promiscuous women are labelled "sluts", while promiscuous men are "studs".

Ok, that was slightly tangential to the topic, but it still has to do with women. :-)

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There is without a doubt no more of a knowledgeable author on the subject than Robert Spencer at Jihadwatch.org I've been reading news about the muslim world for many years.

You see there are 2 muslim worlds (but tons of factions inbetween). Different laws and customs exist in the different worlds. The primary muslim world is anywhere where sharia or muslim law is dictated on the public. The rights of women are much harsher and stricter. Husbands can kill their daughters or wife if they feel they are disgracing their family, its called honor killings. Many girls have been killed in this fashion and the media turns a blind eye towards it in the West. Many honor killings have happened in the USA and Western Nations but the perps usually fly out of the country before being arrested. In this World, men can rape women and nothing happens unless there are 3 witnesses. How often are there the 3 witnesses? It's rare.

The second world is the unconquered world. Here is where the women pretend that true Islam is all free loving and full of rights and tons of other lies. This is considered OKAY temporarily in order to get enough converts to eventually turn the land into a REAL muslim land with the TRUE discrimination on women and non Muslims and the total control of every way of life.

at spiritlessons.com there are stories of people who have been taken to see heaven and hell and they have seen their prophet (false prophet M) who is being tormented in eternity with such severity. He tells the people on the field trip, "tell all the followers to turn to Christ, he is the only one that can save." He lays in a coffin with holes in it and demons take these spears that are glowing red hot and they stab him through the holes and he screams with such severity, like no pain on earth. He says he just wanted to be like Jesus and have people follow him and such, he tells the people visiting to go warn all the people in this cult that they are heading towards hell too if they don't repent and turn to Christ.

In France there are over 800 sharia zones where the French police dare not go. These sharia zones are under sharia law. Demographically you can't even refer to Europe as Europe anymore. The Scientifically and demographically correct term would be Eurabia and I'm not making this up.

You see the Muslims have 10 times more kids than the close to extinct "native europeans"

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Well, it doesn't really matter, it's still an absolutely load of crap.

Islam, with it's god fearing morals, treats women brilliantly, while the godless west with its barbaric immoral satanistic ritualrs wants to rape and ogle women.... thats pretty much what you said.

Absolute crap.

Typical religious garbage at its best though.

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.... thats pretty much what you said.

What I said is right there, time stamped and on record.

I don't blame the way you perceived it. Because your belief system is, after all, a product of the same secular society that I was talking about in my previous post.

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Something I don't understand if Islam is so anti women then why are so many women converting? Women are converting at a 4 to 1 ratio.

There are a couple of perfectly reasonable explanations for that, but I doubt you or any woman would like it.

1. If the woman is in a relationship with a muslim.

"The true Muslim woman is always keen to win her husband's love and to please him. Nothing should spoil his happiness or enjoyment of life," says the Sisters' section of Muslimconverts.com. The website also has a section on how the Taliban upheld certain rights of women that are "non-existent in the West".

Saskia converted to Islam 15 years ago during her first year at university. "I did so because I married a Muslim. I can't imagine why women would do it for other reasons."

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2. It's somewhat easier living in a sense...to just put on a burka or whatever and devote your life to just being a "loving wife". No grand responsibilities or difficulties. Males are expected to carry you...provide for you. So in essence, you are sort of liberated from most of the difficulties of life that many women in the west have. It reminds me of Christian women that suddenly decide to become nuns and live in a monastery.

While it might look like a spiritual thing to do...it also liberates you from everything the rest of us have to do to survive on this planet. Once you become a nun or a woman that converts to Islam...you are essentially choosing the easier way of life. No responsibilities in a grander sense. No real work (the church provides, or the husband provides).

More independence is expected of western women. More work, more responsibilities, more involvement. In Islam...nothing big is expected of you, but to be a "loving wife to your husband"...it's an easier living if you don't care much about gender equality.

Whether we admit to it or not...not all women want to be equal. There is a healthy population of women who simply want to be subjugated and ruled over. It's millenia of patriarchal upbringing. It's a program. Not everyone can break free.

BobAthome

buster2010

According to the Qur'an, men are literally to rule over women, both because of a supposed natural superiority and because men spend their resources supporting women. This passage really makes a woman into property which belongs to a man, and which exists for his use, since he has to pay upkeep.

It's the same way in the bible why do you leave that out? As far as what women are allowed to do depends on the political slant of the nation they are in. Nations like Iran give women more rights than a nation like Saudi Arabia. This is why religion and politics don't mix. Something I don't understand if Islam is so anti women then why are so many women converting? Women are converting at a 4 to 1 ratio.

"It's the same way in the bible why do you leave that out? " your right here u go :

" So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself."

Let's see some other choice quotes.

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)
Looks like the bible thinks women should pray to men. When they are allowed to speak that is.

sk0rpi0n
Secular society proclaims "equal rights" outwardly, but in reality, have reduced women to meat in the market.

Wrong. Secular society proclaims 'equal rights' and that is exactly what it provides. Unlike Islamic societies that restrict women from driving or even leaving the house without a male family member babysitting. Women can't even get an education .... little girls shot in the head for wanting to read ... Iran now doesn't allow women to get higher education for fear that the woman won't want to get married to men who are dumber than they are.

And women aren't 'reduced to meat in the market' in secular society. SOME WOMEN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES to be promiscuous .. and that is their right.

Secular society = good for women. Islamic society = destructive to women.

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So you are saying that all women who convert to Islam are lazy deadbeats who want someone to take care of them. What a ignorant sexist statement.

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And women aren't 'reduced to meat in the market' in secular society. SOME WOMEN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES to be promiscuous .. and that is their right.

My point exactly. They decided to be promiscuous because secular society made it possible for them to choose between being a good wife OR living and dressing like a whore. A Christian government would not have allowed such a thing as a "right".

FlyersFan

sk0rpi0n
Secular society proclaims "equal rights" outwardly, but in reality, have reduced women to meat in the market.

Wrong. Secular society proclaims 'equal rights' and that is exactly what it provides. Unlike Islamic societies that restrict women from driving or even leaving the house without a male family member babysitting. Women can't even get an education .... little girls shot in the head for wanting to read ... Iran now doesn't allow women to get higher education for fear that the woman won't want to get married to men who are dumber than they are.

And women aren't 'reduced to meat in the market' in secular society. SOME WOMEN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES to be promiscuous .. and that is their right.

Secular society = good for women. Islamic society = destructive to women.

This has to do with the political slant of the nation not the religion. Was Islam at fault when women couldn't vote or drive in American? And you really need to stop the statements that are easily proven wrong.

Education in Iran

Women make up more than 65 percent of Iranian university students with some fields in science and engineering having more than 70 percent of their alumni be women. The opportunities for women education and their involvement in higher education has grown exponentially after the Iranian Revolution. According to UNESCO world survey, Iran has the highest female to male ratio at primary level of enrollment in the world among sovereign nations, with a girl to boy ratio of 1.22 : 1.00.

buster2010
This has to do with the political slant of the nation not the religion.

BASED ON RELIGION.

Was Islam at fault when women couldn't vote or drive in American?

No .. the reigning CHRISTIAN beliefs were at fault.
Another example of why gender-blind secular rule of law is the best way to do things.

And you really need to stop the statements that are easily proven wrong.

What I post is true. Something that just continually sticks in your craw .. it's funny.

Education in Iran

You really should learn to stop the statements that are easily proven wrong ....

Iran Bans Women From 77 College Majors

Iran, apparently frightened over its female citizens’ growing independence, will begin restricting women’s access to a wide range of educational opportunities. Although Iran was one of the first nations in the Middle East to permit women to study at universities, the BBC reports that over 30 universities have agreed to ban women from about 80 different degrees such as engineering, business, nuclear physics, and computer science (you know, the ones that can potentially steer women toward power and financial freedom). While the government has not released any official reason for this change, Iranian Nobel Peace Laureate Shirin Ebadi told the BBC that the restrictions have to do with the government’s aim to “restrict women’s access to education, to stop them being active in society, and to return them to the home.”

Al Jazeera -

Thirty-six universities across Iran have banned women from 77 different majors, including accounting, counselling, and engineering, for the school year that begins on Saturday, Iran's Mehr news agency reported in August.

There was no official reason given for the move, but Iranian officials have expressed alarm in recent months about the country's declining birth and marriage rates, seen as partially caused by women's rising educational attainment in the last two decades.

Restricting women from getting an education ... and steering them to 'have to' get married to service men and have children ... THAT is reducing women to being pieces of meat. Secular society giving women the choice to do as she pleases is NOT reducing women to being pieces of meat.

sk0rpi0n
They decided to be promiscuous because secular society made it possible for them to choose between being a good wife OR living and dressing like a whore.

Need some bandaids for your knuckles??

You are pushing your silly religious rhetoric on others. In secular society If a woman wants to get married .. she can. If she wants to be single and have fun ... she can. Unlike Islamic society that forces women to get married and service men .. and forces them to have children ... women in Secular society have he choices to decide their own lives.

A Christian government would not have allowed such a thing as a "right".

A fundamentalist Christian government would be just as bad as a Muslim government.
It would curb freedoms and rights. It would dumb people down and be a disaster.

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If she wants to be single and have fun ... she can.

I don't seem to think its working out too well.

27 Facts That Prove That The Family In America Is In The Worst Shape Ever

The Decline of Marriage And Rise of New Families

There's plenty more. But I guess, the rights of a woman to go out there and have fun comes first, eh?

A fundamentalist Christian government would be just as bad as a Muslim government. It would curb freedoms and rights. It would dumb people down and be a disaster.

I wonder if women living under Jesus' government would have the right to choose whether they get married or stay single and having fun.

sk0rpi0n
I don't seem to think its working out too well.

I don't seem to think Islam running things works out too well ...
But it's better to force an absurd religion upon people .. right? pfffft

Abuse against Women and Children Swell in Saudi Arabia
A Study of Saudi Women - WIfe Abuse - A Hidden Problem
Saudis in Denial Over Scope of Violence Against Women and Children

Saudi Gazette - Domestic violence: Saudi women have had enough

One major challenge that is still not effectively addressed in Saudi society is the lack of public understanding of the Shariah. Many men who are the main perpetrators of violence against women and children believe that they have every right to resort to violent disciplinary beatings, and that they should not be held accountable for doing so. As long as violent behavior is not criminalized, we will never stop the problem of family violence in Saudi Arabia. There is a dire need to correct the misunderstandings of Shariah in Saudi society.

Some extremist religious scholars claim that the Shariah allows light physical violence against wives and children as a disciplinary measure. The definition of what is allowed and what is not remains vague and continues to encourage perpetrators to indulge in physical abuse of family members.

The lack of a strong fatwa that forbids any act of violence against women and children by their so-called guardians is the reason behind the prevalence of domestic violence in Saudi society.

And that's just Saudi Arabia. Let's check in on Iran ... shall we??
Iran .. that just cut off the ability of women to get a decent college education
and that sicks the 'morals police' on any woman who dares to wear a freak'n pair of sandals.

Violence Against Women in Iran
Abuse of Women in Iran - 66% abused at home
Irans Brutality Towards Women Should Shock the West
Systemic Abuse of Women in Iran

Did you read any of that Skorpion?? No. Didn't think you would.
Give me a secular free society any time.
Women can choose what they wish to do.
Superstitions and controlling misogynistic men aren't pushing a silly religion on others.
MUCH MUCH BETTER ...

buster2010
And you really need to stop the statements that are easily proven wrong.

Since I have proven your statement wrong ... aren't you going to come back, man up,
and admit that you are wrong? Let's see it.

Heres the information again ... just to be sure it sinks in ....
Iran Bans Women From 77 College Majors
Al Jazeera -

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Rape Victim in Saudi Arabia Sentenced to 200 Lashes and 6 months in Jail
Yeah ... Islam is just lovely .... MUCH better than the freedom women in the west have, the freedom to get an education, the freedom to drive, the freedom NOT to be subjected to 200 lashes and a jail sentence because they dared to be raped. It's soooo much better. (SARCASM)