U.S. pilot scares off Iranians with ‘Top Gun’-worthy stunt

reply to post by Battleline


Yeah it didn't work so well that the Luftwaffe just retired their last squadron of them and a number of countries still use them.

Zaphod58
reply to post by neformore

 

You think they weren't aware that F-22s were flying out of bases in the area?

But you're right, the F-22 pilot was just showing off. The fact that if he had waited there was a good chance we would have lost the asset he was escorting doesn't matter. The fact that warning them off actually kept an incident from happening is irrelevant. All that matters is he got to show off.

I agree totally, but lets be honest, dude was showing off.....and he, as well as we, enjoyed every moment of it.

Hell if it was you, or me, or just about anyone, you would have a giant smile on your face pulling up next to them.

I might have even tried the inverted merge on their cockpit just to illustrate the point.

God, the F-22 is every pilots dream come true.......it IS the Cadillac of aircraft in every aspect!

intrptr
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

So the defenseless drone was being protected by a raptor that the F4 pilot never saw.

What the Raptor pilot, AWACS and dumb drone didn't know was a Russian PAK FA was protecting the F4 and nobody knew he was there at all.

The future of Stealth on all sides is here.

LOL....Bwahahahaha.....Awahahahahahahaha...ha...ahaha...haha..........Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. awahahahahahahahahaha............ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!


Ok I got it under control now, breathing , breathing......................Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah.......Awahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahah!!!!!!!!!


I think that pretty much sums your statement up, sorry but, we are on 4th gen stealth( that we admit to), Russia doesn't even have 1st gen stealth.

It's one not-too-subtle way to let Iran know that F-22s are stationed and operating in the region. Probably at that brand new fancy airbase in Saudi Arabia that was built a few years back.

MDDoxs
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

Is it odd that I am humming the Top Gun tune while reading this verbal dog fight?

-Launching counter argument missiles

-Deploying fallacious position counter measures

-illogical supposition called out... EJECT EJECT.

Best post of the thread right here!!!!

Wish I could donate my stars to give you more, I guess ironic humor IS becoming a lost art form though.......

reply to post by pauljs75


They've been there for at least a year, and a lot closer than that.

intrptr
reply to post by Arnie123

 

funny how you resort to attacks

I'm not attacking you. It was a request.

Your response is called an "insult".

Gotta go...

See ya, don't let the door hit ya in the arse on the way out. Come back soon, not.

America rules....

The Bot

reply to post by Zaphod58


Country's may still use F4's, that doesn't mean they were a dependable plane in Vietnam or now for that matter.

"Given enough power even a brick can fly" ring any bells?

reply to post by Battleline


Yes, and the difference between then and now is staggering. Most F-4 units had over a 90% mission capable rate. Do you REALLY think that if they were that bad then militaries the world over would pass up the chance to replace them and keep flying them?

reply to post by Zaphod58


I'm talking about the Vietnam era, I never imagined they would still be flying having been born in the 50's. no doubt if someone is still flying those "bricks" then they have updated them rather then buy more updated planes.

Chill out slick......am I supposed to say "all hail ZAPHOD " or something, what did I miss here, why all the defensive anger.

This thread started out as humorous and all of a sudden some of us are in this battle with a aviation geek, reading your post's might have been interesting if you weren't so "RUDE".

DONE !!

reply to post by Battleline


Wow, if you consider that rude, I guess I better really tone it down when I do try to be rude. I forgot how sensitive people are now and that I have to worry about feelings when I all I do is ask a question. I guess from now on I'll make sure to coddle people and pat them on the head instead of asking questions.

reply to post by oblvion


Just because they can't see it on radar beyong visual range doesn't mean they can't see it within visual range.

Just because its stealthy, doesn't mean it can't be shot down by heat seekers, or guns.

Just because the pilot and plane is American, doesn't mean that its some kind of god.

Arrogance and assumed superiority gets people killed.

And seriously...who said anything about them engaging the F22? They could have reacted by taking down the predator, forcing the issue, and the moment a manned Iranian plane gets taken out by the USAF in retaliation for that is the moment all bets are off in the Gulf, because all the Iranians have to do is sink a couple of supertankers and the whole world gets affected.

So please, spare me the jingoism and think the whole scenario through instead of the "top gun" rubbish because there is a bigger picture here.

Its a "nice" propaganda story for the USAF, but thats all it is. There could have been real world consequences.

reply to post by Battleline


If you're going to use the argument of bricks, at least don't be biased when you do it. We still have B-52's that are active and took to the skies a fair deal earlier than the F-4's. There are even talks to keep the B-52's in flight for a considerable time longer still. Do not factor age into this, it has no merit.

reply to post by neformore


So again, what, we should just let anyone interfere with our operations any time they want to, and damn the consequences of that? We don't have the right to protect our equipment when it's not doing anything to bother Iran?

Where was the outrage over the RAF pilots penetrating Turkish airspace over Crete and almost causing an incident? That could have had real world consequences just as much as this could have.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Where's the outrage over Russian bombers, or Chinese aircraft actually penetrating other nations airspace? Those could have real consequences too.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


How about this one? Two Su-27s chasing a U-2 near Taiwan.
www.abovetopsecret.com...=

neformore
reply to post by oblvion

 

Just because they can't see it on radar beyong visual range doesn't mean they can't see it within visual range.

Just because its stealthy, doesn't mean it can't be shot down by heat seekers, or guns.

Just because the pilot and plane is American, doesn't mean that its some kind of god.

Arrogance and assumed superiority gets people killed.

And seriously...who said anything about them engaging the F22? They could have reacted by taking down the predator, forcing the issue, and the moment a manned Iranian plane gets taken out by the USAF in retaliation for that is the moment all bets are off in the Gulf, because all the Iranians have to do is sink a couple of supertankers and the whole world gets affected.

So please, spare me the jingoism and think the whole scenario through instead of the "top gun" rubbish because there is a bigger picture here.

Its a "nice" propaganda story for the USAF, but thats all it is. There could have been real world consequences.

You are even funnier than the other iranian guy, lol you don't understand, if they had even spun up to try and take it out they would have both been been toast, extra crispy lol. That was and is the whole point. Fact is wish he had, nothing Iran could or would do about it. Would just been two less rust buckets we would have two shoot down later.

Honestly one place where women have no rights, people are not free, have no liberty, I am surprised the people have not risen up and done something about it.

Iran should put their religious leaders in their place, the mosque, and try and become part of the real world again. People always ragging on America but I can say what I want, do what I want, worship who I want, or not, and women have the same rights as men. The Gov't does not own everything or run my life. Is it perfect, no, but sure better than any place else.

The Bot

neformore
reply to post by oblvion

 

Just because they can't see it on radar beyong visual range doesn't mean they can't see it within visual range.

Just because its stealthy, doesn't mean it can't be shot down by heat seekers, or guns.

Just because the pilot and plane is American, doesn't mean that its some kind of god.

Arrogance and assumed superiority gets people killed.

And seriously...who said anything about them engaging the F22? They could have reacted by taking down the predator, forcing the issue, and the moment a manned Iranian plane gets taken out by the USAF in retaliation for that is the moment all bets are off in the Gulf, because all the Iranians have to do is sink a couple of supertankers and the whole world gets affected.

So please, spare me the jingoism and think the whole scenario through instead of the "top gun" rubbish because there is a bigger picture here.

Its a "nice" propaganda story for the USAF, but thats all it is. There could have been real world consequences.

Stealth is the least of the F-22's amazing abilities, compared to anything else from any country on earth it is a GOD in the skies.

The plane with the best operational combat record of all time is the F-15 (something like 250 kills to 0..thats ZERO losses, hell the Israeli airforce even flew one home after the entire right wing was blown off, and safely landed it.), in testing, the F-22 took on four and more of them at once alone and won, and they never even knew who killed them.

F-4's.......they just don't even have a chance. Hell even f-15's and F-16's don't have a chance against this beast.

I am just being honest in its abilities, thrust vectoring, super cruise...hell it can do much more than the pilots can take and remain conscious, it is the very limit of human piloted flight, we are just too fragile.

There is a reason they say it is the last human piloted air superiority fighter, a better one cannot be made, as the fragile humans that fly them cant even push it to its limits, it pushes us to ours, and beyond if the pilots are not careful.

Weak and pathetic humans can only pull sooo many G's before they succumb, this plane can kill a pilot and the airframe would not even notice until there was no one at the stick.

Shugo
reply to post by Battleline

 

If you're going to use the argument of bricks, at least don't be biased when you do it. We still have B-52's that are active and took to the skies a fair deal earlier than the F-4's. There are even talks to keep the B-52's in flight for a considerable time longer still. Do not factor age into this, it has no merit.

Don't forget the most amazing airplane ever made, that is almost 70, the SR-71 BlackBird, it is still to this very day the most impressive airplane ever to fly, hell it even violates the laws of thermodynamics.

It actually gets better fuel economy the faster you fly it, which is counter to everything we know about speed vs fuel usage.

The engineers have never been able to explain it, and still to this day cannot reproduce the effect in any other airframe.

But yes, the BUFF, short for Big Ugly Fat Fu!@ is just a beast of a machine, kinda like the Ma Duce M2 .50 cal, it was made the right way the first time, long ago.

Zaphod58
reply to post by neformore

 

So again, what, we should just let anyone interfere with our operations any time they want to, and damn the consequences of that?

And yet again, where did I say that?

reply to post by neformore


But you said letting the F-4s know that the F-22 was there could lead to an incident. Not letting them know the F-22s were there could have led to an incident with the Predator being shot down. So what were they supposed to do?

Again, the intercept was performed exactly as written by every air force in the world, so why is this one "hot dogging"?

oblvion

Shugo
reply to post by Battleline

 

If you're going to use the argument of bricks, at least don't be biased when you do it. We still have B-52's that are active and took to the skies a fair deal earlier than the F-4's. There are even talks to keep the B-52's in flight for a considerable time longer still. Do not factor age into this, it has no merit.

Don't forget the most amazing airplane ever made, that is almost 70, the SR-71 BlackBird, it is still to this very day the most impressive airplane ever to fly, hell it even violates the laws of thermodynamics.

It actually gets better fuel economy the faster you fly it, which is counter to everything we know about speed vs fuel usage.

The engineers have never been able to explain it, and still to this day cannot reproduce the effect in any other airframe.

But yes, the BUFF, short for Big Ugly Fat Fu!@ is just a beast of a machine, kinda like the Ma Duce M2 .50 cal, it was made the right way the first time, long ago.

It does get better fuel economy the faster its flown but it was designed that way and it doesnt violate the laws of thermodynamics. to keep the aircraft cool a wick effect was used heat was released by venting fuel. The Fuel for the SR71 is very unique it ran the hydraulics supplied power to the engines and used to reduce heat. The fuel was the key to the SR71 not the aircraft.The SR 71 was an amazing design however your correct. As far as the F4 sturdy air frame easily upgraded and proven effective in air combat why wouldnt they be used? Of course there no match for the raptor but they then again even f4 pilots can shoot one down. Because ultimately the aircraft is only part of the equation there is also the pilot.

See even the f22 has vulnerabilities the germans discovered this during a red flag exercize. F22 is a long range beast it excels and long range combat but the germans learned they can win in air combat by as they said get in close and stick with them. Im sure the defense department freaked out when typhoons started getting kills on the raptors.