Chinese Sky Spiral 1981

JimOberg

applesthateatpeople

boncho
When the first "spiral" came out, and afterwards after reading copious amounts of material explaining the missile explanation, as well as documented failed launches that looked nearly identical, I am pretty level with the "official" story.

Could you provide some photos of these documented failed launches?

I've never seen any failed launch that resembled the Norway Spiral.

Thanks.

Please read proposed explanations more carefully before snapping your mind shut against any prosaic suggestion while fully opening it to wilder speculations beyond the range of rational proof. For example, the claim that a spiral painted on a cave wall is any indication it was seen in the sky is the wildest supposition.

The request for earlier drawings and reports is fair. Please stand by.

The Bulava launch in December 2009 was officially said to have 'failed' during final warhead deploy but there's no evidence the spiral was a manifestation of that failure. Yes, there was some media jump-to-conclusions of that nature, but we all know how to trust quick-response press reports. To the contrary, the spiral phenomenon has appeared as a standard feature of successful launches as well. for reasons I discussed above -- did you read them?

I didn't "snap [my] mind shut" about anything. I seriously wanted to see the photos.

The cave spiral drawing connections were ridiculous to me as well.

When Phage said "yes, spirals resemble...spirals" I laughed for hours. Great comment.

Boncho pointed me in the right direction.

I read your other posts.

I have always known the Norway spiral was a failed launch, I just wanted to see photos of other launches that looked similar.

Sorry, if I confused you. My original post did seem sarcastic, so I apologize.

boncho

applesthateatpeople

boncho
When the first "spiral" came out, and afterwards after reading copious amounts of material explaining the missile explanation, as well as documented failed launches that looked nearly identical, I am pretty level with the "official" story.

Could you provide some photos of these documented failed launches?

I've never seen any failed launch that resembled the Norway Spiral.

Thanks.

Link

There used to be plenty but many are simply labelled, "omg ufo?" or something of the like now on youtube, and it's tough finding the originals.

There was plenty of documented ones right around the time the Norway one caught traction though...

Thank you very much.

I see what you mean by the "omg ufo" thing. That's probably why I had so much trouble finding them.

applesthateatpeople
Sorry, if I confused you. My original post did seem sarcastic, so I apologize.

No problem. I'm traveling now but will try to hook up some links to drawings of the 1984 Minsk airliner case, and another Chinese case. More to come. Also, the 1963 South Atlantic multiple shipboard witnesses case from Corliss's book, that was a spiral dump from a Centaur stage. No videos from that era, sorry, but good detailed drawings.

ADD links

1984 ‘Minsk airliner’ pilot’s sketches
www.nbcnews.com...

Eastern US 1986 spiral
www.csicop.org...

Also
www.nbcnews.com...

A number of stories but few original images…
www.jamesoberg.com...
and
www.jamesoberg.com...

reply to post by skuly


That's the sort of pattern that comes from rocket or missiles testing, when the first stage looses its vector. I've seen this pattern on video from rocket tests from Russia as well China. In 1980 China test launched its full-range ICBM, the Dongfeng-5 (CCS-4). Even the description in this post mentions a bright light which would likely be the flare of the rocket. I watched one of the last shuttle launches from 20 miles away on a cloudless day and the flare was blinding. Can you imagine what it would look like from a rural village at night by peasants who have no clue about technology?

reply to post by skuly


lol at rocket out of control.

reply to post by Son of Will

However, the Norway Spiral is a completely different matter, in my opinion. Look at this:

Look closely at this pic...



Do you see the white trail at the bottom of the pic, now follow that up and it meets up with the blue spiral which shows it was a missile launch..

In fact just look here and you will see similar sunlit contrails from missile launches..

www.google.com... =1

reply to post by superluminal11

lol at rocket out of control.

And what do you have to show that proves it wasn't an out of control missile?

reply to post by skuly


This is a picture of the video I have. Trying to upload the actual vid but epic fail due to inferior laptop. Will do it from my laptop later when it comes back from repairs.

Screen shot of failed rocket launch:


Here is a screenshot of the video about the sky spiral in China in 1988

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


oops! I mean 1981.

I think the two photos which I posted above should show anyone and all what the difference is between a failed rocket launch and a spiral in the sky.

Still trying to post the vid. ok, I give up. It just doesn't want to work.
Try this link:
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by UnlimitedSky


Nice, I never bought the failed rocket launch.. If it was then where's the collateral damage.. With that many witnesses I'm sure someone's home,car or barn would have been damaged ..

reply to post by HooHaa

Who said the spiral was the result of a failed rocket launch?
That it occurred in conjunction with a failed test, yes. With the launch, no.
A rocket does not have to explode for a test to be a failure. In the case of an ICBM, if the payload does not reach its target the test is a failure.

Phage
reply to post by HooHaa

 

Who said the spiral was the result of a failed rocket launch?
That it occurred in conjunction with a failed test, yes. With the launch, no.
A rocket does not have to explode for a test to be a failure. In the case of an ICBM, if the payload does not reach its target the test is a failure.

edit on 9/29/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Semantics.

reply to post by g2v12

Not at all. The question was about "collateral damage." A failed test does not imply such.

reply to post by UnlimitedSky




Weird, thats for sure....

But its not a video. Its a still picture.

UnlimitedSky
I think the two photos which I posted above should show anyone and all what the difference is between a failed rocket launch and a spiral in the sky.

Aren't you making this argument based on the unspoken assumption that there is one and only one way that a missile can fail, and all failed missiles must look alike?

And you're still on a dead-ended wild space goose chase, since space spirals have been generated by rocket launchings for more than half a century and few of those spirals involved failures.

As I've consistently written, what we are seeing in the Dec 2009 Norway spiral video is the effect of a normal ICBM ascent, required by shorter-than-max-range tests of solid fuelled missiles. If the test was a failure, that failure was not required to generate that shape.

One obvious difference between your videos and the Norway spiral -- Norway was a dual-track spiral, yours are all single-track. Check it out yourself.

UnlimitedSky
reply to post by tsurfer2000h

 

Still trying to post the vid. ok, I give up. It just doesn't want to work.
Try this link:
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Description:

Uploaded on Dec 17, 2009
The Chinese government made a documentary about a mysterious display of spiral lights that appeared over the country in 1988. The display was seen by thousands of people and lasted for several minutes. The display was just as baffling to the Chinese as it was to the Norwegians.

How do you know this isn't a missile/space event? Maybe the true date/time of the event is kept secret because there IS an obvious correlation.

Don't you find it odd that the poster of the video you are championing refuses to allow comments??

Here's the earliest sky spiral I've found do far:

files.abovetopsecret.com...

From Corliss, 'Handbook of Unusual Natural Phenomenon"

The NASA Centaur 2 launch on November 27th 1963 instigated several reports of strange luminous phenomena from ships far off the Florida coast. On the M.V. Wendover, bound from Dakar to Cape Town, the captain and many of the crew were treated to a spectacular show. “At first a small, white spherical cloud with a bright centre was seen bearing 230° at an altitude of 40°. It rapidly enlarged and assumed the form of perfectly defined concentric circles of light. The circles reached a maximum of 5° radius from altitude 40° to 50° and the greatest brightness was equal to that of a full moon. As the object passed across the sky, heading approximately 310° -130°, the concentric circles became elliptical with a ‘Catherine-wheel’ effect which gave the impression of anticlockwise rotation. When the body passed ahead of the vessel, the surrounding cloud of light dissolved and became the single bright white light usually associated with artificial satellites. (Marine Observer, 35: 20, 1965)

Sketches of the phenomena were submitted to the editor of the Marine Observer by the captains of the M.V Pennyworth and the M.V. Ripon, also in the North Atlantic well off Cape Canaveral.

sonnny1
reply to post by UnlimitedSky

 

Weird, thats for sure....

But its not a video. Its a still picture.

edit on 29-9-2013 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)

THe video starts only at 0:50. It's worth the wait. Check it out.

Another sky spiral of interest is this case where TWO were observed from Omsk, in the Urals.

described here: schnaider.livejournal.com...

The witness didn't recall when he had seen them: "It was somewhere in the year 1988-1992, both times winter - unfortunately I do not remember the exact month - in Siberia, very long winter."

My hypothesis is that he was watching volley-fire of two SLBMs from the Soviet submarine missile test range in the Barents Sea -- but without dates, no correspondence is possible.

His exact drawing is here:
www.ljplus.ru...

JimOberg

My hypothesis is that he was watching volley-fire of two SLBMs from the Soviet submarine missile test range in the Barents Sea -- but without dates, no correspondence is possible.

His exact drawing is here:
www.ljplus.ru...

Wow...that would be a stretch for me...I must admit. The pic looks like a two galaxies zoomed out....they look so perfect...and a somewhat different effect than spirals discussed here in this thread.

Are you claiming that these are "failed" tests ? two of them ? fired simultaneusly ?

Would these spirals be produced in any case or just in case of a "failure" ?