My name is David Paulides and for the last 4 years I've been investigating people missing in the wi

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Thanks for coming to ATS!

Question...I would guess that you have also worked on plenty of older, or "cold cases" in this area of research. Has the number of cases that fit your criteria stayed the same over the years on a per year basis or are the significant changes around local/global events or seasonal patterns?

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Some of our identified cases go back to 1850 and go all the way till today.
There are highs and lows and some years with nothing.

What makes missing people in the Natioanal forests suspicious is the way they have handled it, and the amount of money they want for a list. That in and of itself is telling. The forest can be disorienting. I know because I have gotten lost. I will have to get your book but from what I'm hearing thus far people have reported lost time. This has been cooroborated by those who have found them unusual distances or under strange circumstances.

I hope my questions make sense. I'm confident you have been making charts of similarities, differences, areas, circumstances, etc but mine have to do with statistics. If you haven't gotten there yet with regard to the questions below do you plan to enlist a control group in order to see what happens. It would be unethical to have people get lost so you can study them but I'm sure there would be a way to do this in an ethcial way - if not in a lab environment maybe gathering stories from people who get lost and then analyzing how it affected their perception of time, distance, senses, etc. It becomes difficult when you cannot contact people so I'm thinking you have already begun this alternative process.

With regard to those who are missing and then recovered (through their own efforts or by others),
have you compiled any statistics (put some numbers into a stats program, etc), to rule out the probability of disorientation, simply getting lost and then finding ones way back, and other such variables? If so, after ruling these factors out what does the bottom line look like? Still highly suspicious is what I'm assuming.

For example, if 100 people have been lost but recovered (assuming all have unexplained circumstances involved) one might say 50% could be due to panic or disorientation affecting the mind. I understand this would take a lot of studying of psychological journals to see what's out there on stress and the mind and body but just courious if anything preliminary.

For those who have never been found I'm sure rangers chalked it up to death by an animal or exposure, or people wanting to disappear. In these cases same question - what are the chances of this many people disappearing under the circumstances they did (2 brothers but more cases like this as an example).

I know these cases are unexplained (those are the ones you are focussing on). I was just wondering what the numbers look like in the end - IE: have ruled all of this out and still.....

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Have you taken the various tribal folklore and history into consideration in your studies?

Have you also considered the potential implications between your work and the many old stories of people who went into the woods, "disappeared" to another world and returned with little or no knowledge of what happened?

A lot of what you have described so far reminds me mostly of our religious and spiritual beliefs about crossing into the spirit world, heaven, paradise, hell, the underworld...some moment of transcendence where we are removed from this world and brought into another. For some its a divine experience, some witness great cities and the ancient past. Among the irish and british legends are tales of going to enchanted galas and wild other lands. Other cultures speak in whispered tones of places of dark, caverns of suffering and pain.

What if these stories aren't just tall tales and old myths?

They exist in every culture, as do religious and spiritual leaders or guides. These people would know by training and experience exactly where these spots existed and use them to their advantage, perhaps even warning others never to go there for fear they would be lost.

If people are disappearing in the woods as they have been throughout history and myth, then is it not reasonable to assume they are crossing some boundary between one universe and the next?

They seem to think they are, we seem to think it's possible, so why not?

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We think there is great value into looking into Native American history and so-called myths of other cultures.

Many of the missing have vanished in areas with "Devil" in its name, coincidence, we don't know.

I have written about cultural beliefs that explain disappearances with people and how that parallels many of the missing we have chronicled.

No these stories are not myths and tall stories. Many, many of these stories are taken directly from official National Park Police reports and reports from other jurisdictions. Many of the cases have people that are still missing and are on national databases as missing people.

Good question

Have followed these storys and bought both books from Ebay. It is astounding just how many people have disappeared in such mundane circumstance's . Some deaths can be attributed to everyday,if that's possible,occurrence's but for most its fascinating. I have been lurking here for many,many years and think this thread was worthy enough for me to sign up. Also greetings from the UK.

Hi wasn't familiar with you and your work so just listening to some of your research.

In regards to the Yeti/bigfoot/sasquatch did you ever look into the following:

link to article

from 2001 when the BBC did a documentary in Bhutan - they had the king's permission and use of his personal Yeti hunter (an actual position)

For those who don't click links:

Bryan Sykes, professor of Human Genetics at the Oxford Institute of Molecular Medicine, one of the worlds leading experts on DNA analysis, who examined the hair, told The Times: “We found some DNA in it, but we dont know what it is. Its not a human, not a bear nor anything else we have so far been able to identify. Its a mystery and I never thought this would end in a mystery. We have never encountered DNA that we couldnt recognise before.”

I don't think this was ever debunked.

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There exists tons of articles, books as well as generational word documenting connections between disappearances and the occult. It's a FACT the different occults use people and animals for sacrifice. All the research in the World will never cover this FACT up sir.


What is the summary of all the research?

DavidPaulides
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

Thanks for coming to ATS!

Question...I would guess that you have also worked on plenty of older, or "cold cases" in this area of research. Has the number of cases that fit your criteria stayed the same over the years on a per year basis or are the significant changes around local/global events or seasonal patterns?

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Some of our identified cases go back to 1850 and go all the way till today.
There are highs and lows and some years with nothing.

Appreciate the answer....have another question.

Are there any cases with multiple people reported as missing at the same time that fit your criteria? Such as a group of campers or hikers? And is there any pattern to the missing at all concerning date/time/year/etc...?

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What makes missing people in the Natioanal forests suspicious is the way they have handled it, and the amount of money they want for a list. That in and of itself is telling. The forest can be disorienting. I know because I have gotten lost. I will have to get your book but from what I'm hearing thus far people have reported lost time. This has been cooroborated by those who have found them unusual distances or under strange circumstances.

I hope my questions make sense. I'm confident you have been making charts of similarities, differences, areas, circumstances, etc but mine have to do with statistics. If you haven't gotten there yet with regard to the questions below do you plan to enlist a control group in order to see what happens. It would be unethical to have people get lost so you can study them but I'm sure there would be a way to do this in an ethcial way - if not in a lab environment maybe gathering stories from people who get lost and then analyzing how it affected their perception of time, distance, senses, etc. It becomes difficult when you cannot contact people so I'm thinking you have already begun this alternative process.

With regard to those who are missing and then recovered (through their own efforts or by others),
have you compiled any statistics (put some numbers into a stats program, etc), to rule out the probability of disorientation, simply getting lost and then finding ones way back, and other such variables? If so, after ruling these factors out what does the bottom line look like? Still highly suspicious is what I'm assuming.

For example, if 100 people have been lost but recovered (assuming all have unexplained circumstances involved) one might say 50% could be due to panic or disorientation affecting the mind. I understand this would take a lot of studying of psychological journals to see what's out there on stress and the mind and body but just courious if anything preliminary.

For those who have never been found I'm sure rangers chalked it up to death by an animal or exposure, or people wanting to disappear. In these cases same question - what are the chances of this many people disappearing under the circumstances they did (2 brothers but more cases like this as an example).

I know these cases are unexplained (those are the ones you are focussing on). I was just wondering what the numbers look like in the end - IE: have ruled all of this out and still.....

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We are former police officers trained to look for consistent elements that cause linkage amongst incidents, some call this profiling. It is impossible for me to explain in detail how we came to the conclusions we did. Go to Amazon.com and read reviews by other police officers and rangers about our Missing 411 books, they rave about how we have uncovered something that truly exists, something unusual.

Kids are found miles and miles beyond what is reasonable. A two year old boy hikes 3000 feet up a steep mountain to be found dead, etc, etc. There are countless cases of truly unusual facts surrounding these cases.

There is not ONE case in our books where rangers or law enforcement thought an animal was the cause of the death or missing, if it was, the case was excluded.m Please read my bio.

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You link to a site that ends its own article with

It’s as good an explanation as any other for these tragic, tantalizing events and enigmas.

Weird California

and claim it's fact!

If you want to back up your claim at least link to something that has research and validated data otherwise how can anybody believe your opinion of a fact or not. (trying to help not flame-if that's worth anything)

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You link to a site that ends its own article with



It’s as good an explanation as any other for these tragic, tantalizing events and enigmas.

Weird California


and claim it's fact!

If you want to back up your claim at least link to something that has research and validated data otherwise how can anybody believe your opinion of a fact or not. (trying to help not flame-if that's worth anything)

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Our site links to many articles and blogs. We don't want to push an agenda or a theory and surely don't want to try to brainwash anyone. If there were thoughts or ideas that our webmaster found interesting or thought provoking, we encourage that article to go up.

I don't think you will find anything on our site where WE have stated anything is fact, except our bios....

Hey David welcome to ATS

My question is:

Do you believe that the reason the NPS doesn`t keep record of missing people or even bother to investigate all these missing people is because they already know what is happening to these people and are prohibited from revealing the truth?

reply to post by Vasa Croe


Appreciate the answer....have another question.

Are there any cases with multiple people reported as missing at the same time that fit your criteria? Such as a group of campers or hikers? And is there any pattern to the missing at all concerning date/time/year/etc...?
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Yes, multiple disappearances simultaneously, documented in all books.

Multiple disappearances at different times from the same family, explained in an earlier post, the Palmer brothers missing from Alaska and documented in "Missing 411- North America and Beyond." There are many other multiple disappearances from throughout the U.S. that we document.

There are some patterns that we ID in the books. Disappearances have taken place on a fairly regular level since 1850.

Mr. Paulides granted that your DNA study is proof of big foot being a bipedal crossbreed of a human and some unknown nonhuman,what is your theory of what the unknown non human part is

reply to post by DavidPaulides


dave - that reply was not to you - check the top of my post

my reply to you was referencing the Bhutanese unidentified DNA claimed to be from a Yeti.

reply to post by DavidPaulides


Mr. Paulides. It is an honor and privilege to thank you for your wonderful series, Missing 411!

I am a big fan of your work, enough to not only recommend your books here on ATS, but to actually give them as gifts to a few friends here.

I dont want to take too much of your time, and I haven't read through the entire thread yet, so apologies if someone has asked this question.

Has the U.S National Park Services made a concerted effort yet to address its lack of record keeping, and has your books made any difference to sway their opinion to do so?


Again, Its an honor to even ask these questions, and I want to also thank ATS for doing this. This is awesome to be able to actually.


Sonny

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My question is:

Do you believe that the reason the NPS doesn`t keep record of missing people or even bother to investigate all these missing people is because they already know what is happening to these people and are prohibited from revealing the truth?
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Good question, wish we knew the truth.
NPA has a very large contingent of federally trained law enforcement officers that have graduated from the federal law enforcement training center. Their academy is better then most in the U.S, they are highly trained. Try to find one medium sized law enforcement agency anywhere in the U.S. that would publicly state theat they have no idea how many people are missing in their city/county. Most have a website with the missing on their site. A retired special agent from NPS told us that they have a lack of integrity, their statement, not ours. I believe this refers to upper management, not rank and file. There is no logical explanation for not having this information readily available. It is mind boggling...

Hi David,
Thanks for take time out of your day to answer some questions on ATS. I truly believe something strange is going on with our National Forests. I went to Washington State and was told it is not safe to sleep in my car on the outside edge of the park, i found this kind of strange. Since the national government has jurisdiction over state law enforcement they can basically do as they please without answering to any one. Since it is humanoid and has never been captured it must have a high degree of intelligence. Most bigfoot sighting are coming out of national forest do you think that bigfoot is someone confined to these areas as a prisoner or even willingly cooperating with the government to maintain his secrecy?

DavidPaulides
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The groups that are critical with the study have other motives, mainly that bgft is an ape or gorilla and not human based, even though every other DNA analysis ever done on a bgft sample has shown human, never, ever ape or gorilla.

..but isn't it true that Ketchum concluded that the mtDNA in the samples was distinctly human while the nuDNA was primate?

..or do you mean that the DNA samples tested for unknown primate not a known primate?

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Have you thought of having a search "event" at one of the National Parks where the most people go missing?

By event, I mean a organized effort, similar to The Run for Cancer type of event. Maybe a week long or less dependent upon how many people attend. You could grid off the entire park and assign teams to search those grids. All remains, whether animal or human or unknown locations could be logged into GPS for further investigation.

Many people love to hike off the beaten path, I say take advantage of that resource. There is also strength in numbers, so chances of one of the teams going missing would be negated as well.

ETA: You might even get footage of Sasquatch while you're at it.

I think it's interesting that Dr. Melba Ketchum has affiliations to various Bigfoot orgs. Would it be possible to have DNA testing performed by some other lab that doesn't have vested interests in the outcome of the tests?


Isn't it true that Dr. Ketchum didn't initially publish a paper on her findings until the advent of a science journal by the name of "Denovo Scientific Journal", essentially bypassing any peer review? Why is it that the only paper Denovo Scientific Journal has published is Dr. Ketchums?

Why hasn't Dr. Ketchums paper been peer reviewed? Especially in light of the fact that you claim that anyone who disagrees with the findings has alternative agenda and/or hasn't read the paper?