Now The Doctors are Taking Umbilical Cord Blood Without Consent

FORMe2p00p0n
reply to post by Logos23

 

When I see 100% anything ... I always like to look at the ingredients...

I researched your claim...It's doesn't seem to be treated blood, it hasn't been modified in any way, so basically it’s a regular old transfusion with blood containing high concentrations of stem cells... where is the technology in this... Really? She is that far off huh? The information you are talking about isn't a cure... it helps the patient to recover from higher doses of chemotherapy... with a couple side benefits

yes if I were a parents choosing between the death of my child and any way to them get some extra time... I’d try just about anything

cancer.org

A stem cell transplant (SCT) allows doctors to use higher doses of chemotherapy (sometimes combined with radiation therapy). After that treatment is finished, the patient receives an infusion of blood-forming stem cells
to restore the bone marrow.

Oh and feel free to read on to the short and long term side effects...


How is it all of a sudden I'm a bad guy because I don't want people taking my $#!+ without my permission...

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I claimed that I could 100% assure you that for some children a transplant was a life saver....I stand by that comment.
As for whether it's a cure or not....yes it is part of a course of treatments, so if we want to argue the toss I will concede that it is part of a course of treatment that can be a cure for some.

I don't think that you understand the process....a transplant isn't optional for some children with rarer forms of Leukaemia or common types that have relapsed. Without the transplant they WILL die!

And I do not need to read on about the short and long term side effects.....I spoke from experience...my 12 year old daughter is in remission from Leukaemia.

Bottom line is....stem cell transplant for some Leukaemia patients is the only chance they have of survival and without it they die...it's that simple!

I don't personally think you are a bad guy for being more than a little peed of for them taking your baby's cord blood without explanation as you have every right to know and consent....But I feel like I have to speak up when you you brush off and belittle the stem cell transplant process when it saves lives as it's a bit insulting to those children and families whose existence depends on it.

FORMe2p00p0n
But funniest thing is, in one of my birthing classes there was a pregnant lady that worked at a biotech firm and delt with stemcells ... she said all the claims are pretty much bogus!

Thing is, I would rather trust a medical practitioner than a lab technician.

If this topic is vexing you so much then ask your GP (or whatever is the US equivalent).

Regards

Well, I apologize for making it seem like there is no use in highly consentrated stemcell blood... I just don't think its worth it or right that they steal it... Because tell me if I'm wrong, but that blood (probably being so rare) is super pricey...

I know research clinics pay per stem cell...

And once again sorry for my brashness.... my heart does go out to all that struggle with cancer... even I have had family that have died and recovered from cancers.

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


I can't help but wonder ... What plans did you have for what is rightfully termed "biological medical waste"?

If you had no need for this material, I don't understand your desire for even thinking about your need for giving permission for it's proper disposal.

Way back when, the doctor would simply throw it out the back door for the dogs and hogs to fight over.

reply to post by paraphi


Ha! I guess that is where we part....

You believe Doctors (that require money for there services... and get all there findings from their lab technicians)

I believe my fellow (wo)man (that freely give information when asked)

FORMe2p00p0n
reply to post by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies

 

So wheres the document letting me know this... hmmm didn't get one... it must not of be tested on that sample

If something happens and your baby crashes and needs a blood transfusion

and let me guess, you must be a nurse because they used that same sentence when they asked us about other blood tests.... do you learn that one in nursing school?



reply to post by Blarneystoner

 

You stated "Percutaneous umbilical cord blood sampling" .... I was letting you know that wasn't it...

as for you other comment....

At the facility we went to, those tests are done with a heel prick.... and they asked us if we wanted to do it...

and I denied consent... and signed a form...


Wow if anything you guys are making me more paranoid.... with all your presumably logical explanations to the reasoning of non-consensual blood extraction

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edit on 9/23/2013 by FORMe2p00p0n because: (no reason given)

Not a nurse. But I am a parent of 6 children and I am also level headed enough to understand that there will not be a specific consent form addressing specifically the taking of blood from the cord for testing.

I am sorry that you prefer to deny reality vs denying ignorance on this topic when a simple search on Google will answer each and every one of your questions and concerns.

reply to post by teamcommander


I mentioned it in one of my responses...

I got the placenta...

Drove it to one of the Midwives homes...

She dried it, ground it up and put it into pill form...

and with a small piece also made a tincture


If you want to read about the benefits for postpartum and menopause.... here is just one of many sites I pulled from google

plecenta encapsulation




You want to know what the Dr's do with it... sell it...

I bet If your child had something up with it you would have not asked where they get the blood/organs came from.
We should all sign the donor list, I have and recently gave bone marrow (free week off payed as well ) it hurt a lot but I helped someone.
My Brother died at the age of 16 and he wanted his stuff used to help others...he helped 17 other people with his passing .

OP my guess is they were testing the blood to see what the oxygen levels were, I doubt that they would use it to clone another child/use it for reptile food.
Just be happy your child is not needing anything from others and is healthy..lots are not and have a very hard time in life because there is not enough spare organs for them.

DONATE PEOPLE DONATE (see my sig link for more details).

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


Well, I work with clinicians and know many. I can say that where I come from there is a different ethic. Clearly some clinicians are exceptionally well paid, but don't let that rule your worldview because when you need decent medical care that is the last thing you will be thinking of!

If you have concerns then you should ask. I expect it is routine. There is a test which screens for genetic abnormalities in the baby, for example. I am sure there are others. I am sure you have rights to see your kid's medical record, so that will say what is what.

Congratulations.

Regards

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


Congratulations on you new baby,

Now the sad reality, you are not the first one and last one that has complained about having their new born cord blood been stolen, because no asking the parent is just that stealing, yes the doctor took it and he will make money selling the blood to a cord bank or research institution, but is very deceiving that he did it without your or your wife consent

This is a trend that is taken hold everywhere and yes is people that are complaining about this and very outraged at the practice.

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


No worries
I honestly wouldn't worry though, I don't tend to think that they stole your baby's blood or harvested the stem cells. I think the more likely explanation is amongst those already offered. From your description the birth wasn't completely plain sailing and there were minor complications as such it would have been the most accurate and least invasive way to measure oxygen levels in your child's blood.

But I agree they should have been more forthcoming with an explanation.In the UK we have an organisation called PALS ( The Patient Advice and Liaison Service) who take the stress out of complaints on your behalf and can ask medical staff for answers regarding any dispute you may have with a doctor/hospital etc. Maybe it would be worth finding out if there is a similar organisation near to you who will be abe to ask staff for an official explantion?

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reply to post by Logos23



The oxygen levels are checked using a Pulse Oximetry test.... so no, that wasn't it...

Oh and this was the only test I couldn't get out of...



but I'm ignorant... so what do I know

reply to post by paraphi


Yeah that was a seperate heel prick test ... care of the government to screen for genetics "baddies"

reply to post by marg6043


****ING THANK YOU!!!

I knew I wasn't crazy.... well... at least regarding this specific topic....


...and really....all I wanted to do was just post this and bring it to other peoples attention...




My wife told me not to bring this up on any social media where someone knows me... because she doesn't enjoy me talking about personal things to others... so I complied... but still needed to get it off my chest...

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n

FORMe2p00p0n
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

reply to post by Logos23

 

The oxygen levels are checked using a Pulse Oximetry test.... so no, that wasn't it...

Oh and this was the only test I couldn't get out of...



but I'm ignorant... so what do I know

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edit on 9/23/2013 by FORMe2p00p0n because: (no reason given)

That test wouldn't give you a clear picture of your child's oxygen levels just prior to birth and thus wouldn't be able to tell you if your child was oxygen deprived during delivery. If your child had been oxygen deprived during the birthing process there would have been cause for concern and possible follow up. Perhaps you couldn't "get out" of this test as there was a short window of time to get this information?

I'm not going to tell you you are paranoid or being dramatic as I am not in a position to know the true facts...but you do need to be just as open to explore other plausible reasons for this action as there are a few credible ones that you shouldn't discount until you have explored an official explanation.

reply to post by Logos23


That test was given to the baby the next night...

and the only reason I couldn't get out of it wasn't because of the hospital... it was due to the fear tactics the nurse used on my wife...

Every test came with a fear tactic and usually I could talk my wife down from them (by going on google and showing her statistics or research), but because this test was non evasive she kept saying we should do it...

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


The pulse oximetry test is given to all babies between 1 to 3 days old as it can help diagnose heart defects. Your child would have been given it at that time as standard for that reason.

But again, they may have tested the blood from the cord following a minor complicated birth for different reasons.

I'm just starting to think you have made your mind up and are not interested in an explanation other than your conspiracy one. Which is fine....but makes discussion feel like wasted time.

Logos23
reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n

 

The pulse oximetry test is given to all babies between 1 to 3 days old as it can help diagnose heart defects. Your child would have been given it at that time as standard for that reason.

But again, they may have tested the blood from the cord following a minor complicated birth for different reasons.

I'm just starting to think you have made your mind up and are not interested in an explanation other than your conspiracy one. Which is fine....but makes discussion feel like wasted time.

I could not have stated this better myself!

Occam's razor is clearly not being used by the OP.

He refuses to accept any alternate thought on why this was done - regardless of how rational or factual that alternate thought may be.

reply to post by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies


And you two both CLEARLY didn't understand my initial post....

It was to inform others that it happens ....

I just wanted to post this to all the mothers-to-be... this is happening without your concent... And I'm still in awe because of it....

I don't care what they took it for.... my problem is them taking it without our concent and telling me it's just what they do

whether or not you enjoy having narcotics injected into you IV without your concent because "they thought it would make you feel better" is your choice... I would want to be informed

the doctor was extracting blood from the umbilical cord. I told him we did not consent to that, and he said it's "just something we do" ... I said "ok? but we did not consent to that"...

Wait, so because I mention conspiracy things other then standard tests... which all the doctor needed to do was inform me that it was for a test... I refuse to accept any alternate thought on why this was done.... (I KNOW THEY COULD OF BEEN TESTS!!!! Thats what I kept telling myself.... YOU ****ING HAPPY!!! YOU WIN... YOU WANT YOUR CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE NOW!!!)

You missed the whole ****ing point though.... what if my religion stated this was a sin and now my child is damned to hell for eternity... is it OK to stomp all over my religious rights...

Anyway, to me, this stealing of blood is still pretty disconcerting, who knows what the **** they are doing with it... yes maybe saving a life with their supposed stem cell therapy... but I can’t help shake the feeling something more sinister happened (whether it was: DNA extraction for some governmental agency, selling it to research labs for an exuberant amount of cash, etc etc etc…)

Our simple 6 bullet birth birthplan was on file and posted at the bedside ... I know doctors cant write for #... but I didn't know they couldn't read...

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


You had no need to respond in an aggressive manner towards me. I have done nothing other than point out not so sinister explanations that could be a possibility.I even told you not to worry and try to get an official explanation and consider outside help from a patients liaison organization. The only thing I pointed out was that you made discussion a waste of time because of your seemingly one sided perspective.

I have also told you I accept that you feel angry because no explanation was given and I fully understand that....but as for getting angry at me I would say that was grossly misplaced. Just because you star out highly offensive swear words aimed at me does not make them any less aggressive or offensive.

I can assure you that as a woman I do not tolerate being addressed in that manner so I don't wish to engage in further discussion
This said I still wish you and your new baby the best.