Underwater Military Bases

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Great question! You know your water for being a rabbit

"Anyone have anything they can add to this "

Ever heard that you can insert and extract members in certain "fields" of work on a submarine? SEALS do it.

Brotherman
"Anyone have anything they can add to this "

Ever heard that you can insert and extract members in certain "fields" of work on a submarine? SEALS do it.

Oh, that's well known. Some subs were designed to facilitate this. But pretty much any US sub you can lock in and out submerged. Not only SEALs, but if they're carrying the dive team of an SF company they do this as well. Although subs will also ferry in A-teams that aren't special insertion, they just surface and let you Zodiac in instead of going out the dive trunk.

Some US subs can also accommodate a DDS, which adds a lot to that sort of capability.

CSB:

Years ago, a SEAL team did a dive exercise submerged. IIRC, you could get three guys through the trunk at a time. So, they came back, three of them were in the trunk. At that point, what's supposed to happen is, they close and dog the hatch, the operator opens a vent and then pumps out the water. When the trunk is clear, he opens the inner hatch and they leave, he closes it up and closes the vent and the next three come in.

It didn't work that way.

They dogged the hatch, he DOESN'T open the vent, and he pumps out the water. It draws a pretty decent vacuum on the guys. One of them has an arm hooked in a pipe and when he loses consciousness he dangles from the pipe. The other two end up face down in the water. When the operator finally notices that the trunk empty indicator isn't lighting, because the pump can't empty the thing totally against a vacuum, he suddenly realizes he's just bent the holy hell out of the divers and pops the vent open. When the medical team got there, the guys are fizzing at the eyes from the nitrogen coming out. The two on the deck drowned, the one hooked in the pipe survived but had issues from the bends.

reply to post by SadistNocturne


I recall a friend who served in the swedish military who mentioned that they found an underwater base full of russians in thier waters. They torpedoed it of course. Since by treaty they were not supposed to be there, the Russians denied it's existence.

Later that day, a number of telnyashkas washed up on swedish shores.

reply to post by Bedlam


I was just providing info and refering to a navspecwar unit that would utilize this capability wasnt trying to go to far into it but I do know that when such actions take place it is treated "differently" this is all I was trying to convey but thanks for the info, quite interesting. People sometimes get hurt trying out new things.


I have previously worked with some people that have done insert extract via submarine I dont know how it works, but I know that they train for it, this is very certain.

So are we talking a real life Sealab 2021?


Or more like the show Seaquest DSV?

ezinearticles.com...

This man seems to be a credible source. I would trust first-hand military personnel above all, though. There just isn't much documentation of it. But from our knowledge of the 'gray and black' areas of the MIC, this is a very likely occurrence.
The beginning comment seems to not have any loose ends. I do not suspect him of making this up. I REALLY do not see why the NAVY would not have underwater military installations. Heck, there may be underwater cities that govern(mental) bodies retreat to to take a load off.
I would highly suspect these installations to be the locations of trans-species development (biological creations) and human cloning, etc.... Since human cloning is technically illegal in all 'countries', scientists/biologists may be using these bases as means of more than just submarine hubs.

reply to post by SadistNocturne


Interesting! Johnston Atoll Secret Base Good place to transact secret business....

Just because we have the technology to do it, doesn't mean the need was large enough for them to be built.

In college, the guy across the hall was fresh out of the Navy, and served on fast attack sub. He honestly didn't tell me anything, he did mention the bulkheads shrink when at depth.

He was able to say that Tom Clancy must have some friends in high places, because his details are pretty darn close to what's classified/top secret.

I think I'd take SeaLab 2021 over Seaquest. Jonathan Brandis's talking dolphin was kind of annoying.

SadistNocturne

AmberLeaf
Its true, i went to one myself a few years back, i cant say much more other than yes they are real and some are much deeper than 400ft.

Ok, this is the second time I've read your post.

I mean absolutely no disrespect, truly I don't...and I realize there's no way I can ask this without it coming across as such, but how can you hope to sound like a loon by stating that you've been to one, in a public forum, and not offer anything else up ?

I just can't help but think that if I were in your shoes Id think "Gee someone else has experienced what I've experienced, cool...but I'm sure as hell not going to offer anything additional because of X, so, why offer up anything at all?"

- SN

Yes, this is one gripe I have with ATS, people making statements that they refuse to back up, I mean no disrespect to Amberleaf, I have no idea of his or her background but its a poor idea to reply with that sort of comment when there's going to no back up to it.

In fact it could cause a bidding war in some respects, no matter of the authenticity of the words others who just like to abuse ATS might say the same but say I was on two of them at 2,000ft etc etc.

I beg people who have some insider knowledge to either be willing to 'go the extra mile' since you are willing to admit to something or please just say nothing, its just a tease that annoys. People will say that they can't because it could put them at risk but lets be honest here, you are on ATS a watched forum, the fact that you gave any info is noted and investigated, by the fact of saying it you are already 'out there' so at least be out there for a decent reason without going in to exact oath breaking detail.

Saying you were on one is already a spike if you accept that term.

We already get our fair share of make it up artists on here which only detract from any one telling the truth. Be well amberleaf, if its real a smidgeon more info, or just stop talking about it entirely if you feel its too risky.

If its made up then shame on you...But I hope its not..

Maybe the underwater base is a secret party your just not aloud to be at, sorry. but the disco lights don't stop there, watch out dont look over there or you might see the dance room

reply to post by SadistNocturne


Subs don't have "cooks". If he can't get that right why would anyone believe the rest?

reply to post by SadistNocturne


I remember reading this a few years ago in Wired. If the technology was available to Russians in 1953 I fully expect there are indeed underwater bases far more complex then what this article mentions.

In 1953, Joseph Stalin signed the plans for a top-secret nuclear submarine base that would become the operational home for the fearsome Soviet Black Sea Fleet. Hidden inside the base of a mountain in the port town of Balaklava on Ukraine’s Crimean coast, the 153,000 square-foot facility took nine years to build and its entrance camouflaged from spy planes. It could survive a direct nuclear hit and at maximum capacity could hold 3,000 people with supplies to sustain them for a month. Best of all, the vast subs that slunk in and out of here between tours of duty could enter and leave underwater, keeping them from prying eyes at all times. Once the most sensitive and secretive of Soviet Cold War hotspots, today it is preserved as a museum. I manage to get special permission to drive into the base during the 8,000-mile Land Rover Journey of Discovery expedition to Beijing. We were the first to do so since the Soviet trucks and trailers that ferried in missiles, supplies and essentials over its 40 years of operation.

www.wired.com...

It probably wouldn't be very hard to estimate the locations of these bases. The idea that these things are near undersea cables sounds accurate, and they're likely in the range of 400-1600 ft down based on submarine specifications. Furthermore, I imagine these things aren't placed in international waters. Overlaying an ocean depth map with the map of undersea cables gives only a handful of points where these things could be.

OccamsRazor04
reply to post by SadistNocturne

 

Subs don't have "cooks". If he can't get that right why would anyone believe the rest?

Well, they DO, even if technically they were mess management specialists and are now culinary specialists.

reply to post by Bedlam

military.answers.com...

Cook
The Navy submarine cook actually has one of the most important jobs on board ship. Producing high-quality food in the dark, cramped confines of the submarine can present a unique challenge, but good food can have a huge impact on the morale of the people on the ship. In addition to preparing meals, cooks also plan menus and order food supplies.

According to military.answers, the Cook is one of the most important jobs

reply to post by RealSuperboy


I'd suppose Occam was going to say they're culinary specialists. But yes, Navy food is always fantastic, especially compared to Army chow. Especially the officers' mess, although dining with the officers always made me worried I'd say "#" before I could check it up. Also I was never sure what fork to eat with. At least the enlisted chow doesn't have the social strain. I always felt like a bear on a tricycle in the officers' mess.

OTOH, my God, the food. How Navy aren't all 300 pounds I don't know.

/you...you get seconds?

Bedlam

OccamsRazor04
reply to post by SadistNocturne

 

Subs don't have "cooks". If he can't get that right why would anyone believe the rest?

Well, they DO, even if technically they were mess management specialists and are now culinary specialists.

They have someone cooking the food, not a "cook". How many 5 star restaurant chefs do you see saying they are a "cook"?

It's not a flattering term, and typically the "cook" on the sub has other duties as well. Anyone serving on a submarine would know that. Anyone who is making crap up wouldn't and may think cook sounds right.

RealSuperboy
reply to post by Bedlam

 

military.answers.com...

Cook
The Navy submarine cook actually has one of the most important jobs on board ship. Producing high-quality food in the dark, cramped confines of the submarine can present a unique challenge, but good food can have a huge impact on the morale of the people on the ship. In addition to preparing meals, cooks also plan menus and order food supplies.

According to military.answers, the Cook is one of the most important jobs

Please find me the "cook" position from the list of positions they are hiring for.

Add to that the rest of the story is pretty unbelievable, including the switching of personnel while trying to maintain they were never docked because his security clearance was not high enough. Switching personnel would be a dead give away and would tell the "cook" exactly what happened, which would never be done. It's like telling someone they cant know what powers the ship because it's beyond their clearance level and then plastering blueprints everywhere with a room labeled "nuclear generator".

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


It is the third title down. Check it out, dude. You must have overlooked it.