Mother Shipton's Prophecy about this era/age/time/century

If I remember right most of her story's were wrote by a man called Richard Head ( 1684 ? ). He later admitted that he had made them up. It could be I remember wrong

Ive been to Mother Shiptons Cave, its a tourist attraction in Yorkshire.

You should go if you can, good fun.

They sell her almanacs and gifts etc.

reply to post by Dynamike


thats right...they have been translated from old english to new

reply to post by Annunak1


I have read on ATS articles about FEMA and DHS 'preparing' for a major event in the very near fututre that will affect the east coast of the USA. Yesterday I read that Puerto Rico has been receiving deliveries of massive quantities of body bags and coffins. How tptb can possibly predict an event of major magnitude and predict the time window in which it is predicted to occur begs the suggestion that they KNOW it's going to happen. How do they know? Because they are going to cause it to happen.
The event will seem like a natural disaster, but what is it that could cause a 'natural' disaster on a scale that would affect the east coast of the USA?
Some years ago I read a series of articles that suggested that the USA was experimenting with a technique that could cause explosions at any point in, on and above the earth by triangulating electromagnetic beam weapons to focus at a given point. The technology, then in its infancy, would by now be sufficiently well developed to, for instance, cause an explosion of nuclear power at the site of the fault associated with the Cumbre Vieja volcano on the island of La Palma in the Canary Isles. If the fault slips, a large slice of the island will slide into the sea, causing a massive tsunami that will indeed affect Puerto Rico, all of the Caribbean islands and, yes, the east coast of the USA.
I was not too sure where to put these thoughts. I apologise if they are not relevant to this post about Mother Shipton's prophecies about which I will simply comment that anyone who has read Velikovsky and/or Hamlet's Mill will be aware of past catastrophes that were clearly on a massive scale with devastating effects for mankind. We may indeed be on the cusp of such events.

Dianec
She says it will cross the sky 7 times so maybe something that has orbitted us already 6 times..
The part I don't get is sending the dragons back into the sky with a cracking tail. If the earth is destroyed how would we deploy a rocket?

Hi Di,

The part about the dragon being sent back is:

His masked smile, his false grandeur,
will serve the gods their anger stir
and they will send the dragon back
to light the sky - his tail will crack.

To me, that doesn't mean that we (man) send the dragon back at all.
I think it implies that our fake smiles and grandeur will anger the gods,
and that THEY will send the Dragon back to us, to light the sky and crack his tail again.

It's like - our blasé attitude to surviving the 1st visits of the "dragon", and our not mending our ways or learning from this, will bring the dragon back to "finish the job" so to speak.

That's how I read it anyways.

cheers
GTD

AbleEndangered
reply to post by Dynamike

 

Interesting point.

It is believed she died in 1561, (the same year Shakespeare was born.)

Shipton and Nostradamus were contemperaries in the 1500's
Ursula (Shipton) was 15 years older than he...but both seem to have accomplished their major predictions in the 1550's at the near end of their mortal lives...or else they were both attuned to the spirit-of-the-Age...Zeitgeist and were compelled to do their (?) Independant prophesied wordplay = idea-scapes






In nineteen hundred and twenty-six
build houses light of straw and sticks.
For then shall mighty wars be planned
and fire and swords shall sweep the land.


in this OP verse from Shipton there is immediately a prod for the reader to engage themselves in interpetation
(She's presenting the bait)

in 1926...houses will not use materials like "ight of straw or sticks" which might translate to materials common in the 1550's like wattle/mud & wood ... but be fashioned of stronger materials that will withstand explosions and armies (fire and swords)...this might refer to concrete reinforced floors & walls as opposed to sticks & bundles of straw thatch for roofing
but the 1926 record of civil engineering products do not point to any technology that radically changed the materials used in common housing, as Shipton seems to imply... ergo the 1926 date was just a far-away enough date to coax Ones' imagination...


then this:


A fiery dragon will cross the sky
six times before the earth shall die.
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
for the six heralds in this prophecy.


For seven days and seven nights
man will watch this awesome sight.
The tides will rise beyond their ken.
To bite away the shores and then
the mountains will begin to roar
and earthquakes split the plain to shore.



This is more complex... this 'fiery dragon'... is this about the zodiac , a constellation, the orbit of a outer solar system planet...or a periodic comet....

the clue is 'heralds' in the last line...Comets are seen as Omens of Ill Fate, harbingers of war/death/plagues/terror of all sorts & varieties

if i understand correctly a periodic comet or a 6th different visitor to the solar system (major comet ) will put the Planet into a crisis mode for 7 days

to be careful... this summary of woes like flooding and earthquakes that occur during that dreadful week sounds a lot like the Earth interaction with something like Nibiru... and not just a rare comet


a case for Mother Shipton being the first to warn of Nibiru is worth researching

i just used those rwo stanzas as an example of the kinds of thoughts these forcasts generate in the reader... if i were to try and analyse the whole piece of work... it would probably result in the poem / future chronicle being put together over a period of time and with different input sources
thanks for listening

Annunak1
reply to post by littled16

 

That could be possible i don't know. I just found out today about her.
Even if this one is false there is still enough prophecies that speak of this age.

I would be really cautious about the majority of predictions said to have been made by Mother Shipton, the most contentious have been proven to be fake and there is no known prediction she made that is about either this century or the last. To the best of my knowledge even the fire of London one didn't come with a date attached to it so technically if any event ever happened to London then she would be seen as correct - note how it's used even there as a prediction for firstly the plague and then the fire, even though there is nothing in its telling that actually suggests two events or what the event would actually be.

I always find it curious how it took until decades after her death for the predictions to be sold in book form, and then over the centuries further predictions have been added (made up) in further books, yet no one seems to question the provenance too much.

Cancerwarrior
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S+F.

Interesting how so many prophecies from so many eras seem to point specifically to this time when something drastic happens with the planet. Alot of what the author states of in this form of prose is not impossible, and indeed rings true.

Mainly because a lot of them were written an awful lot more recently than they suggest.

Bilk22
Well found another one of her rhymes. She was certainly right about some of it. Interesting that some people do have a vision of sorts. She predicted the internet

These aren't crazy statements to make now, but then it was heresy.

Published in 1448, republished in 1641.

"Carriages without horses shall go,
And accidents fill the world with woe.
Around the world thoughts shall fly
In the twinkling of an eye.
The world upside down shall be
And gold be found at the root of a tree.
Through hills man shall ride,
And no horse be at his side.
Under water men shall walk,
Shall ride, shall sleep, shall talk.
In the air men shall be seen,
In white, in black, in green;
Iron in the water shall float,
As easily as a wooden boat.
Gold shall be found and shown
In a land that's now not known.
Fire and water shall wonders do,
England shall at last admit a foe.
The world to an end shall come,
In eighteen hundred and eighty one."

edit on 19-9-2013 by Bilk22 because: (no reason given)

That's a known fake, one of many. The publisher of a book of her predictions admitted he added that one - out of interest the book was published in 1862, designed I guess to show disaster will occur within 20 years...... hmmm, the author of that would have been prolific on ATS I guess, but why set it as 20 years these days when you can say with impunity that you know the world will end next month?

It's yet another where her original fairly mundane but interesting words were copied - parodied? - to make them more topical and of interest to an audience outside of her own area. For this one, Wikipedia is as good a place as any to start if you would like to understand more about how she has been used basically as a dummy that a lot of people have put their words into the mouth of...

en.wikipedia.org...

The original writings go back to the 16th Century, much like the Plow Boy prophet. That a later compiler-editor may have added is possible. But, sticking to the original known text. Haley's Comet has completed the necessary number of appearances. Now, there is a large comet making its sweep. If nothing else, it makes the prediction of a large comet probable.
The 16th or 17th Century "editor" may have added to the predictions. However, making such predictions as a member of the "Educated" elite would have been embarrassing. Adding to Mother Shipton would give the individual cover. If these later predictions are accurate, the source is not relevant.
So, the question remains; how to interpret and understand what the verses speak of? Going against the grain as it were, avoiding apocalyptic and doom versions. Sort of knowing where there is a speed trap. No big deal, but helpful in avoiding a ticket, go the speed limit or take another route.

Gordi The Drummer

Dianec
She says it will cross the sky 7 times so maybe something that has orbitted us already 6 times..
The part I don't get is sending the dragons back into the sky with a cracking tail. If the earth is destroyed how would we deploy a rocket?

Hi Di,

The part about the dragon being sent back is:

His masked smile, his false grandeur,
will serve the gods their anger stir
and they will send the dragon back
to light the sky - his tail will crack.

To me, that doesn't mean that we (man) send the dragon back at all.
I think it implies that our fake smiles and grandeur will anger the gods,
and that THEY will send the Dragon back to us, to light the sky and crack his tail again.

It's like - our blasé attitude to surviving the 1st visits of the "dragon", and our not mending our ways or learning from this, will bring the dragon back to "finish the job" so to speak.

That's how I read it anyways.

cheers
GTD

edit on 20-9-2013 by Gordi The Drummer because: to correct spelling

Ok I can see that now. Makes more sense.

A fiery dragon will cross the sky
six times before the earth shall die.
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
for the six heralds in this prophecy.

I believe this might be the coronal mass ejection "kill shot" that the remote viewers have talked about.

"When pictures seem alive with movements free,"

this sentence doesnt make sense. They did not have pictures in the 1500. Everything was expressed in paintings. When did the term “picture” become a house hold term?

reply to post by kosmicjack

lol, MOTHER SHIPton

THose who think the dragons tail is a comet - why do you ignore the part where she says its not a literal thing, but a metaphor?

The dragon's tail is but a sign for mankind's fall and man's decline.

Nothing to see here but vague Nostradamus stuff, open to interpretation, and mostly about (in arrears, as ever with prophecy) whatever the heck you want it to be about.

Not really useful.

Brandyjack
The original writings go back to the 16th Century, much like the Plow Boy prophet. That a later compiler-editor may have added is possible. But, sticking to the original known text. Haley's Comet has completed the necessary number of appearances. Now, there is a large comet making its sweep. If nothing else, it makes the prediction of a large comet probable.
The 16th or 17th Century "editor" may have added to the predictions. However, making such predictions as a member of the "Educated" elite would have been embarrassing. Adding to Mother Shipton would give the individual cover. If these later predictions are accurate, the source is not relevant.
So, the question remains; how to interpret and understand what the verses speak of? Going against the grain as it were, avoiding apocalyptic and doom versions. Sort of knowing where there is a speed trap. No big deal, but helpful in avoiding a ticket, go the speed limit or take another route.

The source is entirely relevant based on when they were made and on what basis. If I started a new age web site and made spurious claims that a black man would be president of the USA, and I conspired to make it appear that this prediction was more than 50 years ago, and I also made the claim that it was in the new millenium, there are some people that would not check the facts and take it as fact when patently it would not be.

What you are suggesting is the same is the Nibiru claims that the world would end last year. It didn't and so now those with a desire to do so are finding new ways to fabricate this and it seems some people are only too happy to go along with it rather than actually test both the actual quotes and their provenance - are you one of them?

MarsSentinel
THose who think the dragons tail is a comet - why do you ignore the part where she says its not a literal thing, but a metaphor?

The dragon's tail is but a sign for mankind's fall and man's decline.

Correct. People choose to ignore this very important detail and interpret it in a different way because they want it to mean something else.

They tend to think that the comet passes by at a time of mans decline, and not the way she ment it to be, as a metaphor.

And they say the Internet is a hotbed of superstitious rumor-mongering. *sarcasm off*

The thing about "prophecies" is that they're really just imagination and/or common insight where it's absolutely inevitable that SOMETHING, usually VERY vaguely resembling what was written, will definitely transpire. For example, even what was mentioned in the Bible about Israel becoming a nation is most easily inevitable after several millennia, 5000-or-so years. Let's get real.

It would take enormous, or to understate it, specificity for something to qualify as a true prophecy. If someone 200 years ago could have CLEARLY predicted 9/11, with its CLEARLY-defined skyscrapers and airplanes and whatever else, that ALONE would be the real deal. However, a MOST accurate prophecy as such would have to include the fact that the buildings' collapse was not caused by the fuel of the airplanes.

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Not a coincidence!

camaro68ss
"When pictures seem alive with movements free,"

this sentence doesnt make sense. They did not have pictures in the 1500. Everything was expressed in paintings. When did the term “picture” become a house hold term?

Huh, another good point.

I did find the word Picture used 3 times in King James Bible, and that was published in 1611. So picture is legit for the time period.


Numbers 33:52
Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:

Proverbs 25:11
A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

Isaiah 2:16
And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.