"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" It's not rocket science-COMMON SENSE!! VS DENIAL!!

So in other words, you chose to ignore that Alquaeda and Bin Laden were under US control and set up to fight the soviets, the Bushs had strong ties to the Bin Ladens, Alquaeda was in constant contact with the ISI which is little more than a front for the CIA.

All you did with your post is insist the king was dressed and we are just not smart enough to see his clothes.

a reply to: Merinda

o in other words, you chose to ignore that Alquaeda and Bin Laden were under US control and set up to fight the soviets, the Bushs had strong ties to the Bin Ladens, Alquaeda was in constant contact with the ISI which is little more than a front for the CIA.

I have often slam Truthers for not doing their homework and concocting unfounded conspiracy theories because they are too lazy to do their homework.

Case in point, had they done their homework, they would have found that at no time did the CIA support Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. There were two distinct groups; the Afghan Mujahideen, and the Afghan Arabs. The CIA supported the Afghan Mujahideen, not the Afghan Arabs, which consisted of foreigners and the group that included Osama bin Laden.

Afghan Arabs
Group which Osama bin Laden belonged

Afghan Arabs (also known as Arab-Afghans) were Arab and other Muslim Islamist mujahideen who came to Afghanistan during and following the Soviet-Afghan War to help fellow Muslims fight Soviets and pro-Soviet Afghans. Observers and journalists covering the war have cast doubt on their significance as a fighting force, but within the Muslim Arab world they achieved near hero-status for their association with the defeat of the militant atheist, anti-religious Communist superpower that was the Soviet Union.

Osama bin Laden used the thousands of fighters he recruited in 1988 to fight against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan bin Laden expanded his "jihad" or holy war. The goals of al-Qaida's jihad are to establish the rule of God on Earth, to cleanse Islam of depravity and to become martyrs to the cause. In 1998 al Qaida issued a statement claiming it was the duty of all Muslims to kill U.S. citizens including civilians.

Afghan Mujahideen
Supported by the CIA

The Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen (also known as the Seven Party Mujahideen Alliance or Peshawar Seven) was an Afghan organization formed in May 1985 by the seven Afghanmujahideen parties fighting against the Soviet and Democratic Republic of Afghanistan forces in the Soviet-Afghan War. The alliance sought to function as a united diplomatic front towards the world opinion, and sought representation in the United Nations and Organisation of the Islamic Conference

Do you really think they were able to make that distinction? Both the Mujahideen and the Afghan Arabs were locals and foreign fighters. In the end a distinction between the 2 groups exists only on papers written outside of Afghanistan, just like the American trained FSA soldier who later turns and joins up with ISIS is not the same group on paper and was not trained and supplied on paper but factually you have an ISIS that is trained and supplied directly by the US and its allies, with plausible deniability if we accept that it was Americas intention to arm and train an FSA and they never saw it coming that that training and armament would go to ISIS.

a reply to: Merinda

Do you really think they were able to make that distinction?

Of course! The Afghan Arabs were foreigners who were hostile toward Americans. In addition, it was Pakistan that provided much of the support to the Afghan Arabs. Even Osama bin Laden denied his group received aid from the United States.

Pearl False Flag does set the table of global genocide/deceit:

Hiro, Naga, Palestine, Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Persian Gulf, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq, Afghan, Pak, Libya, Syria

76 years' reign of TERROR across the globe and still going strong.. to what end?



US has show it's ready to blow the whole world up.. as long as someone 'else' is blamed!

(Could be what happened on Mars, for all we know!)

a reply to: Milah

Where's yoru evidence of a 9/11 false flag?

Take into considering that countries around the world issued intelligence warnings to the United States that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would be responsible. The warnings were issued in the months and week before 9/11, with the exception of the Philippine warning which was issued in 1995.

Now, please post your 9/11 false flag evidence for all to see.

a reply to: Milah

US has show it's ready to blow the whole world up.. as long as someone 'else' is blamed!

1. Did the United States go to war when North Korea shot down our EC-121 over international waters?

2. Did the United States go to war when terrorist bombed the USS Cole?

3. Did the United States go to war when terrorist bombed our Embassy in Kenya?

4. Did the United States go to war when terrorist bombed our Embassy in Tanzania?

5. Did the United States go to war when Libya bombed Pan Am 103 out of the sky?

6. Did the United States seek to stay out of World War II?

7. In addition to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, did the Japanese also attack the Philippines, Singapore and send troops into Northern Malaya?

8. Was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor considered an act of war?

9. Did Japan and Germany declare war on the United States after the Pearl Harbor attack?

10. Did the United States go to war when a U.S. Naval vessel struck an Iranian mine in international waters?

11. Did the United States go to war when Iran took our citizens hostage?

12. Did the United States go to war when terrorist bombed the Marine barracks in Lebanon?

13. Did the United States return Okinawa back to Japan?

14. Did the United States give the Philippines its independence?

15. Has the United States removed its combat troops out of Afghanistan?

16. Has the United States removed its combat troops out of Iraq?

17. Has the United States removed its combat troops out of Saudi Arabia?

18. Did the United States go to war when terrorist bombed WTC1 in 1993?

19. Did the United States go to war when terrorist took American hostages in lebanon?

20. Did the United States go to war when terrorist hijacked and bombed American airliners overseas?

21. Did the United States go to war when the Philippine government reveal terrorist plans to blow up many American airliners out of the sky over the Pacific Ocean?

22. Did the United States go to way when the Philippine government also revealed terrorist plans to fly an aircraft into CIA headquarters?

23. Did the United States go to war when intelligence reports revealed that terrorist had planned to launch large-scale attacks in California and in New York and blow up American landmarks?

Seems to me the United States exercised great restraint from going to war.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

That facts? Okay...so you are so concerned with how many hijackers huh? I did that on purpose...they were fabricated so why does it matter......

Apparently, there was a reason why al-Qaeda named the 19 hijackers.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Merinda

Do you really think they were able to make that distinction?

Of course! The Afghan Arabs were foreigners who were hostile toward Americans. In addition, it was Pakistan that provided much of the support to the Afghan Arabs. Even Osama bin Laden denied his group received aid from the United States.

Firstly thank you for taking the time to respond so promptly to a post you posted in August.

Yes they received ample support through the Pakistani ISI I know. It might also interest you that CIA personnel was attached to the ISI and involved with training the Afghan Arabs. Therefore technically you are right. This particularly group on paper was never trained by the CIA. Just like on paper the US does not train and arm ISIS. Its all defectors weapons they captured and missdrops. For 4 years and counting.

a reply to: Merinda

Yes they received ample support through the Pakistani ISI I know.

We can take a look here.

Pakistani Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, who ran the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Afghan operation

It was always galling to the Americans, and I can understand their point of view, that although they paid the piper they could not call the tune.

The CIA supported the mujahideen by spending the taxpayers' money, billions of dollars of it over the years, on buying arms, ammunition, and equipment. It was their secret arms procurement branch that was kept busy.

It was, however, a cardinal rule of Pakistan's policy that no Americans ever become involved with the distribution of funds or arms once they arrived in the country. No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen

en.wikipedia.org...


Marc Sageman, a Foreign Service Officer

No U.S. official ever came in contact with the foreign volunteers. They simply traveled in different circles and never crossed U.S. radar screens. They had their own sources of money and their own contacts with the Pakistanis, official Saudis, and other Muslim supporters, and they made their own deals with the various Afghan resistance leaders."

Dispelling the CIA-Bin Laden Myth

Fox News reporter Richard Miniter wrote that in interviews with the two men who "oversaw the disbursement for all American funds to the anti-Soviet resistance, Bill Peikney - CIA station chief in Islamabad from 1984 to 1986 - and Milt Bearden - CIA station chief from 1986 to 1989

Both flatly denied that any CIA funds ever went to bin Laden. They felt so strongly about this point that they agreed to go on the record, an unusual move by normally reticent intelligence officers. Mr. Peikney added in an e-mail to me: “I don’t even recall UBL [bin Laden] coming across my screen when I was there.

Meanwhile, U.S. funds went exclusively to the other rebellion, which was composed of native Afghans (Afghan Mujahidden). Mr. Bearden told me: “I challenge anyone to give any proof that we gave one dollar to any Arab Afghans, let alone bin Laden.”

www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: waypastvne

Bone Yard Junk!

Anyone can truck in a trailer full of bone yard scraps and open the doors, LOOK everyone it is the Pentagon airplane SEE!
Quick take some pictures...

Look at all these airplane parts wink, wink... These stupid photos proves nothing. Anything to support the OS.

a reply to: Informer1958

Look at all these airplane parts wink, wink... These stupid photos proves nothing. Anything to support the OS.

Of course they do, especially in light of the fact that eyewitness reports described an airliner in the colors of American Airlines striking the Pentagon and the fact that FDR data proved that airframe was that of American 77 and the fact that radar tracked American 77 to the Pentagon where an aircrew of an Air Force C-130 confirmed the aircraft as a B-757 that struck the Pentagon in their communications to ATC. Not to mention that ATC folks at Ronald Reagan Airport visually confirmed the aircraft as an airliner.

Lastly, we have American Airlines confiming the loss of American 77 at the Pentagon which explains why the wreckage of American 77 was recovered from inside and outside the Pentagon.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
Of course they do, especially in light of the fact that eyewitness reports described an airliner in the colors of American Airlines striking the Pentagon.

A government-involved conspiracy says there is no value in government data and information. Tell me about the witnesses that described an airliner in the colors of American Airlines striking the Pentagon. I want to hear "who" they are in your words.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

A government-involved conspiracy says there is no value in government data and information. Tell me about the witnesses that described an airliner in the colors of American Airlines striking the Pentagon. I want to hear "who" they are in your words.

We can start with this video. ATC was tracking American 77 and asked the C-130 pilot to identify the aircraft



And this video.



Let's take just a few of the eyewitness accounts.

* "Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"

- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

* "A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'"

- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

* Richard Benedetto, a USA TODAY reporter, was on his way to work, driving on the Highway parrallel to the Pentagon : "It was an American Airlines airplane, I could see it very clearly.

* Staff Sgt. Chris Braman : The lawn was littered with twisted pieces of aluminum. He saw one chunk painted with the letter ``A,'' another with a ``C.'' It didn't occur to Braman what the letters signified until a man in the crowd stooped to pick up one of the smaller metal shards. He examined it for a moment, then announced: ``This was a jet.''

* Joe Harrington was working on the installation of new furniture in Wedge One, when he was called out to the parking lot to talk about security with his customer moments before the crash. "About two minutes later one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd.," Harrington said. "It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge. It was like a Hollywood movie or something.

* Bob Hunt in office when the explosion at the Pentagon occurred. "About a third of the sky was blacked with smoke", He said. Hunt was in contact with this office via e-mail on September 11 until he left work and decided to walk, rather than catch a crowded subway. "I talked to a number of average people in route who said they saw the plane hovering over the Washington Mall Area at an altitude lower that the height of the Washington Monument" Hunt stated. He said they reported to him they could clearly see the markings of an American Airlines airliner...

* Lagasse, William: I saw the aircraft above my head about 80 feet above the ground, 400 miles an hour. The reason, I have some experience as a pilot and I looked at the plane. Didn't see any landing gear. Didn't see any flaps down. I realized it wasn't going to land. . . . It was close enough that I could see the windows and the blinds had been pulled down. I read American Airlines on it. . .

* Liebner, Lincoln: "I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low," said Army Captain Lincoln Liebner. "My first thought was I've never seen one that high. Before it hit I realised what was happening."

* McCusker, Elaine: Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don't know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating.

* Munsey, Christopher: A silver, twin-engine American Airlines jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex, fast, low and straight toward the Pentagon, just hundreds of yards away.

* O'Keefe, John: Northern Virginia resident John O'Keefe was one of the commuters who witnessed the attack on the Pentagon. 'I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd., listening to the the news, to WTOP, and from my left side-I don't know whether I saw or heard it first- I saw a silver plane I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,'

911research.wtc7.net...

That explains why wreckage in the colors of American Airlines was found at the Pentagon.



Photo 1: American 77 Wreckage at the Pentagon

Photo 2: American 77 Wreckage at the Pentagon

Photo 3: American 77 Wheel at the Pentagon

Photo 4: American 77 Wreckage at the Pentagon

Photo 5: American 77 Engine Wreckage at the Pentagon

Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon

www.journalof911studies.com...

We can go here and check on the registration record of the airframe pertaining to American 77

Type Reservation Fee Paid
Mode S Code 52072030
Reserved Date 09/15/2006
Renewal Date 09/11/2015
Purge Date 10/15/2016
Pending Number Change None
Date Change Authorized None
Reserving Party Name GREENWAY JONATHAN JAMES
Street PO BOX 714
City FREDERICK
State MARYLAND
Zip Code 21705-0714
County FREDERICK
Country UNITED STATES
Deregistered Aircraft
Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 24602 Certificate Issue Date 05/08/1991
Manufacturer Name BOEING Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 52072030
Model 757-223 Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) A87418
Year Manufacturer 1991 Cancel Date 01/14/2002
Reason for Cancellation Destroyed Export To None
Type Registration Corporation

Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration
Name WILMINGTON TRUST COMPANY TRUSTEE
Street RODNEY SQ NORTH ATTN CORP TRT ADM
City WILMINGTON
State DELAWARE Zip Code 19890
County NEW CASTLE
Country UNITED STATES

Deregistered Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer ROLLS-ROYC Classification Standard
Engine Model 54555 Category Transport
A/W Date 05/08/1991

And finally, the announcement from American Airlines.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Insurance Fraud,...

Larry Silverstein came out on the short end of the stick thanks to 9/11 and he even loss a court battle to the airlines

... Money Laundering,

Please elaborate.

Missing Money,...

The money wasn't missing, and much of the money has now been accounted for.

Oil Reserves...

The U.S. was doing just fine before 9/11.

False Flag,...

There was no False Flag, especially since intelligence warnings were issued to the United States from around the world that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would be responsible for such an attack on America.

... Drones

Not possible. Only a certain number of B-767-200 and B-757-200 series aircraft were built and are accountable. In addition, those aircraft were not fly-by-wire aircraft and there was no way the airlines would have grounded their aircraft for many months in order to modify them illegaly as drones, which wold have required the redesigning of their control systems and that would have left paper trails everywhere. I know, because one of my jobs as an airframe technician was the modification of large and small aircraft and helicopters.

... Asbestos Abatement....

I fail to understand how that had anything to do with 9/11. People don't seem to understand the proper procedures that must be followed in order to bring down steel frame buildings with explosives. If those procedures are not followed, you will have results similar to these buildings.

Steel Columns of WTC1
Standing in Bomb Crater

Steel Frame Building Walls blown Out

Bomb Damaged Building Still Standing

Bomb Damaged Building Still Standing

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: waypastvne

Bone Yard Junk!

Anyone can truck in a trailer full of bone yard scraps and open the doors, LOOK everyone it is the Pentagon airplane SEE!
Quick take some pictures...

Look at all these airplane parts wink, wink... These stupid photos proves nothing. Anything to support the OS.

This theory is so outlandish one would dismiss is it outright if it weren't for the lack of damage over a sufficient area after the supposed impact. However how exactly would you hide all these scraps in the Pentagon without somebody going like whats all these scraps doing here?

However we are talking about the Pentagon. While America is famous for its wooden houses with thin walls and very poor isolation Id like to think that the Pentagon was built quite differently. Is anybody familiar with the pentagon? I imagine the windows were not normal windows but bulletproof reinforced windows the best on the market. Maybe they were capable to withstand penetration through a flight engine and the walls were so sturdy the hole was not big enough to accommodate the airplane intact the outer fringes of the wings simply disintegrated on the study building without penetrating.

But then not both can be true you cant have the jet engines buried within the pentagon but at the same time a lack of damage from the engines on the building because they failed to penetrate the sturdy building unlike the body.

911review.com...

a reply to: Merinda

This theory is so outlandish one would dismiss is it outright if it weren't for the lack of damage over a sufficient area after the supposed impact.

When an aircraft strikes an immovable object or the ground at a high rate of speed as was the case in regard to all four 9/11 aircraft, you are not going to find an intact fuselage, wings, or tail wreckage. We can take a look at this photo and you will notice there are no large pieces of aircraft wreckage at this crash site.

Photo: Caspian Airlines Jet

Photo: Capian Airlines 7908 Crash Site

These B-757 flaps are much too large to secretly place on the grounds of the Pentagon in the presence of hundreds of people, news teams, and operating cameras.

Photo: B-757 Flaps at the Pentagon

Photo: Wing Impact Damage

When an aircraft strikes an immovable object or the ground at a high rate of speed as was the case in regard to all four 9/11 aircraft, you are not going to find an intact fuselage, wings, or tail wreckage. We can take a look at this photo and you will notice there are no large pieces of aircraft wreckage at this crash site.

I think its only fair that the ATS members get to see all the photos..

photogallery.sandesh.com...

When an aircraft strikes an immovable object or the ground at a high rate of speed as was the case in regard to all four 9/11 aircraft, you are not going to find an intact fuselage, wings, or tail wreckage

This seems not to be the case........


photogallery.sandesh.com...

a reply to: wildb

What is a person holding in his hands at photo #18 from your link? Could that be a passport?

Photo: Recovered ID Cards from the Fiery Crash of Caspian 7908

Why does that photo debunk claims that passports cannot survive air crashes?

You will have notice that the size of the wreckage at the Caspian 7908 crash site match the size of the wreckage recovered from the Pentagon.

Photo 1: American 77 Wreckage

Photo 2: American 77 Wreckage

Photo 3: American 77 Wreckage

Photo 4: American 77 Wreckage

Photo 5: American 77 Wreckage

Photo 6: American 77 Wreckage

Photo 7: American 77 Wreckage