Get the feeling you're being played yet?

reply to post by Variable


The analogy is metaphorical, not reality, genius.

That being said, you are indeed pretty smart. You're seeing a little deeper than some. But you're not seeing deeply enough.

I think that you see the truth but you are damaged, so you hold onto hatred. You're not being fair. Allow some forgiveness. If you don't do that, then every time you see someone you hate lick a lollipop, it's going to be a disgusting sight to you. Without the hate, you can actually see actions clearly for what they truly are.

Each person is responsible for their own psychology.

Sublimnals and/or conditioning doesn't work without
self election. It has always been this way, this is why
there is so prevalent a belief in free-will. That is
why the advertisers love to present false choices.

But I ask you.

Why does it have to be free-will. What happened to
plain old "will?" To be a person of will, of self control.
To have will, the path of self correction. To know
will, and recognize it in others.

Where and how did the concept of will get married
to the word "free." Are the people who speak of
free-will bringing out the worst in consumers?

I appeal to the best in people. Not their impulses.



We have entered a phase where the politicians are
just as much a victim of the corporate controlled
media as We The People. The categorical calling
them liars has gone too far. It has crossed the
Rubicon.

If politicians always play to the popular opinion,
and conspiracy realists have become the center
of mass in this country, shouldn't we give our
elected officials the opportunity to join us?



Am I the one who is suffering under the need to
have permanent villains?




I see one thing coming, and our very fear of
action has already hastened it's arrival.

Mike

reply to post by qiwi27


You didn't read any farther. I have many more posts and I plainly state the answer to the question.

Keep going.

reply to post by Common Good


Dear Common Good,

Death has not yet been fully destroyed. It exists. War exists. There are bad people in the world and they must be dealt with.

Yours truly,

Reality

TarzanBeta
reply to post by IndieA

 

Interesting... You say the media is saying one thing...

But all the garbage that just came out of you is all the stuff the media is actually saying.

Don't you find that really odd?

I'm just saying the things that people with a concience are saying. Or things that people that understand how the world has really been operating have been saying. Some people in the media fall into that catagory and also they can't ignore the outrage so they have to address it then downplay it. Dude, the government and the media are constantly lying to the American people to reach their own agendas. They want the war, trust me. Most of the rest of us don't.

mikegrouchy


But I ask you.

Why does it have to be free-will. What happened to
plain old "will?" To be a person of will, of self control.
To have will, the path of self correction. To know
will, and recognize it in others.

Where and how did the concept of will get married
to the word "free." Are the people who speak of
free-will bringing out the worst in consumers?

I appeal to the best in people. Not their impulses.

Once upon a time, you told me "that's the most rebellious thing I ever read on ATS."

Saying that free-will is not necessarily reality?

That is true, and if only people really understood that.

IndieA
I'm just saying the things that people with a concience are saying. Or things that people that understand how the world has really been operating have been saying. Some people in the media fall into that catagory and also they can't ignore the outrage so they have to address it then downplay it. Dude, the government and the media are constantly lying to the American people to reach their own agendas. They want the war, trust me. Most of the rest of us don't.

I quoted the whole thing for everyone to read again.

That was a true heartfelt response. Now we're cooking.

But now, let's try not associating individual identities with governmental entities.

For example, President Obama is a part of the government. President Obama speaks.

Does that mean the government speaks?

No.

When Kerry speaks?

No.

But the government entity as a whole, when it speaks, it speaks cryptically and in phrases.

When will you listen to a human being speak for once and allow yourself to judge them for their merit alone? And when will you respond properly to the obvious threats instead of allowing the subliminal content to override the truth that resides within you?

You prove you have it in you. Now use it.

TarzanBeta

Once upon a time, you told me "that's the most rebellious thing I ever read on ATS."

Saying that free-will is not necessarily reality?

That is true, and if only people really understood that.

My feeling is that will = will.

Free-will is packaging. Because the word "free" is
useful for selling things. And to argue against
free conjures all kinds of bad things, like unfree.

But will, and will alone, is one expression of the
soul. Of self determination. Free is an adjective.

One should choose their own adjective.

Creative will
insightful will
loving will
merciful will
healing will
righteous will
lendable will

Just off the top of my head. The reader should
find and develop their own adjective for will,
and let no one else define it for them.

Mike

mrnotobc
reply to post by TarzanBeta

 

You're right about us being played, but you're totally wrong about who's trying to play us. It's not the Syrians, it's our own crooked lying government. If you can's see that you're a fool.

I knew there was another post to which I was supposed to respond. Took me a second to find, it was so skinny.

Read my analogy again. Yes. it's the Syrians, but not the Syrians alone.

If you had read my analogies, you would have read about one of the malfunctioning voices in the head of the woman.

Go back. Read carefully. Please come back with a response worthy.

It may not have been clear I was still speaking of the woman, to make it easy on you. But I was talking about the body.

reply to post by mikegrouchy


I believe the adjective in respect to will is what defines their personality and therefore enhances their character.

...

In fact, I think that is the grammatical purpose of an adjective.

It's almost toooo simple...

Just "throwing that out there".

reply to post by TarzanBeta


Yeah, I'm pretty sure your at work right now. I can't play anymore. Good luck with the job, I will warn you though, it will blacken your soul, if you have one. Peace.

reply to post by IndieA


No. I get up at 3:30am tomorrow morning to go to work. This is rest.

Or I could say that I get up at 3:30am tomorrow morning to go to rest, where I am able to learn. And that this is work.

It doesn't matter.

But questioning whether I have a soul, and then telling me I am blackening it, by being honest, this is unreasonable.

darkbake

TarzanBeta

Firstly, Obama seems to have no fear continuing to be demonized for his speech, neither his actions. Don't you find that a little interesting? Some say it's because he is just playing his part. But the man is human, also. He will possibly have nowhere to go in this world for him and his family to enjoy at all, anywhere, because of the action that he is willing to take. In order for someone to sacrifice so much, he must believe in -something- opposed to his own aspirations. There is some credit due here.

I, by myself, could play all of you like this, if I so desired. Imagine what an entire community of elite conspirators can do to you.

Okay, first of all, that description about the men ganging up on the woman in the bar was pretty disturbing. Women aren't resources.

Second of all, yeah, you hit upon an important point. Believing in something opposed to one's own aspirations allows for Western society to function.

If that falls apart, not a single one of us is going to be able to survive in a world where everyone is out for themselves. And we are quite possibly headed straight there.

And the last sentence of yours I quoted. I don't think that is good at all that you can do that if you wanted to. Although this is not a personal insult, I mean it as a symptom of the future.

Think about a world where everyone could "play all of you like this." How quickly would your personal bluff be called? How long until it got exhausting? How many years do you think you would make it out of 30 or so?

Just some meta-analysis. Actually, I agree with your thread, I'm just adding another level to it. All of the psychological evidence presented in your thread actually points to someone with your perspective trying to play people, possibly without even realizing it.

My immediate reaction is to come to the exact opposite conclusion than the one you are presenting.

edit on 10-9-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

couldn't have said it better myself

as for analogies
I think Arthur Silber's is the best
powerofnarrative.blogspot.com...

Seeming Madness: The Suffocating Unreality that Kills
Several of Sam's friends are viciously murdered. Sam says he knows who did it, and he can prove it. Most people, including Sam, think that the suspected murderer is hiding in Tom's house. Sam demands that Tom surrender the alleged killer. Tom responds that he'd be happy to do so; Tom requests only that Sam show him the evidence that the suspected killer is, in fact, guilty. Sam insists he has the evidence, so Tom can't imagine why the request would be problematic.

Sam refuses Tom's offer and repeats his demand that Tom surrender the supposedly guilty man without conditions. Tom says again that he'd be glad to comply with Sam's demand; he only asks that Sam offer the evidence that Sam says he has. This back-and-forth continues; neither Sam nor Tom will alter his position. In frustration, Tom finally declares: "Look, I'll do everything you demand. You say you have evidence proving he's guilty. So show it to me. Then you can have him. You can have everything you say you want."

At that point, Sam yells: "THIS MEANS WAR!!" Sam means it. He kills Tom and his entire family, destroys Tom's house, murders several of his neighbors and wrecks much of the neighborhood.

Situation Two:

It's a short time later. Sam thinks that one of his neighbors, Henry, is hiding a huge stock of weapons. Many people aren't entirely sure why Sam believes this, but Sam never liked Henry very much. Maybe that's the explanation. (Sam would occasionally use Henry to cause harm to other neighbors Sam liked even less, but Sam still never liked Henry himself.) Sam regularly adds, in an especially threatening tone of voice, that Henry has a lot of weapons that are illegal. It's not clear to anyone why Sam believes this, but Sam repeatedly says it as if it's a fact beyond dispute. A lot of people are additionally puzzled by the fact that everyone knows Sam himself has the biggest collection of weapons in the neighborhood, in the entire city in fact.

Sam keeps repeating his accusations about Henry, and he keeps making them sound more and more ominous. Even if Sam's accusations were true, it's not readily apparent why that would represent a problem. What would Henry do with his weapons? It doesn't appear Henry could do much of anything. Despite all these questions about Sam's views and his reasons for them, Sam repeats the accusations over and over again -- and he regularly adds that something needs to be done.

Henry just wants to avoid trouble. So he tells Sam that Sam can send people to his, Henry's, house and search it from top to bottom. Henry knows they won't find anything. Sam takes him up on the offer; none of the dreaded weapons are found, and certainly no illegal ones, just as Henry had said. But Sam says that's not good enough. He knows that Henry's hiding something! So Henry says: "Then send the people to inspect my house again! You won't find anything. Inspect it as much as you like! You can have everything you say you want!"

At that point, Sam screams: "THIS MEANS WAR!!" Sam means it. He kills Henry and his entire family, destroys Henry's house, murders several of his neighbors and wrecks more of the neighborhood. This time, Sam also destroys part of the surrounding city.

sound familiar?
off topic I've thought for sometime that you should ditch the yugioh avy
and used something more fitting


reply to post by qiwi27

always keep the following Bene-Gessirit aphorism in mind whenever dealing with the masterdebators herein and in life:

The Purpose of Argument is to alter the Nature of Truth

reply to post by mikegrouchy


ROFL

"There's no need for you to get defensive, I have already administered the drug!"

reply to post by TarzanBeta


I agree. Obama has grown insane, now Putin comes to the rescue, then.....what.....what happens next? People love Putin? That'd pretty much set squarely in Yuri Bezmenov's old words.



Here's Yuri's entire interview:

I feel that it is warranted to explain to everyone a couple of things about myself.

These things happened within me without my approval.

I found myself asking myself, "What are you thinking? Why do you feel convicted this way? This is not necessarily your typical behavior."

These changes did not take place within me on account of anything that I tried to do.

These changes occurred within me as I have begged the Lord for mercy almost all day and all night for a year straight, and definitely at least once a day for the last 3 years.

I did not seek to make myself more intelligent. Can you add potential to yourself? I think not. You can access more potential, but not add it.

I literally was nothing but an internal wreck because of many reasons that are beyond the scope of this thread. But if anyone is curious as to how I am able to come to my convictions, I have very little else to offer you, other than that which most will not believe.

I was changed internally, for the last 3 years, completely and utterly --against my will--.

Or at least, against my limited understanding of what my will was.

You see, I begged for mercy, I begged for wisdom, I begged for understanding about the world, about my family, about my dreams, about all the horrible events that seem to befall me and those around me.

I begged for death often, too.

But in all those things that I begged, what I wasn't realizing is that it was being given to me all along. I was being chiseled, nanometer by nanometer, every facet of myself was being turned inside out to reveal something different.

I am not what I was raised to be; and yet, I am exactly what I was raised to be.

Though it has been proven to me that some have been given the ability to learn these things in a different way. Or else there would be no reason for me to speak at all.

I have literally been cornered into doing this. I have been prevented from all things for the last few days and this was what was offered to me. This and only this.

It's not that I don't work towards my goals. It's not that I don't seek and seek and find what I need to find, and do what I need to do; because I DO these things.

But when you are cornered, and you are told, that's all there is to it. That's the bottom line.

Believe me, there is a part of me that believes that being here at this website is a pointless waste of my life. But every time I think like that, I am cornered into having to face this oddity and all its people.

You are my family.

I've grown up with you, literally. You may not have realized it at all, and I speak to the veterans and the long time lurkers. But you are who I know. You are the ones that instructed me in many things.

And now I share with you one of the inevitable results, thus far, of all of your findings, and you would reject it.

This I find too ironic.

Now it isn't just that I have grown up with you all. But also that something working within me has increased me beyond what makes sense.

Many here have credentials, many do not. It's pretty clear who does and who does not, generally.

I have nothing but a joke of a name TO my name. I have nothing but derision and rebuke and violence and hatred directed at me my entire life. I have had some friends, but the friendship is not necessarily true. I have had family, but the family hasn't been completely true.

Or else I wouldn't have found you guys.

And I think that is why many of us are here. And you know that.

But I don't have hatred at all for anyone. I want the best for everyone at all times.

I do not go to the light because I have to for myself. As I have said to many before, "I could dig a hole in the dirt and eat grass and I would survive. I don't need this foolish society."

And this is true beyond a degree most can comprehend.

I am faced with people that seem more reasonable than most that throw hissy fits even hearing such a thing, as if there would be some kind of magic involved. Talk about dramatic.

I am here because I love everyone. Whole-heartedly. And I do indeed want the love of the people.. but I don't require it. At all. I have learned to live without it. I have a greater love within me.

I am here because what a waste it would be to be so lonely without all you lunatics. And yet I'm sort of lonely any way.

I have a wife. She is beautiful. We have similar values. But these things do not interest her much. And I make a point of not bringing this stuff up much because I would rather not have our relationship based upon worldly drama.

I have two kids. Two normal kids. Terrors, in fact. Super smart terrors, but terrors never-the-less.

I wipe your crap, I don't have a driver's license, I smoke cigarettes, I drink beers (though I detest getting drunk, if not only for the idiotic hangover), my credit rating is 576, I just bought a Nissan Quest with a crack all the way up and down the windshield and without an interior panel on the passenger side door, without handles on the driver's side front door and slider door; I have 3 pairs of pants and 3 long sleeve shirts, one of which is too small on me, but I wear it anyway; one is a button-up, and the other is like long johns. I have 3 T-shirts, a pair of Wal-Mart Kangaroos, and my wife made me by bikini underwear because she thought I looked hot in them.

I am a wizard at composing music for finger-style guitar (and I don't know how; it was difficult to get the coordination for the finger-style guitar, but I have no foundation for composing); I am the best detailer/cleaner you ever met. I can tell you what is wrong with a running car by taking a brisk walk around it with the hood down, and I can repair it no problem. I have worked at Wendy's, Pai's Tae Kwon Do, Wal-Mart, Purcell's Tents and Amusements, Burger King, Many odd jobs doing brick, block, concrete (ree-bar); I worked for two different roofing companies laboring and shingling and tarring various types, I've painted, framed, floored, destroyed, rebuilt, plumbing; woodworking, moldings, porches; carpentry in general. I've rehabbed the upstairs to an old Victorian House built by Masons (that was a surprise, by the way). I worked at Dunkin' Donuts, Spa Body Works (Auto Body Shop) as detail and general mechanical repair, (later on H&V Collision); I worked at Target, BJ's Warehouse; I even worked Jewelry, at Zales.

After a 2 year hiatus from all of that (that hiatus was harder work than all the previous); I started my own cleaning business.

And I have not even come close to scratching the surface of all the things I have done and learned.

I have seen people from all angles. I have done all the jobs that people do. There isn't a person that I meet that I say, "I cannot relate to your circumstances." Because I KNOW THEM.

This all may not seem relevant to the thread, but bare with me, because it is. My character is being questioned. So I figured I would lay much of it on the line for everyone to see.

On the plus side, I am hot, smart, and strong. My wife likes me.

But I am a mere shell of existence in comparison to most of you, if not all of you. I am society's bottom rung. I am the man with feet on his back.

It has always been this way.

It won't be forever, but it has been good for me, and very good for everyone else.

I am a walking talking reproach. I am seen as the one who does not use his potential. Because I WILL NOT STEP ON TOES; I WILL NOT HURT OTHERS.

I am told, "You could be so competitive."

I save the competitiveness for honest discussion. Not to crush people for money. Money is printed; honor is granted.

I have said it before. If I was a different kind of person, I certainly have the capability to have whatever I want... but at the cost of my soul; which you claim I might not have, and which you claim is black.

But it's not so.

I willfully give away. I willfully allow myself and my family to wait longer and longer for what would make our lives much easier to ensure that someone else is good.

And it always happens that someone else shows up that needs that good.

And I know that when that person is put in front of me, they become my responsibility to love, and to share, and to give; for in them, I find myself. I don't care what your race, color, creed, religion, whatever that crap is; and I'm not just a legal document claiming I don't, but in reality, it is a bold faced lie. That is not me. I give because I love you. And I genuinely do.

But I will challenge the spirit within you, and I demand that you challenge my spirit.

And this is brevity compared to what I could offer, or plead. However you want to take this ...explanation.

Once again, as the old saying goes, "I speak as a man."

Do yourselves a favor. Admit your humility to yourselves. If you are able to muster that; if it is given to you to even try such a thing, then you will find an entire universe of truth opened up to you that you never before would have thought possible; and in fact, you might have once derided.

In the mean time, this is the truth: America is my country. I'm not going to betray my country any longer. In my heart, since I was a child, I did such a thing. I didn't know why. It was the beginning of foolishness. But something has revealed to me that such a thing is utter foolishness. This is my home. I'm not going to sit by and let it be infected by inane amounts of stupidity, weakness, and foolishness.

It's about time we got patriotic about something besides the death of our own. It seems to be the only time people are willing to stand up and say "America!"

The hypocrisy!!!

We should be saying that everyday, come hell, high-water, or relative peace!

Not that America gifted to us; but rather, that America was gifted to us by God, oh my, Yes, indeed.

reply to post by TarzanBeta


You didn't entertain my perspective, just sidestepped it.

I'm most definitely not seeing a decent reason to believe you at this point.

Sorry buddy. Gotta call it like I see it. You're allowing one possibility to be focused on without decent reasoning to back it up. No go in my world.

I listened to Obama's speech, he didn't sway me.

I think Putin is brilliant, kudos to a fantastic strategy.

I still say NO - the US needs to MYOB for a change and quit sacrificing lives on the alter of
"we are more moral, we are better than everyone else".

Also, OP, your posts sound to me like you have an ego issue the size of Obama's.

No more war, no more accidentally starting a war, no actions that could lead to WWIII which just might be the end of civilization.

reply to post by TarzanBeta


I honestly have no idea what is going on, but yeah it seems like a play (that was a play on words) to me. If you want to know the truth, I think the West gets its power from outright lies -

Kind of like whoever makes up the best sounding story or has the biggest stick wins type of thing. There really isn't much in the way of fact-checking or empirical research, regardless of the British push of the Scientific Method.

SexNinja

bekod
reply to post by SexNinja

 

when did he deny having them? from the beginning this has been the issue , he has Chems , they must not fall into rebel hands.... look that up,He denies using them would you shoot your self in the foot ? I still think it was the rebels that did it, to bring the US in and so far it has not worked , bet anything an other attack comes. before Russia has a chance to get them out. The rebels need US to win or they lose.

'Bashar Assad's Foreign Ministry flatly denied the American charges. "Of course Syria has no chemical weapons. They (Americans) have been talking for years about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But so far, the presence of these weapons has not been confirmed," said ministry spokeswoman Bouthayna Shaaban.

www.dailymail.co.uk...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

from your DM link

President Bush warned Syria on Sunday not to harbour Iraqi leaders and charged that Damascus has chemical weapons.
"We expect cooperation, and I'm hopeful we'll receive cooperation," he said. Bush stopped short of threatening Syria with military action but added: "People have got to know that we are serious about stopping the spread of weapons of mass destruction."
President Assad held talks with Foreign Office Minister Mike O'Brien, who arrived in Damascus as part of a tour that would also take him to Iraq.


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you do know this was during BUSH as POTUS and Syria had no Chems at that time , not till a few weeks later. it is in 2012 is when i was referring to the the Chemical weapons a history review and for reference use en.wikipedia.org... from the link

On July 23, 2012 Syria admitted to possessing a stockpile of chemical weapons which it claims are reserved for national defense against foreign countries.[1] During the Syrian civil war in August 2012, the Syrian military restarted chemical weapons testing at a base on the outskirts of Aleppo.[2][3] Chemical weapons were a major point of discussion between the Syrian government and world leaders, with military intervention being considered by the West as a potential consequence of the use of such weapons.[4]

It helps to do a little reading , but they say they did not have before 2012 , thought it was 2011, but the real threat is not Chemicals but Nuke from the link

Syria is a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and maintains a civil nuclear program. On September 6, 2007, Israel unilaterally bombed a site in Syria which it believed had hosted a nuclear reactor under construction. U.S. intelligence officials claimed low confidence that the site was meant for weapons development.[75] Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has said the site in discussion was just "a military site under construction"[76] and that Syria's goal is a nuclear-free Middle East.[77] Syria allowed the IAEA to visit the site on June 23, 2008, taking environmental samples that revealed the presence of man-made uranium and other materials consistent with a reactor. On May 24, 2011, IAEA Director General Amano released a report which assessed that the destroyed facility was a reactor, and the IAEA Board of Governors voted 17-6 (with 11 abstentions) to report this as non-compliance to the UN Security Council.

this is much bigger for they are in bed with DPRK. but then one threat at a time Chemicals are easy to make a nuke is not.

reply to post by bekod


Actually nuclear weapons are very easy to make as long as one has access to military/weapons grade nuclear material.

I mean without going into details, what comes next is building the structure necessary, for the material to result in fission.

Any thoughts?