Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

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It looks like all the efforts to control climate change have paid off. We may have to increase our carbon emissions to keep the planet from cooling uncontrollably for the next 40 years.

All sarcasm aside, hopefully this information will put a stop to the global power grab by the UN and TPTB. I know that long term we need to develop more efficient, renewable energy sources, but we should stop punishing people that rely on carbon fuel sources. It would benefit the people of the world if we could lower short term energy costs and stimulate the economy by removing or at least not increasing the cost of the readily available fuel sources to which we have easy access.

reply to post by Metallicus


Not really leaked, the information is available here:

nsidc.org...

Relatively cool conditions over the central Arctic Ocean continued, a pattern that has characterized this summer. Temperatures at the 925 hPa level in the high Arctic (north of Greenland to the North Pole) were 0.5 to 3 degrees Celsius (1 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit) below the 1981 to 2010 average. In comparison, temperatures in coastal areas of the Arctic were mostly near average, and temperatures in the Barents and Beaufort seas were about 2 degrees Celsius (4 degrees Fahrenheit) above average. The distribution of the temperature anomalies can be related to the sea level pressure pattern. Below-average sea level pressures were linked to cloudy and cool conditions near the North Pole and extending into the northern North Atlantic. In contrast, above-average pressures dominated the Eurasian coast.

But what a huge turn around in ice cap level

Here is a graph representing the increase verse the average and 2012 levels

reply to post by lambchop


True it isn't new information, but we are still considered terrorists and boat rockers if we are climate change deniers or question the 'science' behind the global elites power grab.

Good thing I am not bitter!

This won't stop those who seek control and power, since they have little to no respect for the common human, they will just look for, and latch onto another way to accomplish their goals.. Hopefully the rest of us will be able to squash their efforts.. This global cooling development is poetic justice.. I bet Al gore will just ignore it and continue to drive his fleet of SUV's and signing copies of his global warming propaganda to the gullible.

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But what a huge turn around in ice cap level

A one year "turn around" is supposed to indicate a trend?

Did you read the next paragraph from your source?

August 2013 ice extent was 2.38 million square kilometers (919,000 square miles) above the record low August extent in 2012. The monthly trend is –10.6% per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average.

nsidc.org...

The "increase" between the summers of 2012 and 2013 is comparable to the "increase" between 1994 and 1995. Meanwhile the actual extent of Arctic sea ice continues to decline.



"Some scientists" think this indicates a cooling trend. Right.

reply to post by Phage


So I guess you're a staunch defender of the man made global warming "theory" ?

Just asking...

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly

Fifteen years of cooling is not going to make any difference to anyone who feels safe repeating the 'official story'.




The Emperor has no clothes!

reply to post by Phage


of course it does not indicate a trend, but 60% increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year is a big turnaround.(from the OP source)

Metallicus
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True it isn't new information, but we are still considered terrorists and boat rockers if we are climate change deniers or question the 'science' behind the global elites power grab.

Good thing I am not bitter!

edit on 2013/9/9 by Metallicus because: Spelling Error

You can't deny climate change. The climate has changed many times, and will do so again. You can deny that humans might be causing this, or you can argue that it's getting cooler rather than hotter. But you can't deny climate change.

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It's only a change in our perception. For Earth, climate hasn't changed. It's like a passing of seasons to us. We have summer, autumn, winter and spring. Even though the temperatures vary vastly during the seasons...we don't call that climate change. We call that a natural cycle.

Global warming or cooling...is just seasons to earth cycles. They just last much longer, which makes it difficult for us to track or see those cycles.

At least...this is what I feel is most likely.

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly


Cycles or climate change - doesn't really matter much how you describe it, in either case things change from their current state to something else. It's not a matter perception.

Don't understand what your point is.

Mads1987
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Cycles or climate change - doesn't really matter much how you describe it, in either case things change from their current state to something else. It's not a matter perception.

Don't understand what your point is.

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you don't because you equal natural earth cycles to human meme "climate change"...

Round of applause to the scientists who have pointed out this trend. It verifies a lot of what AGW skeptics have been saying for years.

It's astonishing though how supposedly intelligent people will hang on to their outdated views rather than admit to being wrong.

I guess it's just how people work, it's the same with politics, once they have chosen a side nothing on earth will get them to change. It's a major weakness of the human race.

Personally I will applaud anyone who comes out and says they have changed their minds about something because the evidence shows that their previous stance could be wrong.

Anyway can we assume that sea levels are falling now as many of us have been claiming but get shot down. If official data says it's still rising then we have a massive problem.

reply to post by lambchop

of course it does not indicate a trend, but 60% increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year is a big turnaround.(from the OP source)

Not if it isn't as thick, it isn't.

Which it isn't.

Sea Ice Thickness 2012 vs 2013 in Late May

For an actual recovery to be established you’d have to see year after year of expanding and thickening ice. And we’re not anywhere near that. Quite to the contrary, since 1979 we’ve lost 55% of sea ice area and 80% of sea ice volume.

Area and volume. These two measures are the most important when figuring out the health of ice. Area measures how much ice covers the Arctic. Volume measures the total mass of ice. But between these two measures, volume is most important. A foot thick film of ice covering 3 million square kilometers of the Arctic is many times less ice than a ten meter thick sheet covering the same region.
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In the end, 2013 ice is overall thinner and more spread out than 2012 ice. And this state makes it vulnerable to rapid melt, opening of holes in the central ice, separation of large sections of the sea ice, and disruption by storms and strong wind events. Overall, the ice pack is less unified than even 2012. So concern levels remain high for new record losses come end of summer. Much higher, in fact, than sea ice area and extent measures would typically lead one to believe.

And as for shouts of ‘recovery,’ they are hollow as the central Arctic’s sea ice.

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Climate change seems to have a life of its own, it chops and it changes. and scientists may have gathered some knowledge but they didn't see that coming, which means they should go away and study something they can understand... there is NO ONE on this planet that gives a rats ass about global warmning... if it happens it happens.. fire, ice, water, one of them will thin the population.... its not here yet so just live life..

I'm not a scientist, so I don't have to worry about funding, so, in the last three summers not being all that hot, and Alaska this year not having a summer at all, plus mean average temperature staying flat for the last 15 years, I'm thinking that something is not quite right with this lovely home of ours, and sea ice at both poles increasing does not bode well, even snow in China in August! yep, we are not warming up! Hurricanes at a 5 year low, need I go on?

If you actually read what that article is saying without the anti-global-warming spin, you'll see it's talking about a 60% increase over the catastrophic 2012 season, where the Arctic nearly wound up ice free.

A 60% increase on nothing is still not a lot. And the overall trend on sea ice is that we'll almost certainly be looking at an ice-free arctic within the next 10-15 years.

I don't know who these 'scientists' are who think this means the earth is entering a cooling phase, but I suspect they will be from the camp of 'science' that is being sponsored by the oil companies.

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly


If the climate changes, regardless of what caused it, it's called climate change. If the earth has cycles, and we change from ice age to scorching heat, it is still climate change!

Who are the "global elite"?

I think most people would say that the most powerful people in the world are the oil cartels and the bankers, under them would be their enforcers, nations and their militaries. It's not even necessary to think that hard about it if you just look at the wars we've fought over the past quarter century or so.

With that in mind, who gains from this so called global warming agenda? Are a bunch of scientists really in position to thwart the elite I mentioned above?

Is the UN?

Really think about the UN for a minute. You know those people headquartered on US SOIL, funded in large part by the US, the ones that look away when the US is committing war crimes. We are the top dogs on this planet, everyone knows it... the UN is a facade that we all try to play nicey nicey in. Let's say the UN even managed to muster up every member state to gang up on us... we can literally take our ball and go home, the ball being the planet. No one could stop us, we might have some radiation to deal with for a while but eh...

So how's that global warming agenda coming along anyway? We have a few emissions standards in place? Okay... call me when we're bombing countries because they're burning fossil fuel.