'Several thousand' North Korean prisoners feared dead -

Along the lines of the poster above: Did we do anything in Rwanda, or in response? Machetes and schoolchildren.....need I say more....
Tetra

Nope, but someone in Hollywood made some money off the story, didn't they? Are there human cockroaches, and are they identified by the tribe they are born into?

reply to post by SLAYER69

That's EXACTLY what those on the DMZ have been keeping for decades. Peace

How can you equate ‘peace’ with what the DMZ are doing - or not doing - when it comes to the camps?

That the DMZ are 'keeping peace' (in a sense) is debatable - but what does it have to do with the camps?

As far as I can see - nothing. Unless I'm missing a point here it sounds apples and oranges.

On another note? Is it China's problem? You bet. But how do we make it their active problem? Make them do something about it?

peace

Originally posted by gottaknow
Ironic isn't it? How there can be another holocaust going on in this day and age and nothing is ever done about it. How easily people disregard it and joke about it regularly? Everyone thinks we've come so far and you see discussions about the likelihood of another possible holocaust and whether or not that could even happen again.
Well, it is clearly happening. And once again the majority of the world is choosing to ignore the plight of thousands of people.
Maybe it needs to be millions for action to be taken.

I'm sorry to say, but the only thing that this world, and our first world country societies has come far in is technology. We are probabely more selfish, more greedy, and more ignorant than before.

reply to post by silo13


This is what happens when you say everyone should have nuclear weapons. The ability to do anything disappears. As long as it's internal NK can do what they want to who they want and nothing can ever be done about it.

reply to post by 727Sky


Those workers in Siberia aren't political prisoners. They're just a normal labor force. They're all male aged between 30 and 45 and all have a family in NK. The reason for this is that they are less prone to trying to escape when they still have a family in NK. They´re not heavily guarded except for a few minders. The NK government has them rotated every year, and upon arrival back in NK they go through a re-education process which usually takes a few weeks.

The large Korean population in Siberia isn't only restricted to Siberia. They are actually Koryo Saram (Korean people). These are descendants from Korean people who came to Russia in the 18th and 19th century. You can find them throughout Russia. Also Kazakhstan has a large population of Koryo Saram.

I really wish there was an easy way of setting the North Korean people free. I am getting rather sick and tired of hearing about people being sent to prison and death camps simply because they do not agree with the way that the country is "run" (and I use that term very loosely).

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
I agree. It is hugely hypocritical of the USA to pick and choose which country to "liberate" based on their supply of oil. Zimbabwe is another country that needs justified regime change.

Afganistan has oil?

meh

www.foxnews.com...

top result posted in 2010, since then mobile phones have greatly improved including battery life

I brought this up with my friends a few weeks ago. Sad times indeed... nobody does a thing. What a disgusting society this is. Obviously Murdoch wants us focussing on other things..

Much love to ya, OP

Originally posted by silo13
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Maybe a little known fact is N.K. supplies political prisoners to Siberia (big Korean population there) for the lumber industry.

I'll see what I can dig up - if nothing more than to wrap my head around this a little more.

At the moment I'm left with a really sour taste in my mouth. All the people out there sobbing their little hearts out over a holocaust past - and doing dog squat about one taking place right before their eyes.

Then again - how am I much better? I wouldn’t even begin to know where to begin to help - or how - or if I could - which I doubt.

peace

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We help by not turning a blind eye and by keeping talking about it.
There are sooooooooooo many injustices in this world; we cannot fight it all at once on our own.

Wonder why Rodman, whom was just there, didnt know about this..
of course he is a little out there himself. Must be why he has Lil kim as a companion now

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
I agree. It is hugely hypocritical of the USA to pick and choose which country to "liberate" based on their supply of oil. Zimbabwe is another country that needs justified regime change.

Afganistan has oil?

Nope but has 97% of the world heroin production.

reply to post by silo13


"Thousands of North Korean prisoners may have died after a notorious prison camp larger than the size of London was closed at the end of last year"

And not a word from Obama regarding the subject! LoL

Where are the impending American air strikes??? LoL

I guess if its hunger and severe malnutrition that people die from that's ok because no Chemical weapons were used in the process of elimination!

reply to post by bugsbunny1967


Socialist principles do NOT advocate this type of atrocity by any stretch of the imagination, but I suppose people would think otherwise, bearing in mind that the only socialist nations anyone reads about are the horrifically skewed, perverted ones, which are actually not socialisms but dictatorships.

There is a difference, wether some amongst the right wing will believe that or not. The fact is that neither Russia, China, or indeed North Korea have actual socialisms at work. A truely socialist entity places all the power in the hands of those who would be powerless in a capitalist state. Unfortunately, there has never been a socialist nation which did not fall prey to racketeers who took it over and perverted it for thier own gain, or worse, learned socialism from the failed examples of the past.

Do NOT lump socialist thinkers in with socialist dictatorships. They are not the same thing, nor born of the same origin.

As a socialist, I find the existence of these camps to be a travesty of the highest order, and that says nothing of how I feel about the prospect that tens of thousands of people who were incarcerated in these locations may have been murdered for thier political beliefs. I am as disgusted as anyone else, of any political persuasion, that such a thing could have happened.

The reality is that every political organisation has psychopaths in it, and because of the nature of psychopaths they are often very successful, wether it be at stabbing people in the head, or getting ahead in the polls and the elections. It seems pretty clear to me that wether The Kim line is awash with hereditary predelictions toward those tendancies, or wether someone else is running the show with a gloved hand up the fat mans bottom, working him like a puppet, that acts like these just would not be undertaken by persons who had any level of empathy what so ever, any compassion of any kind.

Now, if we could please avoid muddying the issue by getting all xenophobic about socialism, rather than dealing with the actual issue at hand, which is the possibility that a mass murder has been enacted without a single word being spoken on the BBC or Sky News about it (in the UK as of 20:16 9/9/13) then I think this discussion might actually take us somewhere worth going. Feel free to entrench yourself if you couldnt care less about that sort of thing however.

reply to post by SLAYER69


The Alphabets wanted in on the prime poppy fields...that's better than oil.

I have no idea what to do, too...

While everyone else is doom and gloom over Syria, and I pick up the stories like this, my mind draws a blank and just watch my family and other people lap up the MSM like fresh cream to a kitten. And if I try to debate, they just stare at me and try to justify the 'reasons' they were spoon fed.

I just wish some people would stop whining about their holocaust so we can focus on the others going on.

Bilder
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I guess unless the prisoners were gassed and the North Koreans are sitting on top of resources the Western world isn't all that interested then again its always another potential warfront to take focus off all the other issues
Sorry Im not trying to sound callous but it is what it is
S&F

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N Korea is a totally different subject but is equally disturbing. The difference is there is no twitter, no cell service, these people, a whole people, millions, are brain washed from the time they are born. Never in history have we seen this accomplished on a country scale. It is mind boggling. Google the story of the young man who was born in that prison camp. It is an amazing story.

We know these places exist, we have satellite imagery of them. The problem is the west has absolute zero access, nothing can be independently verified. It is difficult to do anything to help these people, it would literally take a war to get access, and I doubt there is anyone who has stomach for that.

He might get war if he keeps acting the way he has. Yes, I think it is appalling that the people of the world sit by and let anyone die like this. It is pathetic and we all should do something. I don't know what the answer is i only know these folks don't respond to diplomacy at all.

At some point the world has to step up and say enough is enough. No more....

The Bot

dlbott

Bilder
reply to post by silo13

 

I guess unless the prisoners were gassed and the North Koreans are sitting on top of resources the Western world isn't all that interested then again its always another potential warfront to take focus off all the other issues
Sorry Im not trying to sound callous but it is what it is
S&F

edit on 8-9-2013 by Bilder because: (no reason given)

N Korea is a totally different subject but is equally disturbing. The difference is there is no twitter, no cell service, these people, a whole people, millions, are brain washed from the time they are born. Never in history have we seen this accomplished on a country scale. It is mind boggling. Google the story of the young man who was born in that prison camp. It is an amazing story.

We know these places exist, we have satellite imagery of them. The problem is the west has absolute zero access, nothing can be independently verified. It is difficult to do anything to help these people, it would literally take a war to get access, and I doubt there is anyone who has stomach for that.

He might get war if he keeps acting the way he has. Yes, I think it is appalling that the people of the world sit by and let anyone die like this. It is pathetic and we all should do something. I don't know what the answer is i only know these folks don't respond to diplomacy at all.

At some point the world has to step up and say enough is enough. No more....

The Bot

Great response, Bot, if I may say so. A few pages back, I talked about the story of the young man who escaped, in detail. His story is horrifying, truly, especially the betrayal fomented between him, his mother and a brother.

As far as people "dying" this way, how about people just living and being born this way....in and of itself. Perhaps, dying is better given those conditions, is my point.

As to your last, unfortunately, "the world" never seems to do this unless particular factions with the power to do something that will make a difference have a "vested" interest or something to be gained......
Hate being the one who says that, but it seems obvious already. After all, we didn't go into WWII because of the concentration camps. The camps were known about long before our involvement, after all. It was because of Hitler's goals to "take over the world," and his march onwards, at that point successful, to do so...that and the bombing, wholesale, 24/7 of London and Great Britain...
Respectfully,
Tetra50

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"The difference is there is no twitter, no cell service, these people, a whole people, millions, are brain washed from the time they are born."

Are you suggesting that the inception of the internet, twitter and cell phones somehow frees us from mind control?

Twitter, cell phones and all the rest of the so called communication services actually promote control over the masses aka brain washing.

I do however agree the regime in NK has to end, I just think people in glass houses aka the west shouldn't throw stones.

We are not that long after ethnically cleansing most of the former Yugoslavia before that we have Stalins slaughter of between 20 to 60 million people and before that the Nazis I do believe killed 6 million Jews!

Then you add the fact that slavery was only abolished around 1833 and we don't really carry that much credibility considering our recent history.

Would you listen to the West if you were NK?

reply to post by andy06shake


stellar point, andy...
tetra

It has been noted that the Korean War never actually ended. (re: DMZ) That is Six decades in a standoff.

Don't wrack your brain trying to come up with a solution here and now.

For the last 60 years the people of NK have been told that the capitalist pig-dog Westerners are coming for them... to kill them all, or worse.

Would the people of NK view intervention as help? Probably not. They would more likely see it as an invasion. Appearances suggest they would be more afraid of defying the "state" than any foreign aggressors, especially Americans.

Can 60 years of statist programming be undone?
We may not view the people of NK as an enemy, but it is doubtful that the feeling is mutual.