Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

Unit 3 Cesium Groundwater Jump

From Moch:

According to Tepco, Cesium-134/137 density became 12 times much as last measurement in groundwater. The sampling location was the seaside of reactor3.

On 3/6/2014, Cesium-134/137 density was 5,700 Bq/m3. It went up to 67,000 Bq/m3 on 3/11/2014.

Tepco states it is possibly because “some radioactive substance” was mixed with the groundwater sample, didn’t mention the possibility of further leakage or unknown reaction underground.

fukushima-diary.com...

Related to Unit 3 SFP temp increase that started on March 1???

Latest temp 20.5.

www.tepco.co.jp...

- Purple Chive

the " we are so safe now " JAP "government", ...Restarting the reactors idea , here there and everywhere, does not answer:

HOW IS THE WASTE (spent in the industry terms) fuel get safely disposed of ?( and how much is already in storage atop the reactors)

IS there enough cooling capacity at every plant to cover the cooling requirements of of even one reactor in meltdown?

Can the industry address the problems of surface boiling? ( is it possible to control in any nuke chemistry physics scenario)? a problem that means ANY COOLING/CONTAINMENT LAPSE OR FAILURE ANYWHERE means uncontrollable toxic release in massive amounts

Fukushima KILLED JAPAN,pulling a few inches of top soil off here and there as a publicity stunt cannot change the shape of reality

nuclear power has ruined the continent of honshu. in the near terms and long , and has already subjected MILLIONS to early painfiilled death. not to mention turning an entire zone into a toxic waste.

I grieve for the Japanese. they are a tough and honorable people where respect is a watch word , examples for us all as humans, but now subject to the silent death by those with no honor . and no other drive than self interest or PURE greed.

Unit 1 SFP Coolant System to Stop for 11 Days

Ok I've got to remember this if the temps start to rise - thanks for the notification Moch.

From Moch:

The coolant system of reactor1 spent fuel pool will be suspended for 11 days from 3/14/2014 due to the installation.

fukushima-diary.com...

So far there hasn't been any temp rise in Unit 1 SFP.

www.tepco.co.jp...

I can't find any mention that they stopped the coolant system for Unit 3...now at 21.4

I found this article ex-skf posted Jan.1, 2014:
www.tepco.co.jp...

Unit 3 SFP video:



And a comment by Chris Harris:

enenews.com...

Sorry for harping on this temp rise in Unit 3 SFP ...I'd just like an explanation has to why...

(Good to hear from you Silver!!)

- Purple Chive

Silverlok
the " we are so safe now " JAP "government", ...

Many people find the term 'Jap' highly offensive. I'd suggest that you edit that.

wishes
considering it was a 9 plus quake there should have been a lot of damage done from the earthquake but that photos only show tsunami damages.

Japan has probably some of the best (if not the best) infrastructure in the world regarding earthquake protection. Very few modern houses fell due to earthquake damage. It does not surprise me at all.

Silverlok
Fukushima KILLED JAPAN

Stop being a massive drama queen. Life is going on pretty much like normal.

Alekto

wishes
considering it was a 9 plus quake there should have been a lot of damage done from the earthquake but that photos only show tsunami damages.

Japan has probably some of the best (if not the best) infrastructure in the world regarding earthquake protection. Very few modern houses fell due to earthquake damage. It does not surprise me at all.

"Very few modern houses fell"? Then how about a photo of just 'one' modern (or older) one that did fall (or even crack) from the earthquake and not the tsunami as was the challenge stated. Not all buildings and garages, etc. in all areas can possibly sustain a 9+ earthquake - the challenge was to find "any" photos proving earthquake damage, not just buildings. No photos to prove it? Not surprised. Talk is cheap. :-)

As for being offended by the term "Jap" - it's an abbreviation. Being called/referred to as "nips" would be considered a racial slur and inappropriate. Is like calling Californians "Cali's" or any other abbreviation. Get over it.

Thanks for dropping by :-)

au.ibtimes.com...

Scientists Baffled over Fukushima Radiation Found in Park in B.C., Canada

Radioactive activity from Fukushima has reached Fraser River Valley in Vancouver, British Columbia in Canada. Although the scientists uncovered very low levels of cesium-134 in the soil, they remain baffled as to how it arrived in the area.

"It's inland, so it could not come in from the ocean, since the water flows the other way," he said.

Scientists are speculating a number of guesses - it could have been airborne, landed on a hill or mountain and been washed down to the river.

"It's actually quite unexpected that we found it in soil so far inland," Mr Starosta said. "Common wisdom would be that Caesium would come through the ocean."

I just can't say "DUH" loud enough... Yeah, yeah, low levels blah blah blah - let's see what the tests show next year and the year after that for the next umpteen decades - It's 50-100 miles inland so it came from the air and/or rain which 'we' in western British Columbia get a lot of. The Fraser Valley is THE major agricultural area mass for British Columbia - and for the record I don't want to be eating ANY Fukushima radiation! Is up to private testing, governments aren't lifting a finger on this one (on purpose). I'd be super surprised if there wasn't radiation from Fukushima all over the western continent. Should be good business coming up for the cancer 'control' agencies though. Yeah, back to Bieber and Football...

Alekto

wishes
considering it was a 9 plus quake there should have been a lot of damage done from the earthquake but that photos only show tsunami damages.

Japan has probably some of the best (if not the best) infrastructure in the world regarding earthquake protection. Very few modern houses fell due to earthquake damage. It does not surprise me at all.

Let me get this right.

You have four reactors out of control and you are proud of your infrastructure? Really?

Best in the world ......... doesn't look like it from where I am sitting.

P

pheonix358

Alekto

wishes
considering it was a 9 plus quake there should have been a lot of damage done from the earthquake but that photos only show tsunami damages.

Japan has probably some of the best (if not the best) infrastructure in the world regarding earthquake protection. Very few modern houses fell due to earthquake damage. It does not surprise me at all.

Let me get this right.

You have four reactors out of control and you are proud of your infrastructure? Really?

Best in the world ......... doesn't look like it from where I am sitting.

P

Well your sitting in the wrong seat. The reactors in Japan were built very sturdy be it not sturdy enough. Power plants in the USA are usually only built to withstand a M5 or below some are a little more some are less. If that magnitude of earthquake hit any where in the world that close to a Nuclear power plant, you would have had more damage than what happened at Fukushima. It just goes to show that you can build something that mother nature can't tear down.

reply to post by BGTM90


That is one way to look at it.

Another would be that the US Nuclear Industry is just as mind boggling stupid as their Japanese counterparts.

Building Reactors on Fault lines is an EPIC FAIL, it is just so stupid. This HAD to happen, and the industry knew that, and could not care bloody less as long as the profits came rolling in.

If anyone cannot see this as the truth, then frankly, they are a big part of the problem.

P

Purplechive
Unit 1 SFP Coolant System to Stop for 11 Days

Ok I've got to remember this if the temps start to rise - thanks for the notification Moch.

From Moch:

The coolant system of reactor1 spent fuel pool will be suspended for 11 days from 3/14/2014 due to the installation.

fukushima-diary.com...

So far there hasn't been any temp rise in Unit 1 SFP.

www.tepco.co.jp...

I can't find any mention that they stopped the coolant system for Unit 3...now at 21.4

I found this article ex-skf posted Jan.1, 2014:
www.tepco.co.jp...

Unit 3 SFP video:

And a comment by Chris Harris:

enenews.com...

Sorry for harping on this temp rise in Unit 3 SFP ...I'd just like an explanation has to why...

(Good to hear from you Silver!!)

- Purple Chive

edit on 16-3-2014 by Purplechive because: (no reason given)

Next to the SFP temp for Unit 1 they have an "*5"...

※5：Alternative cooling equipment of the Fuel Pool of Unit 1 is stopped. Therefore, Temperature in the spent fuel pool and FPC skimmer surge tank level of Unit 1 show close data. The expected temperature increase at the SFP water is around 0.066℃/h

They don't state that the cooling system for Unit 3 has stopped....now temp is 21.6.

www.tepco.co.jp...

So something is going on with cooling the spent fuel rods in Unit 3...ya mind explaining what is going on TEPCO???

- Purple Chive

pheonix358
Let me get this right.

You have four reactors out of control and you are proud of your infrastructure? Really?

Best in the world ......... doesn't look like it from where I am sitting.

P

The reactor was hit by not one but two once-in-a-lifetime natural disasters,simultaneously and didn't explode. It's probably safe to chalk that one up as a win. The only person to die was as a result of a propane explosion.

The Fukushima plant survived a whole gamut of events just to be done in by stupidly placed backup generators that aren't even necessary in newer designs. Seriously, the plant exceeded it's design spec in many ways.

It WAS secure against earthquakes.

pheonix358


Building Reactors on Fault lines is an EPIC FAIL, it is just so stupid.
P

The whole of Japan is situated on a fault line. Where would you have them build one?

wishes


As for being offended by the term "Jap" - it's an abbreviation. Being called/referred to as "nips" would be considered a racial slur and inappropriate. Is like calling Californians "Cali's" or any other abbreviation. Get over it.

Thanks for dropping by :-)

edit on 16-3-2014 by wishes because: (no reason given)

Many JAPANESE people find the term 'Jap' offensive. As you are not yourself Japanese, it's not in your remit to decide what others could potentially find offensive. Many people do find it offensive. I suggest you sort out your attitude.

pheonix358

Another would be that the US Nuclear Industry is just as mind boggling stupid as their Japanese counterparts.

Seems that they are.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Uphill
So if there's a moderate quake around there, the spent fuel pool should still stay aloft.

There are 'moderate quakes' around there every few hours and will be for decades.

Alekto

wishes


As for being offended by the term "Jap" - it's an abbreviation. Being called/referred to as "nips" would be considered a racial slur and inappropriate. Is like calling Californians "Cali's" or any other abbreviation. Get over it.

Thanks for dropping by :-)

edit on 16-3-2014 by wishes because: (no reason given)

Many JAPANESE people find the term 'Jap' offensive. As you are not yourself Japanese, it's not in your remit to decide what others could potentially find offensive. Many people do find it offensive. I suggest you sort out your attitude.

If I were in Japan I would be more mindful of the 'many' who might find it offensive. However I'm in North America and it is common 'here' where we live and where this website originates to refer to Czechlovakians as Czechs, British people as Brits, Canadians as Canucks etc. etc. and none of them/us mind! It's no big deal! It is not an offensive term (like nips is) and people who are offended by it are over-reacting and need a bigger purpose in life.

If it bothers you that much I suggest you write a book or go on national tv and complain about it, I'm sure its more newsworthy than the Fukushima effects, maybe you could even get on prime time :-)

How about getting perturbed by all the lies from Tepco and the Government instead? Or are you completely complacent and believe everything they say like a good brainwashed citizen should? They have many tactics to keep people divided and distracted. In case you haven't noticed you are helping them meet that end. And regrettably so do I by continuing to respond to these silly posts.

reply to post by pheonix358


No, they are not stupid just very good at making money and making the industry seem viable, it is their job after all. You think GE did't think about what could happen building a reactor on a subduction zone known to have very large earthquakes and tsunamis? They knew the risk but the money was to good to turn down.

Alekto

pheonix358
Let me get this right.

You have four reactors out of control and you are proud of your infrastructure? Really?

Best in the world ......... doesn't look like it from where I am sitting.

P

The reactor was hit by not one but two once-in-a-lifetime natural disasters,simultaneously and didn't explode. It's probably safe to chalk that one up as a win. The only person to die was as a result of a propane explosion.

The Fukushima plant survived a whole gamut of events just to be done in by stupidly placed backup generators that aren't even necessary in newer designs. Seriously, the plant exceeded it's design spec in many ways.

It WAS secure against earthquakes.

So it is OK to have reactor buildings blowing up, once in a lifetime. That would mean that at any one time we can have one of these devastating situations ongoing. I am not happy with that logic.

It WAS NOT secure against earthquakes because it is a bloody big mess after an earthquake!

I am very happy to see you label the designers as stupid, they were. The plant blew up due to their stupidity. That is a very big error to make.

P