Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

Rut-roe-rorge........

www.japantimes.co.jp...-BZ

Setback at Fukushima No. 1 plant threatens reactor 3 rod removal
KYODO
MAR 27, 2015

Tokyo Electric Power Co. has disclosed that a 35-ton piece of machinery debris might be resting on the inner gate of the spent fuel pool for reactor 3 of the Fukushima No. 1 power plant and that the gate is slightly out of position.

Tepco said Thursday that a fuel-handling machine dislodged during the March 2011 quake, tsunami and meltdown-triggered hydrogen explosions is touching one of two gates that stand between the pool and the reactor containment vessel.

The utility confirmed by underwater camera that both of the 8-meter-high, 1.6-meter-wide gates are slightly out of position but said the pool remains properly sealed due to water pressure and does not appear to be leaking.

More at the link..

a reply to: matadoor

In your opinion, what are the chance's of something really bad happening?

With the stories about the Die-offs and the toxic whales, we may be calling the Pacific, "The Dead Ocean"

a reply to: crappiekat

I honestly am not sure. After hearing that Russia's been sinking reactors and various radioactive debris in the Atlantic, I've decided that I'm no longer eating seafood. There doesn't appear to be any place on the planet that isn't contaminated.

M.

originally posted by: matadoor
Rut-roe-rorge........

www.japantimes.co.jp...-BZ

Setback at Fukushima No. 1 plant threatens reactor 3 rod removal
KYODO
MAR 27, 2015

Tokyo Electric Power Co. has disclosed that a 35-ton piece of machinery debris might be resting on the inner gate of the spent fuel pool for reactor 3 of the Fukushima No. 1 power plant and that the gate is slightly out of position.

'spent pool reactor 3 of the fuku No. 1 power plant'...erm..disinfo a bit much , or perhaps one can describe what is being defined here in more detail ( seriously with the , life defying ban on reporting fuku-daiichi imposed where and what does this nonsensical statement mean?

a reply to: Silverlok

Well, unless any of us wishes to take a more detailed tour of the plant itself, of course without Tepco's permission (and with a borrowed suit from Ironman for protection), I'm not exactly sure how someone would be able to describe this in more detail.

Me personally, am happy that we get any information we can.

M

As if this is news. From the Times of London via ENE;

www.thetimes.co.uk...

The chief of the Fukushima nuclear power station has admitted that the technology needed to decommission three melted-down reactors does not exist, and he has no idea how it will be developed. In a stark reminder of the challenge facing the Japanese authorities, Akira Ono conceded that the stated goal of decommissioning the plant by 2051 may be impossible without a giant technological leap. “There are so many uncertainties involved. We need to develop many, many technologies,” Mr Ono said.

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Now compare that to Abe saying everything is under control. Way to go Abe.

originally posted by: crappiekat
a reply to: matadoor

In your opinion, what are the chance's of something really bad happening?

With the stories about the Die-offs and the toxic whales, we may be calling the Pacific, "The Dead Ocean"

The problem is that something really bad is already happening and the world is being put into a slumber to ignore it.

Concerning the future I feel very unsettled when considering what will happen as Fuku keeps bleeding into the ocean and air. At this point one can only assume that we are on a slippery slope heading downhill fast. And its not doomporn from alarmists as pro nukers keep claiming. As the quote from Ono clearly states there is no way to clean up the corium and decontaminate the site.

Also, Silverlok, the Japanese press sometimes calls Daiichi Fukushima #1 and Daini Fukushima #2 so Im assuming thats what is meant there.

a reply to: matadoor

Relax ace, the important party of the 'dis-info much' was aimed at Tepco: "pools at three" are not part of "..one", the name association game here is the interesting factor. Clearly they are worried about ANY INFO ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THREE FROM BECOMING PUBLIC DOMAIN.
The level of deception Tepco has propagated to this point has established a 'PATTERN of behavior' that...

IS CLEARLY DEFINED BY WHAT THEY DON"T SAY , WHAT THEY DON'T WANT SAID ( the gag on local media, which would be a terrorist or otherwise FASCIST action IN ANY COUNTRY under ANY circumstance )...


AND HOW THAT HAS BECOME PART OF THE DISINFORMATION PUBLIC "RELATIONS" campaign that is the nature of Tepco's silent or "blank" info areas . When they release you should damn well be checking every fact available, because now , and for ever more , all they are doing is spinning a situation THAT IS SO TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL TEPCO HAS BASICALLY GIVEN UP ON ANY REMEDIATION BECAUSE IT HAS NOW BECOME "TOO expensive".

They admitted to ONe melting out AFTER FOUR YEARS, but three , three is a whole different ball of wax.


ON edit again, to be VERY clear; what happened at ( the explosion of ) three ( and it's pool ) is either the death bell for the nuclear industry or it is the death bell for the human race....we have over four hundred nuclear reactors world wide with an average of multiple tons/ reactor of "spent" rods in uncontained 'waste' pools over them AND NO PLAN IN SITE TO REDUCE THE Risks involved...and no tech available for the forseeable future to clean up "unforeseen consequences"

a reply to: matadoor
Another problem with this statement of Tepco's is that nothing is left above the deck at three ....if a "35-ton piece of ( unidentified ) equipment is "touching" ( a loving and gentle touching right? ) BOTH gates how is this A) physically possible and ( if a is true , not ) B) structurally detrimental ( water tanks tend to deform , and hence leak , if even minorly distorted , especially under 30+ tons being catastrophically "reorganized" on top of them )

posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 10:46 PM
a link to the past : ( april 5 2011 ) www.abovetopsecret.com...
SFA437:
" Keep in mind CBIRF teams are still inbound to Tokyo.

There was a TV show on tonight that had the CBIRF in it as a part of a fictitious nuclear detonation in Washington DC. The Marine (actual CBIRF Marine) stated quite clearly their core mission- to train for a worst case scenario and that they have no other duties or jobs other than constant training for operations in an NBC environment.

They aren't going in force to Fukushima and that in and of itself is very telling. Don't be fooled for a second that the world governments don't know exactly what is going on. They do and they are looking out for #1 and tossing the rest of us under the bus.

Not trying to sound all tinfoil hat but speaking as plainly as I can. "

FOR those of you that do not know NBC is NUCLEAR , Biological , chemical , so "they" were sending special forces troops to train (eslewhere) not as helpers or rescuers , but simply for using fuku ( data) as a training ground for what was KNOWN AT THAT TIME TO BE A HIGHLY NBC DANGEROUS ZONE

Another Blast from the past( 3-30-2011) :

SFA437 april 4, 2011:

"From the get-go on this I figured it was going to be bad. I don't know a lot about the ins & outs but I do have a good working knowledge of NBC response and saw from day 1 TEPCO was lying their butts off to protect the corporation at the expense of the people.

I can't say it strongly enough- the time has come for TEPCO to finally admit the truth...

That things are so far out of control that it will not be regained.

That this will not be measured in months or years but in generations.

That the Pacific is being poisoned on a level that was unthinkable just last month.

That they need help- every bit of it that the world can provide.

Not going to happen of course which does nothing but aggravate my ulcers. There's a line from Men In Black that is quite appropriate and seems to be the party line for TEPCO, NISA, IAEA and the GoJ :

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

My reply to TEPCO et. al. is "Tomorrow is here and I know that your lies and misdirection has damned your country to become uninhabitable in the insane pursuit of profit and of saving face. You are a disgrace to your country, to your race and to humanity. Words like honor and duty have no meaning to the likes of you and you are beneath the contempt of the planet which you have irreparably poisoned. My you reap in the next life what you have sown in this one."

I think it's important to remember the beautiful people still suffering at the hands of Fuku. This article does a good job of highlighting what its like to be a refugee in your own country. From Fukushima update, a couple of quotes;

fukushimaupdate.com...

At any rate, the area in which his house stands has been designated a site for an interim storage facility, where radioactive soil and other debris, contaminated by fallout from the nuclear disaster, will eventually be collected. When he thinks about that, he almost feels flattened by the weight of reality, which dictates he will never be able to return to his former peaceful life, Sato said.

He said he was used to seeing his town ebullient with the construction and operation of the nuclear plant since he was in his 20s.

“I never imagined the nuclear plant, which brought liveliness to our town, could bare its teeth and turn on us this fiercely,” Sato said with a sigh. “During the last four years, we have literally been trampled upon and kicked around”–a Japanese idiom for a string of misfortunes.

His son looks down at Sato and his wife from a photograph in a corner of a room in a temporary housing unit in the nearby city of Iwaki, where they have lived for three years.

“The winter cold is hard on me because the walls and the floors are so thin,” Sato said. “We go shopping at a supermarket, but when we stock up on a lot of things, people view us temporary housing occupants as ‘nuclear disaster upstarts’ who are profiteering from compensation payments. That’s also sad.”

He added, “We have lost our home and our son and, as if that were not enough, our hometown is being turned into an accumulation site for radioactive soil. I just hope people will understand, if only a little, about how we feel.”

From gnssn.iaea.org... List%3Ddaac0578-04dc-4dc6-8ff1-0f52c97dae57%26View%3Dae2ee489-6c78-46da-ab3f-0b6b86e9fa33%26RootFolder%3D%252FNSNI%252FEaT%252FTM%252Flectures%252FMtU %252Fd4p2-tuomisto-assessing%26CurrentPage%3D1

In 2012 the IAEA estimated that the size of the corium pools (in reactors 1,2 and 3) could be anywhere from 35 to 50 feet in diameter, and 20-23 ft deep — or even deeper.”

In other words, volume wise, bigger than a short course olympic swimming pool times three. Now consider that the plutonium pit in a nuclear warhead is the size of a boccie ball and it begins to put the danger we are in into perspective.

a reply to: zworld

IAEA pool estimates PUBLIC RELEASE IN 2012 link( you know so we can all share according to ats posting rules) ? and in perspective, in your opinion WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD?

Pictures Say a Thousand Words...

www.bostonglobe.com...#


- Purple Chive

originally posted by: Silverlok
a reply to: zworld

IAEA pool estimates PUBLIC RELEASE IN 2012 link( you know so we can all share according to ats posting rules) ? and in perspective, in your opinion WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD?

The link provided is the actual presentation where the presenter gives the estimation of the corium mass. It has alot of other interesting stuff so I linked to the actual presentation instead of the article brief in either ENE or SimplyInfo (it was in one of those).

Concerning the future I dont see how we could have anything less than continued flush of radionuclides from the site into the ocean and atmosphere for hundreds if not thousands of years. I also think we run the risk of a potential explosion of some kind that could release the lions share of contaminants still on site. If that were to occur we can pretty much call it game over.

www.statesmanjournal.com...

Seaborne radiation from Japan's Fukushima nuclear disaster has reached North America.

Scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution detected small amounts of cesium-134 and cesium-137 in a sample of seawater taken in February from a dock on Vancouver Island, British Columbia.

It's the first time radioactivity from the March 2011 triple meltdown has been identified on West Coast shores.

Woods Hole chemical oceanographer Ken Buesseler emphasized that the radiation is at very low levels that aren't expected to harm human health or the environment.

"Even if the levels were twice as high, you could still swim in the ocean for six hours every day for a year and receive a dose more than a thousand times less than a single dental X-ray," Buesseler said. "While that's not zero, that's a very low risk."

Edited to correct the way my opinion was reading, and also to add that you need to read the comments.
More at the link, but my personal opinion, I'm not swimming in that ocean for 6 hours.

And another source....

www.ctvnews.ca...

First low-level trace of Fukushima radioactivity detected off B.C.

Small-level radioactive isotopes from the Fukushima power plant have turned up off Vancouver Island. Jett Bassi reports.

Published Monday, April 6, 2015 9:02AM EDT
For the first time, scientists have detected small amounts of radioactivity in seawater along the shores of British Columbia that can be traced back to the 2011 Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant disaster. But the levels are so low they are likely of little concern.
Scientists with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) in Massachusetts reported Monday that a water sample collected in mid-February from a dock in Ucluelet, on British Columbia's Vancouver Island, contained trace amounts of cesium-134 and cesium-137 – isotopes that only come from human sources.
However, the levels detected in the sample were so low that even if someone were to swim for six hours a day, every day of the year in water containing twice as much cesium, the radiation received would still be 1,000 times less than what they would receive from a single dental X-ray.

About the same, different source, thought it was relevant.

More at the link....

M

Here's another story M from the other side of the pond. As our government doesn't care enough to test for radioactive substances off our coast, its politics and business as usual in Fukuland as well. The Japanese government is taking a page from our book. All one has to do to screw over an entire population is change the law. There's enough radioactive material at Daiichi to contaminate the entire planet, but not enough to keep the government from forcing people to live nearby. That is so American of them.

From ajw.asahi.com...

“The government has selfishly raised the limit on annual public radiation exposure from 1 millisievert set before the nuclear crisis to 20 millisieverts, having residents return to their homes still exposed to high doses of radiation,” said Kenji Fukuda, an attorney representing the plaintiffs. “This is an illegal act that violates the residents’ right to a healthy environment guaranteed by the Constitution and international human rights laws.”

A public relations official at the government’s nuclear disaster response headquarters denied the government had put residents in danger. “Annual radiation exposure levels in all areas that were previously issued the advisories have fallen below 20 millisieverts following decontamination procedures,” the official said. “With the radiation levels unlikely to have a significant effect on the residents’ health, we have called off the advisories by going through legal procedures.”