Americans, Remember This Day!

Originally posted by AlienScience
reply to post by Dreine

 

So people were mad when they thought Obama would go ahead with the strike without Congressional approval...and now people are mad that Obama went to go get Congressional authority and it looks like they will approve it.

You, as a citizen, have no say in these votes. Your say is on election day, and that is all. If you disapprove with the way your representative or senator, vote him out on the next election day. As a citizen, that is your only power granted to you by the Constitution.

The system is working exactly how it was designed.

Yes, it's not so much the system as the people the system represents. Increasingly less intelligent, increasingly easy to lead around as sheep from both sides. The middle has dwindled and the trash from both ends is converging.

Dreine

Which means they have no fear of the people, the government is now fully in charge and will do as it pleases without hesitation.

They have been fully in charge and acting with impunity for a while now. I first realized it when Janet Reno killed all those people with impunity in Waco and she exterminated them without a single tear. Kosovo and Libya were other examples outside of the US borders.

Originally posted by Scorchio
Absolute lunacy.

Is there no process for ending the presidents term, based on incompetence or corruption?

I would see it as the responsibility of every american to now canvas the local population to vote out the republicans and democrats. Things will never improve if you continue with these gangsters.

They didn't end Bush's. Why end his carbon copy?

reply to post by Dreine

The precise point I am referring to is the fact that a high ranking Cabinet member said point blank on national television that the President of the United States of America will do what he wants even without Congressional approval, an approval that he MUST have according to the United States Constitution.

What he actually said is that the President would still have the authority to strike even if Congress doesn't vote for approval, not that he would for sure strike.

And the Constitution does not actually say that, it says only Congress can declare war, but this isn't declaring war. The War Powers Act gives the President to use military force when he sees fit, he doesn't need Congressional approval.

Originally posted by Maluhia
The NSA gathered dirt on so many members has been used as "leverage" against those who may disagree because too many with real power stand to profit from the war machine.

Well, except for a few real dummies, who actually do believe what they are being fed.

There is no other explanation.

edit on 3-9-2013 by Maluhia because: (no reason given)

I believe this has probably been going on a long time and the blackmail is probably also from foreign intelligence services. Do the math..

Let's face it- "President" Obama has his own personal agenda.Obamacare is a glaring example of this-most Americans did not want it and he said "blank you" and shoved it down our throats anyway.....
Now Russia, China, Iran and even our ally Great Britain have told him to back off on the Syria situation-a sentiment shared by many American citizens and politicians as well-and he's saying "blank you" and is probably going to do it anyway....
He seems hell-bent on leading us straight into nuclear armageddon...

Originally posted by Dreine
reply to post by links234

 

The War Powers Act is an abomination and should be stricken from our laws.

Executive Orders have a time and place... sending this nation to war is far beyond what any one man should be able to do.

But it isn't stricken from our laws, it is in fact current law.

It doesn't matter that you don't like it or disagree with it, it is the current law and following it is perfectly legal.

A team of U.N. experts who visited Syria last month to investigate allegations of chemical weapons had originally planned to visit Khan al-Assal but ended up focusing on a much larger apparent poison gas attack which killed hundreds of civilians in suburbs of the capital Damascus on August 21.

Mr Ayrault made public France's nine-page report into the incident, drawn up by military and foreign intelligence services.

Who in this meeting of the minds has this report? Who has it, and can I see it? Or is it top secret? Anyone know?

reply to post by Dreine


I'm not ready to hail to the king just yet. Yes, this was painful to watch. It appears the political theater is in full swing. Some of the actors aren't even very convincing.

Is it just me or did anyone else have the urge to smack that smirk off of McCain's face?

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Dreine

 

I'm not ready to hail to the king just yet. Yes, this was painful to watch. It appears the political theater is in full swing. Some of the actors aren't even very convincing.

Is it just me or did anyone else have the urge to smack that smirk off of McCain's face?

Quite a few times.

I also thought that his joking back in forth with his fellow John (Kerry) was in poor form considering the gravity of what was being discussed.

Also interesting was watching the Johns squirm and squint as Rand Paul was making his case and asking questions. Kerry has no poker face at all.

reply to post by seabag


Ooh Rah

That guy is a major disappointment.



So are all the other war mongering republican and democrat lapdogs getting in line with this.

Pitchforks anyone?

Originally posted by AlienScience

Originally posted by Dreine
reply to post by links234

 

The War Powers Act is an abomination and should be stricken from our laws.

Executive Orders have a time and place... sending this nation to war is far beyond what any one man should be able to do.

But it isn't stricken from our laws, it is in fact current law.

It doesn't matter that you don't like it or disagree with it, it is the current law and following it is perfectly legal.

True, but I would submit to you that being legal is not the same as being right.

It is never a good idea to involve yourself in a military situation when you have no clearly established end state/exit strategy, no credible threat to American lives/interests, and no clear idea of which side is truly your enemy.

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According to Pentagon Sources * , the Price for Military Action in Syria will be 1 Billion a Month . I wonder if the Chinese are having Second Thoughts about lending US that Money.........

does it even matter what we say or think or will it be OTP'd to keep the discussion moving in one direction, dismissing the chance of variables !

Wow, I really hate John McCain, every time Rand mentions the constitution in that video, McCain gets a sneer on his face, and just pretends like he doesn't even hear the word.

Just watch McCain while Rand speaks, that tells it all for me really.

Article 5 of the constitution

TextThe Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Here is the answer to our republics problem.
We must go over the ruling classes head, and reign in their power.

Article 5 does not allow for a " constitutional convention".
It allows for the states to call a " convention for proposing amendments".

What if there is a runaway convention? You ask.
Three fourths of the states must ratify.
And the federal government has already ran away with all of the power.

The statists are not going to limit their own power.
We must do it for them.

I've known this for a long time. What the American people can do is not vote for anyone who said this was ok when its time to reelect. Then lets see if it works. But people forget, and these guys know that advertising works so why should they care. They have a psychological hold on citizens because citizens believe media and let words speak louder than actions.


The purpose of this government has been twisted beyond repair unless the people do something (starting by not voting these clowns in - like the one whispering next to Rand and playing with his cell phone during this critical time). If they do this and continue to be voted in shame on us. In the meanwhile what can the people do when this happens? I am not even sure but if they were allowed to eject officials not voting in the majority interest would they do it? If not, that's like saying its ok. Sound familiar?

Definite F & S because you're so right! I was just saying the same thing to a friend of mine. Over 90% polled said NO to this war.

But, I feel our rights and majority vote ended a long time ago !! It just really became obvious when we told Bush NO on the bail-outs. 300 - 1 is the number I got and of course they bailed twice!!!!

They've been doing what they want for a long time now... It's just that America's finally waking up to this monster we've allowed go!!!!

Stand by, for heavy rolls.

America is now approaching, the perfect storm!

F.T.G.

Originally posted by eXia7
Wow, I really hate John McCain, every time Rand mentions the constitution in that video, McCain gets a sneer on his face, and just pretends like he doesn't even hear the word.

Just watch McCain while Rand speaks, that tells it all for me really.

McCain knew it was dead cert that the motion would pass and the "hearing" and vote was merely window dressing. He couldn't even be bothered to pay attention for part of the hearing as it seems he was more bothered about playing poker on his iPhone!

www.washingtonpost.com...

Senator John McCain plays poker on his IPhone during a U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearing where Secretary of State JohnKerry, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey testify concerning the use of force in Syria, on Capitol Hill in Washington DC, Tuesday, September 3, 2013.