The Yawning Maw of the Abyss

Obama has been playing and shifting the political sands over the last few days. He has been searching for a way to gain compliance of the people's in Western nations for a strike on Syria.

Firstly, it was about a humanitarian response to chemical weapon use, but the evidence did not indicate the real perpetrator, and so on legal and moral (world) grounds he could not strike Syria. Whatever tin pot law America possesses for its own country has no legal bearing on the world stage. Even if American law allows Obama to strike Syria, it is defunct beyond American borders. The true stage that sets legal and moral global law is the UN, where a global consensus is to be achieved for what action to take against another sovereign country.

The UN is the forum where the political leaders of countries can debate and argue their cases without resorting to military action upon each other, or in the case Syria, how to act for the Syrian people?

Today, however, Obama has indicated his real reason for military strikes upon Syria...regime change. It was never about a humanitarian response. It was never about caring for the Syrian people. It was always about removing Assad.

It is not just the people's of Western nations that stand in the way of Obama's plan for regime change, Assad has allies, particularly Russia, Iran, and China through Iran. Now that Obama has shown his true indication and intention towards Syria, it makes void the humanitarian reasons for strikes on Syria. His reasons may have more to do with saving the Petrodollar rather than the Syrian people, but he had to play the humanitarian card for the edification of Western peoples, as a humanitarian response in the form of a military strike would resonate with many people. Afterall, whom would not want to see the Syrian people saved from further chemical weapon use upon them?

Even so, many people's of Western nations did not trust this excuse. Bush and Blair led the West into conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan on lies and false pretexts, and the behaviour of politicians since 9/11 has shown them to be very untrustworthy, so people did not and do not believe Obama or Cameron. The British people whom did not want to see the British military used in Syria saw their will accepted by the British parliament in the first demonstration of 'real' democracy in last couple of decades.

Britain's non-military involvement in Syria took the wind out of Obama's sails, in fact it surprised the whole world, not least of which the British people, but was accepted gladly. However, the stalling of Obama's regime change plan was soon picking up momentum again.

Obama's use of a humanitarian response for the Syrian people has been ejected and thrown aside...it is now irrelevant, and always was. Regime change, the removal of Assad was the plan from the very beginning, and the drum beat for it is getting louder.

This has taken the ground from underneath Putin. He can no longer argue against military action on humanitarian grounds because the evidence (real or not) for it is irrelevant now. Putin now has to react to the idea of regime change on an ally. His political ground can no longer challenge for evidence, he now has to support Assad, or stand aside and be perceived as weak.

This is the point we are at now.

The world stands at the very edge of the abyss. Its yawning dark maw pulling at our feet, entrancing our species to fall in. If you were Putin, what would you do?

Would you stand on principle and defend Assad, knowing that it would lead to World War 3, and the probable destruction of most nations in the northern hemisphere, or would you back away believing that such destruction is too much a cost to the world, and allow Assad to be taken out?

I want you to read this:

The sweet and deadly sides of President Assad

But we have in the West no reason to be complacent. Let us consider the following exchange of emails, as reported in the Guardian: “Check out this video on YouTube.” “Hahahahahahaha, OMG!!! This is amazing!” This could be any two young members of the British middle classes communicating with one another by email. In fact, it is Bashar al-Assad and his wife. Shallowness is international, and if I may be permitted a Sam Goldwyn paradox, getting deeper.

Read the rest of it first. I just posted this in particular because it makes you wonder if they haven't gone completely and utterly bonkers.

But that article should give you a clue as to some character issues.

Now when there is war, war does not last between two evils for long. NO; war is between the good and the evil. If two evils fight, it's short, until they realize that they made themselves weaker to their bigger enemy, the good.

Now, if you can prove to me that Assad is good, then I will submit that maybe our leaders are not.

But Assad is not good. And if there is to be a war, I submit that our leaders are in the right. And that the media wants to keep this from happening because removing Assad would be anti-TPTB agenda.

What if... just what if our president is trying to do a right thing for once? What if something snapped and he realized, "Those before me were right. I spent all this time fighting it, and now I know. This has to end now."

But, in all reality, there will be war anyway. It's just a matter of who is going to take the initiative. If you want to wait until our citizens are attacked on our soil again before we do something about it, then you'll all blow up.

You'll say, "They knew the attack was going to happen to us!" but then you all say, "We can't go to war! They didn't do anything to us... yet!"

Which way do you want it guys? You are using too much of your over-sensitive irrational emotions and not using enough of your cognitive functions.

TarzanBeta:

I want you to read this

I already had. Assad was never trained to lead a country, let alone be a dictator, he was trained to be an Optician here in England. His psychology doesn't have the impulses for lethal dictatorship, but those that surround him as advisors will have.

Besides all that, Assad being the goal, is no longer the issue or the problem. Things have shifted, this is now centered on Obama's political and hegemonic requirement for regime change. It is the allies of Assad and their reaction that counts now, nothing more is relevant. There is no argument and no debate, no need for discussion, it comes down to how Putin is going to respond to Obama's threat for regime change in Syria.

It is something we all have to wait on...that is the game at play now. In political terms, the world is poised on world war 3...and that is not hyperbole.

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So do you expect people to predict what Putin will choose to do at this moment then?

You act as if there are only two options; he either steps up or steps back.

I don't think so. It's going to play out a little different.

It's like that weird skit that you see on those classic movies:

you see a hallway with many doors on the right and left. And there are people and animals chasing each other. And they pop out one door, into the one across from the door from which they came, but somehow pop out a door they shouldn't have, because there should not technically be a way...

But there is. Because it's behind the scenes. It's camera work. It's fantasy.

Yippee.

War is inevitable now or later. THAT is the bottom line. Watching this thing unfold like Jersey Shore is kind of silly to me.

Russia is not going to anything. They are still working with NATO to rebuild the Afgan airforce, they are still partering with Isreal try and keep up with Western military tech, they are still in NATOs partener ship for peace, they are still joining NATO for joint execises in the fall, they are still partners with the US on the joint cyber security partnership. For a nation "angry" at the US they sure seem to be avoiding doing anything about it.

You have to remember the situation Russia is in. It was once a global power and has been reduced to barely a regional power. Russian nukes and its seat on the security council are the only things that give it any trappings of a global power. This is why Russia will always be against other nations getting nukes or a missle shield and against any other nations getting on the security council. Putin has to keep Russians distracted from their own problems at home, with the economy, with lack of freedoms, with low morale and desertion in the armed forces, with a broken defense industry and massive corruption. On top of that take a look at what people think of Russia world wide. Global views on Russia and China make the US look well loved. So yes Russia will talk and at the same time do nothing to risk the precious ties it has with the West. Russia knows it only gets to join the G-8 at the USs discrection but, once again it needs that to boost its international standing.

I'm sorry Tarzan, what exactly is your point...specifically?

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I don't know why you're taking offense to what I said. It's just the truth.

You see the point. Why would you want to pretend that you do not?

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As usual, extreme short memory. No, Iraq and Afganistan were not based on lies. Iraq invaded Kwait, set resolutions by UN were ignored 17 times, weapons inspectors kicked out constantly, mustard gas(wmd) used on the Kurds in the north, and chemical stockpiles of weapons sneaked into Syria (sound familiar?) Afganistan was the hotbed of those that destroyed the WTC, with civilians and children in these buildings, but the horror of their children in a war zone (and no one removing them including their parents or leaders) actually setting off explosives are controlled by their elders. I make no issues with anyone unless they are full of something, and you are not even close to the truth.

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I believe this is about the destruction of america - by our own idiot politicians - to hasten in the NWO. obama has been destroying america one day at a time - now he's going for broke, lead by his puppetmasters.

Russia/China is going to nuke us. It'll be kind of funny watching all the rich rappers, business men, hollywood elite and criminal politicians quickly removing themselves from the west coast.

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Hiii elysiumfire,

Just like I said, there would be yet another option that you had not considered.

Usually things don't prove so quickly, but here you go:

Putin 'does not rule out'...

Enjoy.

Originally posted by elysiumfire
TarzanBeta:

I want you to read this

I already had. Assad was never trained to lead a country, let alone be a dictator, he was trained to be an Optician here in England. His psychology doesn't have the impulses for lethal dictatorship, but those that surround him as advisors will have.

Besides all that, Assad being the goal, is no longer the issue or the problem. Things have shifted, this is now centered on Obama's political and hegemonic requirement for regime change. It is the allies of Assad and their reaction that counts now, nothing more is relevant. There is no argument and no debate, no need for discussion, it comes down to how Putin is going to respond to Obama's threat for regime change in Syria.

It is something we all have to wait on...that is the game at play now. In political terms, the world is poised on world war 3...and that is not hyperbole.

edit on 3/9/13 by elysiumfire because: (no reason given)

Where are you from lol. Obviously not in this reality. First off Assad is not the one actually running things. I doubt he even knew they were going to use the chemicals. He is the puppet, the strings are pulled by his uncles and much of the brutality comes from his brother.

The United Nations already voted against chemical weapons by 98% vote. This is already standing agreement and part of that agreement is that action would be taken against who ever uses them. Been a standing agreement, even by Russia, for years now.

So we are past that already. He deserves death for killing over hundred thousand of his people, many who were women and children. So get real and get your head out of the sand, honestly you sound like an employee of Assad lol.

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