America - are you ready for your next Civil War?

reply to post by neformore


If this happens the citizens wouldn't stand a chance. I hate to admit it, but our government is dirty enough to just poison our water supply or use chemical agents on us. As much as I would love to say we stand a chance... fact is we don't. At all.

I do think that the USA is simply too big.

Too big to govern. At this point since we rewrote the states' intent to be a nation-states collective for the minimum points of powerful infrastructure and good intent, as opposed to one gigantic overlord government with states operating merely as line-managers of its higher will, we're now too big to govern properly. 300 million people come down to under a dozen people in black robes with decision; a simple new basic as law has 10,000 pages no politico could ever have time to read; every bill is a chaotic mess of unrelated conglomerate; and decision makers are forced to say yes or no to so much combined unrelated stuff there's no possible way even the best person could be an effective governance source.

Too big to coup. As noted above, 'who' would we coup? A huge number of the common people work for the government or military. The coup already happened from the inside and at the top going way back in time. The time to do something was back in secession days or with the fed. It's too late now.

Too big to break. No amount of protesting or even combat would make a difference given our size. Rile everyone up in any given city and the government will always have more weapons and uniforms to throw at it than we have citizens willing to get themselves imprisoned or killed to accomplish nothing.

Too big to swerve. We've been like the uber-giant tree falling quietly for quite a while now. The momentum is growing and the combination of economics and totalitarianism growing and planned -- clearly this is expected if you look at executive orders -- makes it clear it's just a matter of time.

Too big to save. At this point the amount of change in government necessary is probably impossible, and the amount of change necessary in culture, starting with feeding people real food and educating them decently, would take decades to make a dent in, if it could be done at all, and likely can't, given corporatism.

If there is any consolation from the armchair, perhaps it will be that in a century maybe old Russia will be a land of some chaos but also new hope, much like the USA was 300 years before that. Maybe there is some yin/yang energy balance on earth as a whole.

I recently wrote this fiction novel that turned out post-apocalyptic (although unusually positive as such things go), and I had to wonder, through the middle of writing it, if it was my psychological response to feeling like there was no hope. Like short of geological doom burning it all down and humans having to start over, maybe it just didn't even seem possible to imagine a less horrible solution, because it didn't seem plausible there was any solution at all. That's kind of sad. I wonder if that could be behind the psychology of others and the obsession with doomsday stuff. I know even in personal psychology it's not uncommon that when people are in situations they find untenable yet unchangeable, they often start fantasizing of some great calamity intervening, just to break up the situational-lock.

reply to post by neformore


I can't see a civil war, you have to have opposing sides...unless it's the conservatives and the liberals

They're aren't enough hungry homeless people for a revolt...yet.

It will happen if the media decides that it should.
Most Americans base their views on what the MSM presents as "reality".
In 1992 Los Angeles blew up after the Rodney King verdict was trumpeted by the MSM as police get away with excess brutality.
The right trigger could unleash violence in many places where people have little left to lose (Detroit for instance)

While I feel there's a good chance of it happening I'd be the last person to be happy about it.
I have 4 sons that I want to see live to ripe old ages and have grandchildren of their own.
I think most Americans are willing to fight to save their own should trouble come their way.
If that's "participating" in a civil war then yes, I think most of us would end up in actual fighting to defend our families and homes.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Who wouldn't fight to be free?

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

Who wouldn't fight to be free?

You are more free now then you would be in any type of Civil War.

And who knows what would happen after the war ended.

Originally posted by AlienScience

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
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Who wouldn't fight to be free?

You are more free now then you would be in any type of Civil War.

And who knows what would happen after the war ended.

I have the sneaking suspicion that some will only feel

free when they are the masters over others.

We flat out need a good CIVIL war here. All of our rights are being taken one by one and NO ONE will stand up! What ever happened to "By the people and for the people?" By the time we wake up the RAPE of America will be complete. What have you done to prevent it? Will you fight? Will you die so your your children can be free?

It seems to me, and this a general mood i get from the internet ( because as some posters noted, this isn't specific to the US, this feeling of revolution is brewing in alot of nations ).

But it seems to me that one of the biggest miss-conceptions is that they feel they will rise victorious out of this Revolt.

Which won't be the case. Very well written post OP.

Originally posted by digital01anarchy Almost 99 percent of the time when a poster brings up bush you can tell.

Really? You think it's that simple? Please show me where you got these totally unbiased statistics. I don't like either so I guess I am in the 1%? Whatever.

Originally posted by officerbride
We flat out need a good CIVIL war here. All of our rights are being taken one by one and NO ONE will stand up! What ever happened to "By the people and for the people?" By the time we wake up the RAPE of America will be complete. What have you done to prevent it? Will you fight? Will you die so your your children can be free?

We might ask you the same question. What have you done? Are you going to lead us out of this mess?

But my question is .....how do we know who to fight against? How do we identify them? The Government? The FAA and Forest service is part of the Government and so is the military. You want to take on the military? I don't!!!

reply to post by seeker1963
Order out of chaos...................I feel like a rat in a lab.

reply to post by AlienScience


He don't know me very well do he?
OK You do nothing and you get nothing,I want something so I am prepared to fight for it.

reply to post by cavtrooper7


Aeesone and interesting. I think I may still make a thread and would love if you contributed. I may alsi message yoy sonetime. I think it will be a fun thought exercise/game and I want this film to be as reakistic as possible.

reply to post by neformore


as long as people have food in their bellies and cheap entertainment i wouldn't hold my breathe

I don't see why people are babbling about a new civil war. Usually people who do so, are tea-party members who don't even realize that their being influenced by billionaires, such as the Koch brothers. The tea party and other like-minded groups usually complain about two things: Socialism and taxes. Obviously socialism and taxes are two very bad words to a billionaire such as the Koch brothers who have with out a doubt funded groups such as these. Socialism aims more to have a more equal society, with a little more government control in most cases. And inequality is what makes billionaires even more richer, they can't afford to make the money spread around fairly. And socialism, or any other type of government isn't really "bad." Bad people may use these systems negatively, but overall a simple political system itself isn't bad. People have had it beat into their head that socialism and communism are evil, but in reality they aren't, their are just some evil people who use these systems in the wrong ways. And when it comes to taxes, obviously the powerful people who influence "grass-root" groups don't want higher taxes. But the fact is, they don't care about lower simpler taxes, they just don't want increased corporate taxes, and they want less government control, such as EPA regulations, and other associated regulations from government programs.

Most american's think that their fighting for their own rights, but there's really people behind the curtain pulling the strings with their own underlying agenda.


But going back to the possibility of a civil war, sure the economy in the U.S. is bad, but everywhere pretty much is bad, around half the worlds population is only living on a few dollars a day, but you can't really blame the government for that. The U.S. has been losing quite a bit of its industry in recent years. Mostly because companies seek to take advantage of "developing countries." Plus they can get away with paying foreign workers a much smaller wage than an American worker would expect.

If you look back in post WWII America, we had one of the biggest booms in industry in American history. The reason for this was because Europe was pretty beat up after the war, along with Japan, and Japan is now one of the biggest countries around when it comes to technology, robotics, and auto mobiles, among many other things. Since quite a few countries were basically crippled, the U.S. had the opportunity to become the "big dogs." And for awhile everything was great, but it seems as though we got to comfortable, and these countries starting catching back up to us, and now probably even surpassed us in quite a few corporate aspects.

A staggering amount of Americans today are relying on government programs such as welfare, food stamps, unemployment, etc. I believe about 1 out of 5 Americans today rely on such programs. I personally have had to do so not long ago in the past. Mostly because a lot of Americans are losing jobs, and corporations in America just don't want to pay their workers fairly anymore. They say that were in a ressesion right now, but I guarantee we're actually in a depression. They just don't want to tell us that because they don't want Americans to grow even more upset.

What i'm ultimately trying to say, is that a total civil war wouldn't help. It would just further weaker us, and we would sink even lower than we already are now. It would be chaos, and that's not something that we would need right now at all.

reply to post by Lingweenie


The probalem is that there is no such thing as "a little more"government control. Keeping government minimum is alays best for the people. Ours is waaaaay too big.

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
reply to post by AlienScience

 

He don't know me very well do he?
OK You do nothing and you get nothing,I want something so I am prepared to fight for it.

Besides all your internet bravado and tough talk, you are doing exactly as much as I am doing.

How about you answer some of the questions brought up in this thread.

Who is the enemy? Who are you prepared to go kill to get your "freedoms" back that you have supposedly lost?

Better a civil war than a world war. Left uncheck the american government will conquer the entire middle east while continuing to ignore its own problems. I dont think it will be anything major as many/most are beginning to see the emporer is naked and will eventually go for the proverbial kill shot.

American citizens dont have much to seperate among themselves, but plenty to seperate with the government. We may or may not reach the 2016 national elections, I guess it depends on what ultimately happens with syria and iran.

The short term does not look pretty at all. The international bankers, major politicians and their parties, the big corporations, etc deserve the hate. Collectively I call them the bilderbergers and lets not forget they like to meet in secret each year. Alex Jones has done a reasonably good job covering the topic although his nerves do get the best of him at times and understandably so. Not enough people pay attention and he feels like it is a lost cause preaching to a small audience.

reply to post by neformore

I ask quite simply because when I read the rhetoric on ATS, it appears its coming.

So this is a sarcastic thread? Should I even bother reading the rest...probably not.