SYRIA ... It All Comes Down to Religion and Oil

SYRIA ... it all comes down to religion and oil ... NOT chemical weapons and not national security.

The powers and governments are dealing with oil pipeline issues. Proxy wars have been going on in Syria over the pipelines for years. Saudi Arabia and Qatar have pumped millions upon millions into a proxy war in Syria against Assad over oil/gas pipeline issues. They have failed to win the war so now they want to drag Western powers into it ... the USA mainly, but also the UK and France etc.

Meanwhile, the religious fanatics over there are seeing a Muslim vs Muslim war raging. They aren't seeing the gas and pipelines, they are seeing their own version of Islam 'under attack'. So naturally the different Muslim sides go about slaughtering each other in the name of their god.

The powers use these people so attached to their version of Islam to do the fighting for their geo-political reasons in regard to these oil/gas pipelines. They inflame those already saturated with the 'my Islam is right and yours is wrong so you should die' mantra. This makes a ready made army of people willing to die for their 'cause', when in fact they are dying for oil and gas pipelines and political fighting between all the players over there (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Russia and even China by extension).

It's all about oil pipelines and oil independence and dependence.
It's all about religious fanaticism and blindness.
NONE of this has anything to do with America's security or financial stability.

Qatar Seeks oil Pipeline To Turkey

It is not difficult to notice that the rebellion in Syria began to grow two years ago, almost at the same time as the signing of a memorandum in Bushehr on June 25, 2011 regarding the construction of a new Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline...

Syria - The Path of the Pipeline

This new pipeline would take a "land" which starts of Qatar, through Saudi territory and Jordanian territory avoiding Iraqi territory to arrive in Syria and specifically to Homs. From Homs pipeline would branch off into three directions: Latakia on the Syrian coast, Tripoli in northern Lebanon, Turkey.

The main goal of this project is to route the Israeli and Qatari gas to the European continent for distribution throughout Europe, with a threefold objective. The first: break the Russian gas monopoly in Europe. The second: to liberate Turkey from its dependence on Iranian gas. The third: give Israel a chance to export its gas to Europe by land and cost.

Geopolitics of Gas and the Syrian Crisis

These strategic concerns, motivated by fear of expanding Iranian influence, impacted Syria primarily in relation to pipeline geopolitics. In 2009 - the same year former French foreign minister Dumas alleges the British began planning operations in Syria - Assad refused to sign a proposed agreement with Qatar that would run a pipeline from the latter's North field, contiguous with Iran's South Pars field, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey, with a view to supply European markets - albeit crucially bypassing Russia. Assad's rationale was "to protect the interests of [his] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."

Instead, the following year, Assad pursued negotiations for an alternative $10 billion pipeline plan with Iran, across Iraq to Syria, that would also potentially allow Iran to supply gas to Europe from its South Pars field shared with Qatar. The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the project was signed in July 2012 - just as Syria's civil war was spreading to Damascus and Aleppo - and earlier this year Iraq signed a framework agreement for construction of the gas pipelines.

The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.

AND the religion aspect ... Muslim hating on Muslim ...

NY Times - One Giant Big War

“It has become clear over the last year that the upheavals in the Islamic and Arab world have become a clash within a civilization rather than a clash between civilizations,” Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies wrote recently. “The Sunni versus Alawite civil war in Syria is increasingly interacting with the Sunni versus Shiite tensions in the Gulf that are edging Iraq back toward civil war. They also interact with the Sunni-Shiite, Maronite and other confessional struggles in Lebanon.”

Some experts even say that we are seeing the emergence of a single big conflict that could be part of a generation-long devolution, which could end up toppling regimes and redrawing the national borders that were established after World War I. The forces ripping people into polarized groups seem stronger than the forces bringing them together.

Sunni vs Shia Jihad in Syria

Today, however, the battle in Syria is clearly split along religious lines. It is no longer about freedom versus dictatorship, but about Sunni versus Shia. According to Syria’s constitution, “freedom of religion is guaranteed” and “the State respects all religions.” But, as I wrote at the end of 2011, there has been an opportunistic use of religion by the Syrian regime: “Assad has already tried to delegitimise the protesters as Islamist extremists in a bid to garner the support of Syrian liberals and Christians. He is now trying to revive a form of state-backed Islam to defeat the Muslim Brotherhood.”

Almost two years since the article was published, the situation has worsened and religion now takes centre stage. On April 7th, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood’s top cleric, gave an interview to Al Jazeera and declared, “The jihad in Syria is now a personal duty incumbent upon all Muslims.” Last year, in early June, he repeated his call for jihad with added vigour: “Iran is pushing ahead with arms and men, so why do we stand idle?” He also pointed to Hezbollah: “The leader of the party of Satan comes to fight the Sunnis. Now we know what the Iranians want. They want to continue massacring Sunnis”.

The Guardian - Syrian War Widens Sunni-Shia Schism as Foreign Jihadists Join Fight

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reply to post by FlyersFan


SLAM (sound of nail being hit on the head).

This is what its really all about folks.

On the nose. This has always been about a pipeline through Iraq and Syria carrying gas from Iran which could be sold to Europe. Crown Prince Bander of Saudi tried to woo the Russians to put a stop to it but Putin refused.
According to the article in the Guardian The Prince then said that whatever Regime takes over Syria will be under Saudi control. So there we have it. In fact do we know if ther Saudi's have chemical weapons which they supplied to their rebel fighters?

We now know why Cameron was all for punishing Assad but U turned simply because he knew the Guardian was going to publish and his collusion with Saudi would show up. What is worse is that a French diplomat tried to warn people about this British involvement in Syria a few years go and no one listened. Its the same as Libya all over again and that's probably now an Al Quaida spawning ground.

Regarding chemical weapons though, was it not the Brits who supplied Sadam with Chemical weapons for use against Iran? Yet now we take the moral high ground. Politics stink all the way to hell.

How come no one is shouting about ethnic/religious cleansing or is that Okeydokey?

After this nasty horror has worked its way out and Syria is nothing but a refuge tip with little or no infrastructure left, where will the millions of refugees go?

Egypt, regime change.
Libya, regime change
Burma and now Syria
Blame a pipeline or what ever but something else is going on.
I am not sure but would be interested in others opinions.

Not just gas and religion thats for sure

reply to post by borntowatch

New World Order shuffling of those in charge ... Bildeberg involvement .. but it comes back to economics and the major economics of that area is gas and oil. The pipelines are major in all this.

The Middle East Explained in One Terrifying Chart - Washington Post
Interesting. Not complete. But still ... gets the point across.

This thread is not getting the attention it deserves.

Bump.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You are so right, and for the ones asleep and caught in the propaganda, they will never believe our Government is about greed and not the people.

They mask it with religion and the poor people of Syria, but we know better. They could give a rats a$$ about people and their safety.

The only way I see us getting out of this hell is for there to be a natural disaster, one they do not orchestrate that is.

Originally posted by MamaJ
The only way I see us getting out of this hell is for there to be a natural disaster, one they do not orchestrate that is.

Well .. there is HAARP .... and it wouldn't take much to set off some underwater earthquakes to send a massive tidal wave into Syria ... and Syria is on earthquake fault lines ... hmmmm ....

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The only way I see us getting out of this hell is for there to be a natural disaster, one they do not orchestrate that is.

what exactly do you mean by wishing for a natural disaster? And where? In Syria or USA?

reply to post by borntowatch
Putting it simply: it's a war against Islam. They can't say this, but Islam's intention has always been to take over the world - so is Judaism's. Islam is more upfront about it and Judaism / Freemasonry is more into subversive methods.

Originally posted by Robert Reynolds
reply to post by borntowatch

 

Putting it simply: it's a war against Islam. They can't say this, but Islam's intention has always been to take over the world - so is Judaism's. Islam is more upfront about it and Judaism / Freemasonry is more into subversive methods.

No, it isn't. Its a war of one axis of powers supporting one sect of islam against the other. It also guarantees a particular oil and gas revenue stream for certain interested parties.

Originally posted by Robert Reynolds
Putting it simply: it's a war against Islam.

Well ... Islam is at war with anything that isn't Islam. That's for sure. But Islam is also at war with itself. The different groups within Islam all butchering each other because they think the other Islamic group isn't the right kind of Muslim. So all that is in play. AND the oil/gas pipelines in the Islamic countries of Qatar and Saudi Arabia and Iran and Syria are all in play here.

This isn't the West at war against Islam ... it's Islam at war with everyone AND it's Muslim run oil pipeline owners at war with other Muslims ... a business thing ...

That's what I'm getting from the info ...

reply to post by FlyersFan


While oil is the easy, knee jerk option, religion will immediately spark denial as no one wants to come out and say we are in a religious war.. No matter what the signs indicate

Question Flyer,

Is it more oil or more religion in your opinion? I mean the REAL underlying reasons..

Originally posted by semperfortis
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

While oil is the easy, knee jerk option, religion will immediately spark denial as no one wants to come out and say we are in a religious war.. No matter what the signs indicate

Question Flyer,

Is it more oil or more religion in your opinion? I mean the REAL underlying reasons..

That depends what faction you are talking about. Its a confluence of interests as all these things are:

- For the original FSA it was about reform of the country and making it less dictatorial
- For the west its about the oil/gas.
-For House of Saud and the Qatari's its about profit and religion. If Assad falls it weakens thier long time rival Iran.
- Israel wants Hezbollah to get eviscerated as it strengthens them, also it sets Iran up for later.
- The Sunni Jihadis (Al Qaeda) want to kill the Shia because its gods work.
- The mercs want to get paid

- The Assad regime wants to keep power
- The Alawites, Christians and other minorities don't want to have their heads cut off by the Al Qaeda
- Russia wants to keep its client
- Iran wants to keep its shia ally and be allowed to build its pipeline to Europe through Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.
- Hezbollah wants to save its patron.

Hope this clarifies.

Originally posted by semperfortis
Is it more oil or more religion in your opinion? I mean the REAL underlying reasons..

It's the oil pipelines and economics for the people 'at the top' and the educated.
It's religion for the common peasant.

I know that it's a tired old statement to say 'it's all about the oil' ...
But this is different than that. It's about gas and oil PIPELINES and RELIGION.

Both are in play equally and they are entwined ... even though the religious peasants think it's all 'the west is at war with Islam' .. even though that's not the case. It's muslims at war with other muslims but claiming the west is at war with them in order to gain 'troops'.

IMHO.

reply to post by FlyersFan

Not just religion and oil.

Since Bush, Israel has been demanding that the US continue to attack the ME.

Why should they have to die when the US government is more than happy to send us:

Polls: Israelis want US, Europe to attack Syria, but against IDF intervention.

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION -

Saudi Prince Bandar Bin Sultan Using USA to Topple Assad

"However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack."

Who Benefits from a US War with Syria?

If a full-blown war erupts between the United States and Syria, it will not be good for the United States, it will not be good for Israel, it will not be good for Syria, it will not be good for Iran and it will not be good for Hezbollah. The party that stands to benefit the most is Saudi Arabia, and they won't even be doing any of the fighting. They have been pouring billions of dollars into the conflict in Syria, but so far they have not been successful in their attempts to overthrow the Assad regime. Now the Saudis are trying to play their trump card - the U.S. military. If the Saudis are successful, they will get to pit the two greatest long-term strategic enemies of Sunni Islam against each other - the U.S. and Israel on one side and Shia Islam on the other. In such a scenario, the more damage that both sides do to each other the happier the Sunnis will be.

Someone should ask Barack Obama why it is necessary for the U.S. military to do the dirty work of his Sunni Muslim friends[/b ]. Obama is promising that the upcoming attack will only be a "limited military strike" and that we will not be getting into a full-blown war with Syria. The only way that will work is if Syria, Hezbollah and Iran all sit on their hands and do nothing to respond to the upcoming U.S. attack

Is the Arab Spring or what's going on in Syria just about freedom? I think it's a combination of that and the things Flyer mentions: religion and economic means to preserve or usher in wealth.

But what about the rising cost of grains that might have acted as an invisible hand in the Arab Spring? Flyer pointed out that the poor population tends to turn to religion more because they don't get access to what the rich have. Perhaps the rising cost of living caused a greater religious urgency? If somebody can't afford to live and/or they can't find work, they'll need an alternative. Even in the US when we were experiencing the worst of hte recession, there was talk of protests and the 99 percenter movement.

However, the increase in grain prices (or the cost of living in general) can only amplify something already existing, so it's not a sole explanation for what's going on, just a contributor.

Now on to the religious/sectarian factor...

It seems that the sunni and shiite conflict goes back at least a thousand years and is not new. Most of the world's muslims are sunni. I've read that sunni are possibly more moderate. I heard a general on tv recenlty say that the bulk of the syrian rebels are moderate. I also know they're mostly sunni.

Not to excuse Saddam, but his regime was primarily sunni-friendly. Iran, ofc, is shiite dominated. During the 80's Saddam essentially entered into a war against Iran - shiites by proxy. The chemical attacks Saddam used were principally against the shiite in a time of crisis and uncertainty. So anytime we judge Saddam we must consider this religious/sectarian aspect and not just look at him as a dictator alone. There's no excuse for genocide or dictatorship, but it's not a one-dimensional sort of thing, either.

I've read that the ruling authority in Syria is a shiite minority whereas there's a sunni majority in Syria. This could also be another source of the conflict in Syria as opposed to it being foreign-born.

There's tons of evidence though that there's foreign support for the rebels in the form of information and money and persons coming from places like Saudi Arabia and Qatar and Turkey and maybe others. It's not surprising that the supporters are primarily sunni-dominated since hte rebels are mostly sunni. Even the US has admitted to supplying information and possibly training (in recent months).

I'm coming to more think this is about shiite-sunni tension and the pipeline business than it's purely a matter of a syrian dictator killing dissent. However, Assad, just as Saddam, HAS murdered innocent people. I don't think there's any way to look at Assad and come away without wanting to bring justice down on him. Then again, all these other things complicate the emotional reaction to Assad's actions.

Look at it this way... the moment a thousand people can die, along with woman and children and peaceful people, and we can all sit back and be academic about it and shrug it off, is the moment justice dies.

But if we're going to worry about 1000 people dying in Syria then we have to worry about 1000 people dying somewhere else too. There's a lot of of wrongdoing on earth. Can we police earth? And is the military the proper tool to police it? Or maybe it's just the only tool appropriate for the job right now...

We should do something. If Assad is guilty, justice should be called upon. And no matter what we do, I have to assume somebody will exploit it. Somebody always does. The question is whether we're willing to make sacrifices to bring justice to regimes like Assad's. Or are we just talkers?

reply to post by FlyersFan


Of course all the "Christian" radical religious types have just disappeared here..

This is all about CHRISTIAN interests and beliefs in Anti-Christs and the likes...as well as gathering money and scaring the churches to send some more.

I see you left out your own group, which has more sects and more in-fighting than Islam could hold a candle too...