Venus Species vs. Orion Species

Originally posted by RedCairo
I am not big on channeled stuff, although I felt Jane Roberts as Seth singlehandedly redeemed the genre, which is one of those things where at least 98% of the population is giving the other 2% a bad name.

I get a little confused by the whole they-came-from-planet-X thing. I think it makes me feel kind of like reading book I of the Urantia book did (another channeled work, and not in the 2% IMO though I'm sure many would disagree). Like, what's the point? By which I mean:

As anything from psychology to cosmology, from philosophy to esoteria, I often find the 'topical matter' of such things to be at least vaguely interesting. But I don't find the details interesting. To me it's like how history is taught in school, where instead of understanding why things happened as they did, they make you memorize a bunch of names and dates. The stuff that gets into all the "administrative bureaucracy" of various planets, heirarchies and so on, is more like focusing on the messenger or the detail to me, and seems, at best, kind of distractive.u

Then people can have arguments about life on Venus instead of maybe discussing the underlying intent which was that perhaps there are different intelligences besides ours and perhaps some are benevolent toward us and some aren't.

edit on 1-9-2013 by RedCairo because: the aliens wrecked my spelling

For me channeling just does not make sense and hearkens back to when there was a Charlotte or psychic on every corner in America. Been much study but never scientifically proven. My belief is if aliens are that old and tech advanced they would not need to channel to give their message.

Hell, it would make more sense to just take over the radio waves or send signal through our television network. I mean seriously, we think they are not intelligent enough to understand sending information through a channeler would be viewed as not legit by the majority of the human population. I give them more credit and intelligence than that.

The Bot

Well that assumes that aliens are "space aliens" and otherwise just like us, which is kind of cute, but may not be the only option.

Our biological perception that we call 'reality' is a miniscule little piece of frequency. Not to mention our duty cycle, to put it one way, is just one beat-pattern. There is room for a whole lot of other 'stuff' around and even through what we know now, none of which would necessarily need to use the radio, but many of which might (who knows) be able to use 'rapport.'

reply to post by sled735


I have spend an hour or so now, reading through the Law of One.
And to me it seems (from the point of view of Ra) that none are "bad guys" or "good guys" all serves and all are who Ra calls "The infinite creator"/"The One" etc.

As far as I understand every road and action leads the one infinite creator. Be it the path on the left or the right side of you.

If you believe in the Law of One, than illusions such as good and evil are holding you back.
At least thats how I have understood it, after a brief read.

Originally posted by ampetti
I'm not saying I believe there is life on Venus or any other planet in our solar system, But what proof do we have of conditions on these planets? Have any of you been there or have sent your own probes there? I think not, the only proof we have is what NASA or the PTB have told us and you now how honest they have been with us. Think about it, if they new there was life on other planets in our own solar system, they would never tell us, and would make up un hospitable conditions on those planets to keep us from asking questions. This was actually confirmed by John Lear , for whatever that's worth.

Not so! We can verify at least some of the properties of extra-planetary objects, provided they are close enough. Any one of us can drive right down to good ole Wal-Mart and purchase a cheap telescope; perhaps not the best of astronomical instruments, but, with only a little more technology you can have analysis equipment approximately to what was used in the 1960's. That extra tech? Your phone and your PC.

With that you can verify that Venus is far too hot to support life as it is known on Earth, and, thus no advanced life. Hence, no dude from Venus sayin' any thin about nothin'. I hope that's understood. There is no message from inhabitants from Venus.

Also, it is very likely that it would be rather easy to prove that Ra, Seth, and all of the other "channeled" entities are all false. Course that would also likely required data we don't have, and can't get, so it really is sort of a moot point.

Thanks OP bookmarking for further reading. Only vaguely caught this material before, gives me a chance to review and find more on it. Sad how the UFO forum and others are a troll haven, not your fault!

Originally posted by dreamingawake
Thanks OP bookmarking for further reading. Sad how the UFO forums are troll haven, not your fault!

Yes, sad isn't it that there are people who insist on those pesky things called 'facts'.

My problem with the Venus species is that there wouldn't be a Venus species.

Sure there are some microscopic bacteria in places that would be unlikely to have no life, such hot springs, or space probes carrying some form of life. Even meteorites where bacteria lays dormant till it is alive again, in the supposed theory of life on Earth.

However, Venus is not only close to the Sun which makes hot, it also a giant ocean of acids for it surface that dissolve any sort of life, even it was microscopic.

Makes it really hard to believe.

Here y'all; some of what life on Venus ight be like (these are from right here on Earth).
Extreme Life

While these guys are for real, I don't think any will be telling any of us much for the next several million years, if ever. On the other hand it does show that life is not confined to just us bozo two legged creatures that think we know so bloody much.

reply to post by tanka418

On the other hand it does show that life is not confined to just us bozo two legged creatures that think we know so bloody much.

Yes, there are also cats, dogs, zebras, dolphins, carp, bluebird, spiders, salamanders, trees, grass......

Originally posted by Specimen
My problem with the Venus species is that there wouldn't be a Venus species.

Sure there are some microscopic bacteria in places that would be unlikely to have no life, such hot springs, or space probes carrying some form of life. Even meteorites where bacteria lays dormant till it is alive again, in the supposed theory of life on Earth.

However, Venus is not only close to the Sun which makes hot, it also a giant ocean of acids for it surface that dissolve any sort of life, even it was microscopic.

Actually the distance from the sun has little to do with the heat. The fact the atmosphere is 98% carbon dioxide has everything. Under normal conditions it would be about 54c average, but with the atmosphere it is 450+C or hotter than the temperature to melt lead.

You are right in the temperature is just one part, the other is the extreme acid base in the atmosphere and the surface pressure would be equal to about 3000 feet under our ocean.

I would love to see what kind of life would come out of that mix, but most likely not 6 foot female Venus warriors...hehe

Originally posted by tanka418
While these guys are for real, I don't think any will be telling any of us much for the next several million years, if ever. On the other hand it does show that life is not confined to just us bozo two legged creatures that think we know so bloody much.

Life in general seems to happen as part of our universe, and under the right conditions it is hard to stop. On the other hand species come and go all the time ,and the more advance life becomes the more fragile to its environment it becomes too. There are many factors as to why advance life is capable on earth and removing anyone of those factors it would not be here except in a much more simpler form.

All advance life on the earth today started just 400 million years ago as simple life forms after the last snowball earth. This is the reason why life in general is very similar, and why all of it shares like DNA. So when we talk about advance life it is a rather narrow band of conditions for it to happen.

www.llresearch.org...
Page 98

Questioner: How did you journey from Venus to this planet?

Ra: I am Ra. We used thought.

Questioner: Would it have been possible to have taken one of the people of this planet at that time and placed him on Venus? Would he have survived? Were conditions on Venus hospitable?

Ra: I am Ra. The third-density conditions are not hospitable to the life- forms of your peoples. The fifth and sixth dimensions of that planetary sphere are quite conducive to growing/learning/teaching.

Questioner: How were you able to make the transition from Venus? Did you have to change your dimension to walk upon the Earth?

Ra: I am Ra. You will remember the exercise of the wind. The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into unity, for there is no nothingness. From the sixth dimension, we are capable of manipulating, by thought, the intelligent infinity present in each particle of light or distorted light so that we were able to clothe ourselves in a replica visible in the third density of our mind/body/spirit complexes in the sixth density. We were allowed this experiment by the Council which guards this planet.

Why would anyone assume that all life forms would have to be like humans?
That's the same as life elsewhere saying humans don't exist because we couldn't survive on their planet.
We need oxygen and water, among other things.
Apparently their makeup is different than ours.

This is highly speculative and close to fiction if not pure fiction but I have my open mind even for that:

I think there are enough clues of humans being rather modified apes than changed by natural evolution, more specifically I am talking about the human mind and how much it differs from animals - but because we still have animal instinct, it is definitely mixed with that of animals, however, is still something ... like a product not part of just evolution.

And from that point, who created us? The story of Lemuria and Atlantis has fascinated me, Mars is in fact considered to be the old planet of Lemurians before they left it to join and mix with the Atlanteans.

Then this story of RA and about beings reminds me of 'Rosewell, the alien interview' which talks about such things... and the Old Empire...

So all these are names for the same or it's a mish mash? Orion species are from the Old Empire.

reply to post by ImpactoR


Thank you for at least having an open mind.
I haven't seen the Roswell Interview to give an educated comment on your question.

The story of Lemuria and Atlantis is also discussed in The Law of One.
I don't have time to look it up, but it is after page 100, if you would like to read about it.
I have to get ready for work now.

reply to post by sled735


Why is it no one ever asks the people that are in contact with other life forms more specific questions?

"Exactly which stars in Orion's constellation are you from?"

"What is the spectral classification of your home world star?"

"What is the diameter, density, mass, period of rotation, orbital period of your home planet?"

"What is the atmospheric make up of your home planet?"

"Exactly how long ago did you leave Venus?"

"What happened to Venus?"

"Are there other life forms on Venus today?"

"Were their other life forms on Venus when you were there?"

"Exactly what was the axial tilt of Venus when you were there?"

I'd love to see some actual science questions put to these contacts, instead of the "Trust Me. I'm An Alien Contactee Because I Say So."

Factual questions with answers would go a long ways with people.

Life on venus now i have heard everything

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by dreamingawake
Thanks OP bookmarking for further reading. Sad how the UFO forums are troll haven, not your fault!

Yes, sad isn't it that there are people who insist on those pesky things called 'facts'.

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Hey, it's right there at the top of every page in the Aliens/UFO forum. This is what the owners of ATS decided on, not I. Unfortunately, the moderators have somewhat lost sight of these rules, but you can still read them for yourselves.

reply to post by Xtrozero


Well, if there are plasma life forms, then Venus might be ideal.

Possibly such creatures could create carbon based forms to interact on Earth.

Anything is possible.

reply to post by eriktheawful


Have you read all the books?

I think most of your questions can be answered there.

reply to post by greavsie1971


Edgar casey has been right about a lot of stuff. He even believed in the RA entity and the ability to ascend into high dimensions.